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[Mursenary]

Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/a...ry=NLD~USA~IRL.

For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.

Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).

Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:

Ah missed your 1980/6% detail regarding Hispanic Americans. That seems much more believable.

I do recognize the leaps of the Dutch height. My contention remains however: the American height numbers. The gap seems to be most heavily weighted by the rising Dutch height compared to a lesser increasing average American height. Contention remains with the genetic diversity element.

I think the weight on the 20 year gap for birth year to the year where manifestation of height differences is relevant is a bit faulty. Remember, immigrants more often come as grown adults. There will be immediate impact on averages then further effects when the immigrants have children. I think the mid 1960's was the decade that America repealed many exclusion acts related immigration and nation of origin. That was the decade Pacific islanders and southeast Asians came in mass. Similar repeals were granted to poor African nations and subsequently middle eastern countries.

https://www.history.com/news/immigra...t-1965-changes

As far as the excluding Hispanics / Asians artie, I want to point out the distinction of the classification of white Americans. Of the 5 foot 10 white-black American average, Southern Europeans are included, Middle Easterners are included, and perhaps East Indians are included. Would there not still be an expected skewed immigrant influence on the height gap considering that immigration to NL still lags behind Americans? I alluded briefly, but nation of origin matters and white in America is a much larger mix than Northern Euro / Dutch.

[McAdonis]

1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.

Between 1820 and 1860, there was an almost 3 cm decrease in height for American men. Between 1830 and 1840, Ireland lost almost 8 cm of height. Keep in mind these are all birth years. So the wave of short Irish immigrants would have trickled to American shores in the 1850's. Ofc, I am simply making the assumption that during that period when travel was more strenuous, only able-bodied would elect to make the journey: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/a...ry=NLD~USA~IRL.

2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.

For most of the 20th century, Dutch were only 1-2 cm taller than Americans. But since the mid-1970's, Dutch have been about 5 cm taller than Americans. That height gap has remained at about 5 cm over the last 50 years, despite the fact that both Latino and Asian populations have tripled.

Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.

Between 1970 and 1980 (birth year 1950 and 1960) is when the Dutch first increased their lead in the "height race". This happened on the White and Black American's watch, because in 1980, Latinos only made up 6 percent of the population (almost 19 percent in 2020).

Anthropometric historian excludes Hispanic-and-Asian-Americans from his studies, and still found American men to be 2 inches shorter than their American counterparts:

Based on white and black U.S.-born adults, the average American woman is 5 feet 5 inches tall, and the average American man is 5 feet 10 inches tall. Asians and Hispanics, who would make Americans appear even shorter, are excluded to better illuminate how the U.S. compares to Western Europeans. The average Dutch woman is 5 feet 7 inches tall, and the average Dutch man is about 6 feet and a half inch.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-the-tallest-of-them-all-its-no-longer-the-americans-11553254201

[Sirioja]

Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.

Around 100 girls at Sharks on Friday and Saturday and 2 great for me, wish to have my tenth room with one since she started on 9 July when I m her only regular from her first day as she said, but everybody know how I'm different. Oase is not anymore on same level for casting. I don't think for World now. Found 3 really good girls at 6 sens NL, repeating on next week with elegant after real wow discovery and she is really honest when we were over 1 hour. Amira at Samya is so exciting super sexy diva princess, a girl for my fantasies. I made good job in brothels land and deserved from my own way to play. Good game.

[Iceberg27]

LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.

Thanks Sirioja. At least we have Sharks-Oase and World in our hand.

[Mursenary]

Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/a...ountry=NLD~USA.

Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: https://teacher.scholastic.com/activ...gion_table.pdf.

The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.

So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States.

My main contention is that those trends and statistics are not as reliable in a changing nation as one set in a defined border with defined people.

1st, do you think the statistic that average American height dropped 5 cm from 1820 to 1860 is a reflection of declining height within a gene pool? Seems rather odd. Sounds more like bad data.

2nd. I think we all know that Hispanics make up much more than 6% of the US population. This is actually the first time I've ever heard of it being anything lower than 12%. I highly question the veracity of the 6% figure.

3. Dutch height took a big leap forward in the 1930's. How much of that is Dutch growth and how much of that is ethnic cleansing of Jews / Gypsies, etc.

4. Even after the 60's and 80's. American net immigration towers that of the Dutch, especially from shorter countries. Again disputing the veracity of the 6% Hispanic number, pretty sure the number of Hispanics in US is over 50 million. 15% easy.

[Mursenary]

These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.

Again, no better option than Schwabb High-Yield Investor checking. Absolutely no fees, exchange rates as determined by the US central bank, reimburses all out of network ATM fees. Absolutely no different than taking money out of the ATM at your local bank bank.

Literally the absolute best option outside of banks giving you money.

[Sirioja]

So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?

LR is also closed, like Vanila ex Vertigo. Except Samya, NRW is slow, many GT girls moved to 6 sens NL. Sharks work good, Hessen is open, Finca also. At the moment, 1 good and 5 top girls for my pleasure and a fresh natural Swiss at Globe. Good Summer for sport and for girls.

[McAdonis]

Dutch have been taller than Americans since 1890, here is the graph for both nations over time: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/a...ountry=NLD~USA.

But guessing the influx of southern European gene pool brought down the white American average.

Largest waves of Italians came in the first two decades of 20th century. For the first half of the 20th century, the difference in height was negligible: Dutch were only about a centimeter taller than Americans: https://teacher.scholastic.com/activ...gion_table.pdf.

Add Hispanic and Asian and then it's obvious why the height average has been lower.

The height gap was the greatest in 1960: Dutch men born in 1960 are almost 5 centimeters taller than their Americans counterparts. The age cohort born in 1960 would have reached full adult height around 1980. USA census figures for 1980 show 80 percent White, 12 percent Black, 6 percent Hispanic, 2 percent Asian.

So the question is can 8 percent of the population bring down the population average by almost 5 cms? Doing the math here roughly, but let's say we randomly took 100 White / Black American males born in 1960 and found them to have an average height of 180 cm. If we swapped 8 of those "legacy" Americans out with a shorter Latino / Asian American, the only way you could bring down the average to 175 cm, would be if those 8 people had an average height of 117-118 cm. Latinos and Asians tend to be shorter, but not that short: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor..._United_States.

[Iceberg27]

So bets are closed. Lol..Sorry guys I was away of here for a long time and it is really mess to view ISG in Turkey because it is banned by our stupid government like many other websites. Except Sauna club Goldentime all of them looks re-opened. I am just curious when they re-opened? I know I should go deep in forum but believe me not easy to find out. Is there anyone who can summarise the current situation shortly and give us a brief history of openings?

If you are speaking about may 2021, I think that the chances that the FKK will be open are around 5% to be positive but more probably 0%. May be 2022 but I will not give more than 50% chances.

For mid May, Switzerland or Spain, but 0 in Germany, or only Kaufmich or Lady. De.

May 2022 perhaps...

[BobNSuzy]

Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.

These posts led me to do some googling. It seems like Capital One is also a good option because it doesn't charge foreign transaction fees. I saw that Starling requires an UK address. I'm not sure if something like Resolut has better exchange rates than something like Scwabb. There are some bad reviews for Resolut. I know banks also charge a fee to use their ATM if you don't have an account with them. E*TRADE refunds that fee domestically at least but charges a 1% foreign transaction fee I noted. Capital One has international Allpoint locations but I don't see any in Germany. That is the state of my ignorance. Without being able to compare side by side what the exchange rates would be I think I'll stick with what I'm doing with zero foreign transaction fees.

[Mursenary]

Literally free for any person with a Charles Schwabb bank account that you can open in 5 minutes online.

[Mr Ho]

I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.

Also if it is big amount in cash like we spend in FKK trip, then I also recommend credit card cashing, I pay in swiss francs about 16 chf fee and I can take out as much as up to 10000 chf cash, if it is big amount for like long FKK trip, it is worth it, small amount for few days at FKK like 1000 chf, not really worth it.

[BobNSuzy]

I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.

I want to add that it can help to have a back up. The bank can close off funds for anything suspicious such as using there services in another country. That part can be ridiculous.

[Rocky V]

What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.

I would consider opening an account with online banks like Starling Bank or Revolout as they offer the best rates when withdrawing money from abroad. However, DB offers good rates for international withdrawals.

[BobNSuzy]

What do you guys from the US do to exchange to EUR. I checked with my bank and they are asking 1. 23:1 as an exchange rate where online I see it listed as 1. 16. And additional. 07 sounds high to me. Would I get better rates exchanging in Germany or do you know of any other ways to get better rates. It's not bad when you are exchanging small amounts but when you are doing 7 or 8 K it really adds up.

I use an ATM card. That is what I do. I can't give any comparisons. I assumed it was the best way and have done it a while in different countries. The card needs to say cirrus or maestro on it. You could research that part.