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[Vitrea]

It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure. I am seeking some last minute info from senior members regarding my plans. Especially 1) constructive criticism ie ways of improving my plans 2) to identify any pitfalls I have not seen and similar. BACKGROUND; ; my initial plan A was to centre 3 days around oase wed-sat and then on Monday to depart onto cologne via ice train and then hit aca or samya on Tuesday flying home from frankfurt on wed. I am taking the 50min train trip from koln to frank. Airport on wed morning. My flights are fixed in / out Frankfurt. I have done many trips to Hessen and visited OASE6 times so far from england. I have only visited artemis once back in 2008 and loved it. I am not searching new clubs because I think there is any higher chance of having a better selection in one place or another but purely because I love the buzz of being in a new or more or less new place ie here artemis as I do believe each club is in its own right a distinctly different experience and I want to redo artemis so to say. I have come up with a new plan B and it is this that I am seeking feedback on in the nature stated above from senior members. Although I have good experience of germany to now it is nowhere on the level of the senior posters here. Here is plan B; arrive into frankfurt wed and spend whole day at oase. Thurs-sleep / rest at mercure hotel. Fri-take morning ice train to berlin hotel near artemis already booked. Fri-sat two full days at artemis. Sun-sleep / rest berlin hotel. Mon-take ice train (all train tickets booked) from berlin to cologne. 4 hour train journey. Tue hit full day samya. Wed quick hop back from cologne to frank. Airport back home to england. As stated all tickets booked and a small loss has been made on hotel in frankfurt which was booked for 5 nights so I loose 3 nights. I have gone over this plan a hundred times and cannot see anything wrong especially as it will give me the chance to experience oase / artemis and an nrw club all within one week as I do not get to come out to germany very often. Thanks for all help. (as for berlin cologne frank-berlin also is a 4 hour journey)

Great plan but I would rent a car.

[Erectus]

Tue hit full day samya.

Why Samya rather than Bernd's?

[Capt Dan]

Let me ask a trick question: Is the contract sealed if you have your tongue in her pussy.

It depends Nille Copenhagen how long you are licking her labia for!

You could tell her that you were checking for lost coins I suppose

CD

[Capt Dan]

No, as far as I am concerned, the clock starts only once I'm in the room. Reason is simple: I sometimes have to wait for 10-15mn if not more before a room is available. In the summer, I sometimes ask the girl to go and take a shower after the interview and before going to the room, and I take one myself too (yes, even with a hard on, who cares.).

On the other hand, I never abuse on the interview time and services.

Jim

This is correct GrandJim according to my understanding; if you have to wait for a room, the timer does not start until you are actually in the room!
An agreement was made by both parties and a room was an essential part of that deal.

CD

[Capt Dan]

Continued from FKK Oase thread

LOL Champ Lover. I think that we are possibly discussing the matter of when 'the deal' (between the lady and her Icebear) actually commences at cross purposes with one another. This is undoubtedly the fault of my Irish sense of humour. I suspect that you are someone very familiar with the FKK / Sauna club world and possibly someone who is known on other non-English language FKK Boards? Consequently I doubt very much that I am teaching you anything new.

As we both know it is seldom the case that the timer starts without the full knowledge of both parties, be that at the bar or in the kino. The timer can start in the kino and a decision subsequently made after 10 minutes or so to find a room. In this case the timer has started prior to going to the room. If you happen upon a hooker in the kino and indulge in some light sexual play (kissing and fondling) whilst in the process of discussing and making a deal; then it may be possible to back out of the process provided that you have not given full consent or agreed terms and also provided you have not felt her up for 20 minutes

The main point that I am endeavouring (probably badly) to get across is that it is very difficult to accidentally make an arrangement with one of the working girls. Generally speaking a verbal agreement is always made (by both parties) and then the action commences.

I wish you good times.

CD

[Capt Dan]

Good luck with the trip Mohab.
All the travelling around by train (from city to city and from club to club) would not be for me!
But everyone is different (which is a good thing) and I hope you have a most enjoyable time

CD

[Nille Copenhagen]

It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure.

Good luck with you decide to do, no advise or comment from here.

I'll be at Palace or Oase on Friday.

[Member #4243]

It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure. I am seeking some last minute info from senior members regarding my plans. Especially 1) constructive criticism ie ways of improving my plans 2) to identify any pitfalls I have not seen and similar. BACKGROUND; ; my initial plan A was to centre 3 days around oase wed-sat and then on Monday to depart onto cologne via ice train and then hit aca or samya on Tuesday flying home from frankfurt on wed. I am taking the 50min train trip from koln to frank. Airport on wed morning. My flights are fixed in / out Frankfurt. I have done many trips to Hessen and visited OASE6 times so far from england. I have only visited artemis once back in 2008 and loved it. I am not searching new clubs because I think there is any higher chance of having a better selection in one place or another but purely because I love the buzz of being in a new or more or less new place ie here artemis as I do believe each club is in its own right a distinctly different experience and I want to redo artemis so to say. I have come up with a new plan B and it is this that I am seeking feedback on in the nature stated above from senior members. Although I have good experience of germany to now it is nowhere on the level of the senior posters here. Here is plan B; arrive into frankfurt wed and spend whole day at oase. Thurs-sleep / rest at mercure hotel. Fri-take morning ice train to berlin hotel near artemis already booked. Fri-sat two full days at artemis. Sun-sleep / rest berlin hotel. Mon-take ice train (all train tickets booked) from berlin to cologne. 4 hour train journey. Tue hit full day samya. Wed quick hop back from cologne to frank. Airport back home to england. As stated all tickets booked and a small loss has been made on hotel in frankfurt which was booked for 5 nights so I loose 3 nights. I have gone over this plan a hundred times and cannot see anything wrong especially as it will give me the chance to experience oase / artemis and an nrw club all within one week as I do not get to come out to germany very often. Thanks for all help. (as for berlin cologne frank-berlin also is a 4 hour journey)

[Mer Zues]

Thank you for the welcome CD. Appreciate it.

[Capt Dan]

Hey guys!. I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. Happy hunting.

Welcome Mer Zues to our little piece of ISG heaven that is Germany FKK Clubs
I hope that this forum will be of assistance with the planning of your next adventure and that when the time is correct you have a very pleasant visit to FKK-Land.
Do report back on the details of your trip. Welcome again!

CD

[Mer Zues]

Hey guys!

I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. My experiences in punting is limited compared to the most of the guys here and I have not been active for years. I did not know much about FKK clubs, so I spent a lot of time in the last few days going thru the different threads. So many great posts and so much info.

I have decided to make a trip to Frankfurt in the near future, could be as soon as end of March or pushed to sometime in the May. I am trying to convince one of my friends to make the trip with me but no luck so far. The Oase club is the only item on my "Have To Do" list but I am still reading and searching so that list should grow by the time I make it to Germany. I promise to do a full report about my visit.

Happy hunting.

[Hessen Bub]

Girls in the clubs are self-employed. They pay entrance as the men also do. The club provides facilities, food,"the stage", but does not pay the girls or get a commission on what they make. It is OK for the club to give some restrictions or guidelines for the girls, as there is general pricing, maybe service, maybe working hours. It's a thin lone between what is legal or illegal. When finance authorities are questioning girls at the clubs, they try to find out how far these regulations go and in they are in line with the law. If not. The tax liability may move from the giros towards the club, that is if they were employed by the club. Which they actually can't be because ot he prostitution laws in Germany.

Girls can basically work at every club. The club has the "Hausrecht", same as every restaurant, discotheque, hotel. They can decide who to let in or not (male or female) without having to give a reason. Some clubs require more paperwork than others, this may keep some girls from going there. Some girls have managers / friends / husbands who tell them where to go. And Mauro at Oase is trying to keep girls in his club by not letting them work at Oase if he hears they were at another club. Which is morr than stupid.

As always this subject is more grey than black or white.

HB

[Capt Dan]

That is just the appearance they want to exude, to bypass the anti-pimping laws. There is definitely a relationship, but in the (dim) eyes of the law there is not. The entrance fee paid by the girls also gives the appearance they are all independent providers (or just 'die weibliche Gäste'). In reality, this is just the surplus value the owner of a factory would extract from any worker. That said, the FKK model is a very clever 'fetish construct', and many of the girls are indeed more independent than workers at regular jobs. For example, the cut the club extracts from the girl is not percentage-based. Although sucks if she got no clients that day, since she may also work for 'someone else'.

If you're curious about these details, just read the World thread.

Your understanding Occultus of the relationship between the working girls and the clubs is very much in line with my own and anyone who thinks that the girls are completely self-employed free agents, able to move to any club whenever it takes their fancy is guilty of extreme naivety. Free movement of labour is not something that the clubs really encourage. So even without "management" the girls operate with somewhat restricted inter-club movement. Some girls do have "management" who ensure that the girls keep working in any particular club until the "Manager" decides it is time to move on. You don't often see these "managers" in the clubs as their overt presence in sometimes unwelcome (depending on the club) but they will often collect the girls at the end of the night. Some clubs such as FKK World will allow the "managers" entry.

CD

[Super Cum 500]

I want to go To Oase / palace. But the girls are naked most days expcet lingerie day. I'd rather see them all naked but I like to take of girls pants.

Is it possible in the rooms I can get them to put pants on then I can slowly take them off?

If lingerie day do you undress them in room?

I'd prefer to go non lingerie day to see all the pussy but I do liek to take girls pants off.

[Vitrea]

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2) vitrea I am fascinated to find out why GT in vienna is your favourite club. I considered vienna as an alternative to my coming trip but on speaking to an american friend at oase he told me the girls are not as pretty as in the big frankfurt clubs and that the facilities are very basic by comparison also. I would visit vienna for vienna alone but would appreciate your feedback on GT.

Thanks

There are several reasons I like GT but the number one reason is that the girls are generally younger, cuter (may not be more beautiful) and more girls with natural tits (as a percentage of the total). The place is also intimate. There are several "intimate" FKKs in Germany but I think GT in Vienna has better quality than most of the smaller clubs in Germany. Of course I have not been to many of them so that is a caveat.

Vienna is also a better city for sightseeing, restaurants, escorts, Massage places and "high-end" places like Babylon (If somebody is into it). Of course Berlin is an awesome city as well and has all these as well but I like GT slightly better than Artemis. GT has some competition from Fun Palast (which is a good thing) but Artemis has no competition in the area. For me Artemis was hit and miss. (three visits).

Having said all that, I have been to GT only a total of 6 days in three different seasons.

Facilities: For me showers, robes and a steam room is important (this is missing in GT). Food is not. BTW, I almost always take a break, leave go outside eat at a Turkish or Austrian restaurant and come back. I do that even at Palace. The other FKKs are too far from town to go out and come back.