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[Pessimist]

If I was a beautiful Romanian girl like Megan, for example, (and she was hotter than most of the escorts I saw except one but not as educated; a few I saw had Ivy League degrees), I'd try to go to NYC and work as an independent escort. It's interesting how they will only see you if you can provide references and ID.

With regards to the Ivy issue, the question is what do you want and what are you paying for? Is the Ivy a fetish?

I had plenty of university girls as arrangements. Some progressed to sex, some fizzed out after dinner and lunch meets; I have always enjoyed the meet and talk getting to know stuff. The conversations are definitely more interesting. But I have not paid any higher amounts simply because she was more educated than a barmaid. I don't think any of them expected to be paid more due to their degree status either. Of course there are many university girls who think they warrant a much bigger allowance due to their credential but I usually steer clear of them and wish them well.

As far as the Romie girls go, I am pretty sure they would prefer to work in the US if they could. However, very few have visas to come here and work. Of course, they are also not connected and wouldn't know how to go about finding clients. They know prostitution is not legal and will not take the chance to come to a foreign country and try their luck and be thrown into the jail assuming they could somehow get a tourist visa. Perhaps a few girls have done this. I hear of one or two Oase and Sharks' girls that visit US occasionally and meet with clients. My guess is, they have sponsors here and are meeting only those pre existing clients.

[Mr Ho]

I will wait until spring or summer and travel again to Japan, trying to follow your advise of student escorts and climbing again the Mont Fuji as to meet well educated people, enjoying the great Japanese food.

I recommend spring for sakura season than summer as summer is hot, if you come in summer, try going to Okinawa! 3 hours flight!

All escorts are open now, during crisis and I think it will be open later on, just avoid Olympic as it will be crowded even during corona crisis! There will be major measure taken though! How? I don't know LOL!

[BaltiX]

I admit it was a silly comparison to compare entire continents. We need to be reminded that Europe is composed of over 30 different countries, each with their own cultures and languages. Differences between the Europe or within is bigger than those between states (or provinces) in North America from what I gathered. A better question would be which countries in Europe has the "easiest" women. My guess would be Scandinavian countries would be easiest, hardest would be a country in Southern Europe or Balkans. What do you think?

[Mursenary]

Does that apply to a American? And if so how much, and if so what area? And you have any sites that would give me a example, thanks.

My mongering experience in Japan was not so great. Even though I am of Asian descent, I still faced resistance once they learned that I was not Japanese. In SoapLand, prices were printed on signs outside but I was quoted prices double than advertised. In a couple instances, I was not even allowed to enter once they realized that I did not speak Japanese. One place let me in, showed me pictures of the girls. After selecting one, I was taken to another venue 2 blocks away. While the service was great, the girl they gave me was far from being a stunner, a bit chubby even. Obviously the top tier girls were at the original venue and I was fed the scraps at a lower tier sister establishment.

Perhaps the escort scene is better but I suspect if you do not speak Japanese, you will be in for much disappointment. Even if you do, if your Japanese is not near perfect, I bet you will still have some problems.

While Japan was a great place to visit, with food being amazing, cities being well run, very clean, and people being very polite and courteous, there is an underlying sense of xenophobia and prejudice towards non-Japanese people. I know a handful of Caucasian friends living in Japan and even the ones who have been there for a decade or more, have Japanese wives, with half-Japanese children are constantly complaining about the prejudice they face.

[Pessimist]

I think there are a lot of factors you aren't considering.

1. Many markets have industries with huge bonuses. If a single investment banker in NYC gets a $500,000 year-end bonus after a great deal year, do you really think paying $10,000 for a 24-hour special trip with a high-end escort is going to traumatize him?

2. I think you would be surprised at how many of those ladies grandfathered in regulars at a high, but not as outrageous rate, with no minimum time blocks. I used to see an escort in Las Vegas who grandfathered me in at $450 an hour, but swore me to secrecy. There were probably a lot of us sworn to secrecy, but for what it is worth she said I was one of her first Johns and one of her best repeaters. Her published rates got much more outrageous soon after I got grandfathered in. One time when I saw her she brought her bags into my hotel room because she had to go to the airport because a customer was flying her to Europe for a very expensive (for him) weekend. She said he was really old and really rich and she didn't particularly like him, but he spent a lot on her. She essentially got different hourly rates from different customers, with the most recent customers generally paying the most. There are a lot of businesses like that if you think about it. They only have so many hours to "bill", and they want to fill all those hours, but they can't necessarily get the same, or the maximum, rate for every hour. But my point is that you seem to think that a lady offering her service as only a $10,000 for 24-hour package is different than a lady offering one-hour appointments at $600 an hour. If you look at the lady's history, she may have been offering hourly sessions a few years ago, and she fills that part of her business now with regulars but doesn't reveal that.

Thoughtful as always, M88.

With regards to SA girls, many of them are not professionals IMO and don't have any steady earnings from arrangements. At best it is a supplement. That has been true for most of the girls I had arrangements with.

Also, the super wealthy SD flying the girl all over the world, giving several thousand dollars' worth of gifts and cash allowances every week gets a lot of press but that sort of glitz is a reality for only a handful. For the vast majority, that is just a dream. Most of them are working small jobs or students or what have you and the amounts are not that big. They can be easily explained away if noticed by any tax authorities.

To the extent pros are on that site too, the traffic from SA is a small supplement. I doubt that there are many pros who are depending on SA as the only or key source of their clientele. The site would weed them out if the girls are obvious, and it is tough to generate leads in sufficient volumes at the type of pace and turnaround time they need.

On your #1, yes for a banker on a special night 10 grand is not a problem financially. The ones at half a million bonuses are senior associates a few years out of undergrad or business school and they just work to death most of the time and can't really plan anything as far as dating and vacations go, so I can see why some of them could be tempted to splurge on a super hot girl at that rate for a special date when they get that rare day off. For the managing directors in the late 30's and 40's, bonuses are much higher and their work hours are a bit more manageable and it would shock no one if some of them may be playing on the side.

[Mursenary]

Where are most of the American coming from? Europe, and second Africa, when you are speaking "religious immigrants" probably are you thinking about Asian people it is incredible how the people are not able to name the reality. Sorry but God doesn't exists, human are just animals and our life starts by the birth and end with our death, there is nothing before or after, even not 50 virgins waiting for us I don't know where.

I had Muslims in mind regarding immigrants to Europe.

Most of the first Americans that came from Europe were the ones looking to escape religious persecution by the Church of England. These puritans took religion much more seriously and were not as influenced by the Age of Enlightenment that occurred in Europe. While Europe became more secular, American colonists held on to strong religious beliefs. As the nation grew, evangelicalism became a major influence in developing frontier towns. Christianity in America's early years was much different than Christianity practiced in Europe and the effects have seeped into the subconscious of a large sect of euro-ethnic Americans. That culture and mentality persists moreso in the American south and midwest hence the region's gravitation towards conservative value politics. Other major European immigrants were the poor Catholic Irish and Italians. In my experience, poorer populations tend to take religion more seriously. The next most populous non-European ethnic group are Hispanic / Latinos, surpassing people of African origin sometime in the recent decade. Most of the Hispanic immigrants are also poor Catholics and are extremely conservative with family values. A large number of Hispanic American women still live with their families until they are married. Afro-ethnic people are the third most populous group and they are also fairly religious as black American slaves were force-fed principals of Christianity by their slave owners.

Asian immigrants have very little influence in American culture and next to none in regards to religion.

This is not a comment defending religion, but rather to shed light on why American attitudes on casual sex might be less liberal than that of Europeans. Not to say that religious Americans actually practice what they preach, but the upbringing does exist in the back of the minds of many people, possibly serving as a source of resistance to liberal sexual habits.

[McAdonis]

I wonder how many FKK girls who've starting doing this are building a stable of sugar daddies as pseudo-relationships must be developing, especially during a time of little social interaction.

I could definitely see this distorting the market. The social isolation brought upon by lockdowns might have made single men more lonely and depressed, and perhaps more receptive (or vulnerable) to sugar-baby relationships. So for some WG's, this might prove to be a good hunting season. Pre-CV19 mongers may have been distributing their spending between 10-20 WGs. Now that same money is funneled to 1-2 WGs. Of course, this also means 18-19 WG's are losing out on earnings.

I suspect that WGs had more social interaction than mongers during this period. One, they are young. Two, there is a large community of Romanians in Germany, many of whom were also out of work.

[Sirioja]

I will wait until spring or summer and travel again to Japan, trying to follow your advise of student escorts and climbing again the Mont Fuji as to meet well educated people, enjoying the great Japanese food.

Then, You should see Mont Fuji is twin with my Zoncolan in Ovaro in Frioul Venezia, look so much forward returning for extreme climbing where your body and head burn everywhere.

[Mursenary]

I probably know more about European demographics than most people here and it's not going to turn into MENA 2.0 or South Asia.

I'm guessing variances would depend on the crowd in which you associate. If your social group and interactions are mostly with Euro-centric natives, guessing it remains all the same. But perhaps, the immigrant crowd may retain many of the beliefs that they bring over? I'm confident that you're more or less right though, but perhaps a small degree of spillover occurs into groups like 2nd generation Muslims communities.

[ExpatLover]

I would imagine it being pretty hard to compare the entire continents regarding casual sex as I think attitudes are very different from region to region and between ethnic groups. I don't think Americans in general are as prude as the reputation suggests and the demographic shift is changing towards more liberal attitudes. Contrast that to shifting demographics in Europe due to influx of religious immigrants and the reverse of conventional stereotypes may actually be happening.

Where are most of the American coming from? Europe, and second Africa, when you are speaking "religious immigrants" probably are you thinking about Asian people it is incredible how the people are not able to name the reality. Sorry but God doesn't exists, human are just animals and our life starts by the birth and end with our death, there is nothing before or after, even not 50 virgins waiting for us I don't know where.

[RacShack]

In Japan you can easily find a student escort.

Does that apply to a American? And if so how much, and if so what area? And you have any sites that would give me a example, thanks.

[BaltiX]

I would imagine it being pretty hard to compare the entire continents regarding casual sex as I think attitudes are very different from region to region and between ethnic groups. I don't think Americans in general are as prude as the reputation suggests and the demographic shift is changing towards more liberal attitudes. Contrast that to shifting demographics in Europe due to influx of religious immigrants and the reverse of conventional stereotypes may actually be happening.

Friendliness has to easily favor North America though. Canadian friendliness alone can carries the entire continent. Americans in general are also obviously more socially open, even to the point of being obnoxious, so there is that. Mexicans when in the comforts of their own communities, have always been very sociable and warm in my opinion.

I probably know more about European demographics than most people here and it's not going to turn into MENA 2.0 or South Asia.

[Sirioja]

I don't know if any of you have seen The Girlfriend Experience (the series), first on Starz and now on Amazon, but it's the story of a law student in Chicago who becomes an escort. She charges 1000 $ per hour with a minimum of 2 hours. I thought this was just Hollywood but when I googled for high class escorts in the USA there are indeed independent escorts who charge these rates. (I've seen a few agencies in Geneva and London that charge the same). The girls on these websites were hot and educated but, honestly, didn't look better than the top girls at Oase or Globe or any of the best German FKKs.

So my question to Americans on here is how can the girls charge such rates? The top rated escort in NYC I saw was advertising 24 hours for 10,000 $. That's more than top lawyers and doctors and bankers make! How do these girls explain that kind of income to the IRS? That's crazy money. If I was a beautiful Romanian girl like Megan, for example, (and she was hotter than most of the escorts I saw except one but not as educated; a few I saw had Ivy League degrees), I'd try to go to NYC and work as an independent escort. It's interesting how they will only see you if you can provide references and ID.

Anyone (Kaveman perhaps?) experienced this kind of girl? What was it like?

If Megan didn't get good advices and good care to her, she would have stayed at Sharks for 50/30 . 1000 USD for 1 hour is just crazy, when I didn't find find any girl worthing 280 CHF /30 at Aphro, not even Sunny. Ro. Russian escorts in Dubaï are less expensive.

[JohnReter335]

I will wait until spring or summer and travel again to Japan, trying to follow your advise of student escorts and climbing again the Mont Fuji as to meet well educated people, enjoying the great Japanese food.

In Japan you can easily find a student escort.

[The Cane]

I think there are a lot of factors you aren't considering.

Whatever factors not considered, I'm not paying that kind of outrageous money when I can go to some other part of the world and find girls who are just as hot or hotter for a small percentage of the price. Not about to happen. No way, no how!