German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

I think it depends on weather or not they had large debt, and if they were the owner of the facilities in addition to the just operating the club.

When it comes to the Oceans lockers, they did try out at least 3 different approaches. And changed out the locks a lot of times, so I don't know if that was due to economics. They have also kept the bar and restaurant open it seems for awhile. So maybe they made some money there.

I think Oase should have a good economy. And at least not much debt. They did renovate recently though, but I don't know if that created too much debt.

If the GT owners have 3 clubs (plus VV and LR), a reduction to just 2 probably depends more on girls and customers than economy. GT has made so much money that I doubt the economy is the main reason. Also why they had the financials to take over VV too.

Some smaller clubs are probably in a worse position. PHG also? And I don't know about Magnum.

I imagine their debt are limited as noone legit like bank would have lend money to open FKK, which really is just a brothel in different format, but I think it is to do with their maintenance cost during closure, if that is too high, then current owner cannot stand it!

GT owner has few clubs, so it is extra income when they are open, but extra loss when they are closed, so let see!

I wonder how they gather millions of euro to open in first place, like I read that Artemis costed 5 million euro to begin the construction, so I wonder where these guys collected cash or they already were rich before because again no bank would lend it to entrepreneur who want to open mega brothel and even to get 5 million euro from shady lender is unlikely to imagine as it is large sum and I doubt fed would have granted permissions if they are part of shady organization or one foot in shady side of the world!

[Mr Ho]

I don't think that big clubs like Sharks and Oase will have big effect when they open. People would prefer to walk into larger area where they can also escape in garden and take of mask. The larger the club the less risk I think. On the other hand clubs without garden like Palace might have a serious problem when they re open. I believe smaller clubs and those without garden will have the major issues.

Right, but let face it, garden and German winters do not match, BUT! We mongers will go through anything for pussies of young beauties, so spending German winter in bathrobe outside in garden ain't a thing LOL!

I like palace the best in Frankfurt, but it may give me another reason to try out Oase once again as usually I am just stuck in palace for my line up preference reason!

[Pessimist]

Yes, it is plausible that banks are not the main lenders to these fuck clubs. I never had to borrow from German banks in Germany, never launched a fuck club, so I would not know but it is plausible. Could be shadow banking system. Private funds, other 3rd party sources. Due to the nature of this business, a lot of numbers may be off the income statement / balance sheet; for example, when a club is first starting, to attract girls, does it have to pay off lover boys? If they do, I don't think they will be recording those expenses honestly. Any sort of illegal expense will most likely be off the official statements and in which case it would be tough for a reputed bank to ascertain the club's ongoing financial condition which is needed to extend loans. Don't people say many of these clubs are gang owned? If that is the case, everything may be opaque -- one set of statements for tax authorities and government, and one which records the true financials of the club for their gang owners. I have no clue and I am randomly speculating. But this is another reason these things would not trade as stocks in public markets (until everything is above the table).

[Pistons]

I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.

I think it depends on weather or not they had large debt, and if they were the owner of the facilities in addition to the just operating the club.

When it comes to the Oceans lockers, they did try out at least 3 different approaches. And changed out the locks a lot of times, so I don't know if that was due to economics. They have also kept the bar and restaurant open it seems for awhile. So maybe they made some money there.

I think Oase should have a good economy. And at least not much debt. They did renovate recently though, but I don't know if that created too much debt.

If the GT owners have 3 clubs (plus VV and LR), a reduction to just 2 probably depends more on girls and customers than economy. GT has made so much money that I doubt the economy is the main reason. Also why they had the financials to take over VV too.

Some smaller clubs are probably in a worse position. PHG also? And I don't know about Magnum.

[Alessandro527]

I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.

I don't think that big clubs like Sharks and Oase will have big effect when they open. People would prefer to walk into larger area where they can also escape in garden and take of mask. The larger the club the less risk I think. On the other hand clubs without garden like Palace might have a serious problem when they re open. I believe smaller clubs and those without garden will have the major issues.

[Mr Ho]

There could be changes. But we are not able to predict those changes. What we observe are only superficial things. To really forecast with any accuracy, we need to know the current ownership structures, contracts, and financial statements. Especially balance sheets and cash flow statements. Debt is a hugely important consideration. Depending on how history unfolded, owners at some clubs may have more debt than some others. More often than not, debt and the difficulty in servicing that debt precipitates ownership changes.

I also suspect that a lot of clubs may have more than one owner. Could be a group of owners. Then it is important to know what is the ownership stake of each party, and what they plan to do in a situation like this. For example, if Sharks has 10 different owners, some with 3% stake and another with 15% stake. Due to this pandemic their cash flows dried up and there is debt payment due, taxes due, some license and other payments due, perhaps some renovations expenses are due. They can collectively borrow fresh money from another bank to pay off these expenses (assuming banks still would lend them money) or they may each be needed to pony up some new cash to keep the club going and pay for those expenses. If one of that group of 10 does not have any cash to put in, his stake would be diluted and in the worst case, he may be forced to exit the partnership.

Yeah, just for chit chat Artemis has two owners which are brothers! The one you often see walking around in club Kennan and the other one you never see in club. These FKK owners are always amusing due to the nature of business and it always interest me how they began in the industry and also raised money because bank will never lend money for entrepreneur who want to open FKK or any kind of brothel.

[Pessimist]

I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.

There could be changes. But we are not able to predict those changes. What we observe are only superficial things. To really forecast with any accuracy, we need to know the current ownership structures, contracts, and financial statements. Especially balance sheets and cash flow statements. Debt is a hugely important consideration. Depending on how history unfolded, owners at some clubs may have more debt than some others. More often than not, debt and the difficulty in servicing that debt precipitates ownership changes.

I also suspect that a lot of clubs may have more than one owner. Could be a group of owners. Then it is important to know what is the ownership stake of each party, and what they plan to do in a situation like this. For example, if Sharks has 10 different owners, some with 3% stake and another with 15% stake. Due to this pandemic their cash flows dried up and there is debt payment due, taxes due, some license and other payments due, perhaps some renovations expenses are due. They can collectively borrow fresh money from another bank to pay off these expenses (assuming banks still would lend them money) or they may each be needed to pony up some new cash to keep the club going and pay for those expenses. If one of that group of 10 does not have any cash to put in, his stake would be diluted and in the worst case, he may be forced to exit the partnership.

[Mr Ho]

I think after covid 19, there will be owner change to few FKKs as some of them won't survive this forced closure, but this can be good thing if the new owner is bit more creative and keen on getting better younger line up!

Of course, it can turn bad, but that is unlikely if new owner want to get return on his investment because young beautiful girls who provide good service is the key to successful FKK!

I wonder which FKK will have owner change, I would say, hmm FKK oceans as it already had issues like many lockers are broken, but never fixed and it is rather big facility, so rent would be higher than other FKK in nrw like LR or GT being just a house etc Another risky ones are Oase maybe and also sharks being big venue?

I think in general, smaller in size the FKKs are, better your survival rate during corona due to cheaper rent and management fee, which is the biggest part of FKK cost and as for girls, they are clients to FKK as we are and they pay more than us to get in actually LOL!

On the same note, I hear Artemis raised entry fee to 90 euro for us, I wonder if they raised the entry fee rate for girls as well? I think it was 140 euro per day for girls including bed to sleep in, food as we eat etc.

[Mr Ho]

But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.

That is too tall, I like 1.75 and sportive fit body but tight almost thin, but not thin! I get lucky sometimes in FKK! You never know what is inside till you walk into main bar LOL!

[Mr Ho]

No FKK in France. Yesterday 17 deaths with 5 in a old people residence, on average 10 deaths per day. Most of new cases are around 20 yo since this Summer, with around 1 million tests per week. Mask in some big towns, like in German or NL FKK. Not in Switzerland nor Austria.

It is good to keep the death rate low and better now as travelling stop as summer is over, but it is simple, stay home during holiday and do not travel around as in summer, Europe was back to how it was just travelling freely as they wish LOL.

[Sirioja]

But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.

You mean Shayen / Michele ex Darla LR on 2014, ex Carla GT on 2013 and ex Globe, now silicon, I think she moved to 6 ens NL, lovely, speaking few french words, but don't tell me she is sexy, compare to woman types I got at LR, and I would be happy to find their twin on any of my visits in any club, when I don't even see such girls at Globe, when average face Linda. De is far below for attraction.

[Mr Ho]

Better you stay all outside the FKK and P6 scene, just have a small look on what happened in Cap the adge.

What happened? Cluster infections?

What I think is very threatening is actually long distance flight as airplane do not have best ventilation one could hope for during crisis? Any pilot here?

[Pistons]

Well it is not too bad, but I tend to like model type stunner girl, so sometimes LR line up was not enough for me, but I did find some good looking next door girl natural beauty that are 7 to 8, but not 9 or 10 that I am seeking for more in FKK and I am used to, but it was good, I did have fun in LR like I always do in any FKK so far, it is men's Disney land, but not with Mickey mouse or Donald duck, but with beautiful prostitutes LOL!

But Minnie Mouse (Chayenne, Oase) is much sexier than a leggy girl on stilts and 1.80 m.

[Sirioja]

I just read that in EU infection rates are rising up and in France, 10000 infections per day, which is highest so far. This is result of people just travelling as they want during summer holiday and it could result in re-closure of FKK again if the infection rate keep on going up.

EU nations should have take measure like UK does, which is the forced quarantine of 2 weeks for those who went abroad.

No FKK in France. Yesterday 17 deaths with 5 in a old people residence, on average 10 deaths per day. Most of new cases are around 20 yo since this Summer, with around 1 million tests per week. Mask in some big towns, like in German or NL FKK. Not in Switzerland nor Austria.

[ExpatLover]

Better you stay all outside the FKK and P6 scene, just have a small look on what happened in Cap the adge.