German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Gino02]

Really? What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN? I thought strip club and sex industry were taken out of portfolio?

Well it always is mystery how FKK owner put together millions of euro to open FKK especially Artemis costed I think it was 5 million or 6 million euro to construct, I think it was written in wikipedia or some article, it is huge amount to put together for individual, precisely two Turkish brothers! So I thought it is not bank, but some organization behind as these two brothers seems more or less legit!

That UN principle is simply a guideline, without any real enforcement. Kinda like WHO (which is an arm of UN) guidelines on Coronavirus LOL. Who would report if a small local bank or an investment firm puts few millions to a legit business. Same like tech startups, only that less multiples of returns but greater chances of positive returns.

[Sirioja]

Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).

I follow you on this. Hells own Finca, World, Mainhattan, not far from Sharks, I think also for Leipzig and Artemis. Italian for Oase. They don't need bank, yes washing machines. But I go only for girls. On last evening, Globe owner was very polite when I had diner, but I have nothing to say to him, just danke, on the other hand I wish I found Romanian charm I was looking for, really charming, when I m bored about the prettiest German at Globe, not Linda for me, after only 4 rooms, but she is losing charm.

[Mr Ho]

Very well said. People who worry about catching the disease, should better stay off FKK's in the first place.

I went early this year luckily, so I am planning to stay away till sometimes toward second half of year 2021 if this covid19 seems over!

Till then, I am at most obedient and cheapest FKK there is called FKK my right hand and pornhub or use my imagination when I was at FKK! Luckily, I copy pasted some of FKK girls facebook photos to jerk off to while they kept me on their facebook friend list LOL!

[Mr Ho]

How can you be so sure that no bank would lend money? It's a legal, regulated business in Germany. You / we might be surprised. Actually, I wouldn't be. Who knows? But I think like the main thing you say is that the main problem is no revenue no way to pay for certain costs that don't go away just because your doors are closed. And if there are outstanding loans, then no way to service that debt either. Things are already beyond "dicey" to severe. This has been going on for months!

Because of Principle of responsible investment set by UN, these industry has been taken out! Yeah, cost accumulate and it can be problematic for FKK owners who own few FKKs or mega FKK venue owners as bigger the venue, more staffs are needed etc and more money needed to maintain during closure!

Once it open safely we mongers will be the borderless brothel rescuer to support the sustainability of FKK eco system! We believe in sustainability of FKK!

[Mr Ho]

Actually, in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, banks and other investment businesses do give legit loans to open an FKK business if you can show a solid business plan. Similar to how strip clubs in USA get legit loans. Bigger challenge is to deal with local mafias depending on the area. In some cases, local mafias are also seed or angel investors in these legit sex businesses, which also helps them to use some laundry services.

Really? What happen to principle of responsible investment set by UN? I thought strip club and sex industry were taken out of portfolio?

Well it always is mystery how FKK owner put together millions of euro to open FKK especially Artemis costed I think it was 5 million or 6 million euro to construct, I think it was written in wikipedia or some article, it is huge amount to put together for individual, precisely two Turkish brothers! So I thought it is not bank, but some organization behind as these two brothers seems more or less legit!

[Mr Ho]

I usually visit FKKs in the summer but this year I changed and visited in January, February and March and I'm so glad I did.

Haha, whatta coincidence, me too, I went to FKK, but in Zurich during end of Jan. And early Feb. And yes me too, I am glad I did!

However, I must say summer is best time to visit FKK and I have so much never forget memory in many different FKK.

FKK sell you memories for life, not just sex!

And we will be back!

[Alessandro527]

Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).

When I think about FKK owners my mind comes across Ozark the Netflix series.

BTW how many of us have got a receipt when we pay for entrance in cash?

Annually income in cash 4 mil.

Income in financial statements 1 mil.

[Turgid]

Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!...............

I usually visit FKKs in the summer but this year I changed and visited in January, February and March and I'm so glad I did.

[Gobernador]

Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!

I like palace the best in Frankfurt, but it may give me another reason to try out Oase once again as usually I am just stuck in palace for my line up preference reason!

Very well said. People who worry about catching the disease, should better stay off FKK's in the first place.

[HammerTime96]

Yes, it is plausible that banks are not the main lenders to these fuck clubs.

Merely plausible?

Come on guys, wake the fuck up: it's mostly criminal money that's being invested and laundered in these clubs. Why do you think the police does all those raids? They know where the money comes from but can't prove it, so they chose to harass them instead.

Next time you're in Germany, pay attention to all those slot machine and casino places in small sleepy provincial towns with an expensive Audi or BMW of the owner parked in front. Again, just like FKKs, it's a "cash only" business and ideal for laundering money.

[ExpatLover]

Just have a look who are mostly owners of the clubs: HA for several of them, and other bikers owns Artemis. Why the manager of Oase is Italian, what is famous in Italy, and so on. It is a wrong approach by thinking profitability, capital, investment like in a regular business, may be you should think about washing machine)).

[Gino02]

I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world!

Actually, in Germany, Switzerland and Austria, banks and other investment businesses do give legit loans to open an FKK business if you can show a solid business plan. Similar to how strip clubs in USA get legit loans. Bigger challenge is to deal with local mafias depending on the area. In some cases, local mafias are also seed or angel investors in these legit sex businesses, which also helps them to use some laundry services.

[The Cane]

I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world!

How can you be so sure that no bank would lend money? It's a legal, regulated business in Germany. You / we might be surprised. Actually, I wouldn't be. Who knows? But I think like the main thing you say is that the main problem is no revenue no way to pay for certain costs that don't go away just because your doors are closed. And if there are outstanding loans, then no way to service that debt either. Things are already beyond "dicey" to severe. This has been going on for months!

[Mr Ho]

I think it depends on weather or not they had large debt, and if they were the owner of the facilities in addition to the just operating the club.

When it comes to the Oceans lockers, they did try out at least 3 different approaches. And changed out the locks a lot of times, so I don't know if that was due to economics. They have also kept the bar and restaurant open it seems for awhile. So maybe they made some money there.

I think Oase should have a good economy. And at least not much debt. They did renovate recently though, but I don't know if that created too much debt.

If the GT owners have 3 clubs (plus VV and LR), a reduction to just 2 probably depends more on girls and customers than economy. GT has made so much money that I doubt the economy is the main reason. Also why they had the financials to take over VV too.

Some smaller clubs are probably in a worse position. PHG also? And I don't know about Magnum.

I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world!

[Mr Ho]

I don't think that big clubs like Sharks and Oase will have big effect when they open. People would prefer to walk into larger area where they can also escape in garden and take of mask. The larger the club the less risk I think. On the other hand clubs without garden like Palace might have a serious problem when they re open. I believe smaller clubs and those without garden will have the major issues.

Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!

I like palace the best in Frankfurt, but it may give me another reason to try out Oase once again as usually I am just stuck in palace for my line up preference reason!