German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sirioja]

From my information, at least 100 and even more for 30 mn with traditional BJ, at Artemis. Swiss rate. Worth only if great beauties, but not sure many.

[Pessimist]

Well, I posted a dozen times that IMO, the chance of large FKK clubs opening prior to Sept was less than 5% and prior to December was less than 25% and it appears I am spectacularly wrong. So, I will go and order myself a crow and finish with a humble pie for dessert For now however, I will stay away from the clubs, for personal reasons.

[The Cane]

So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?

Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.

FKK clubs in Hamburg and Munich (only one good one if you ask me) were always pricier than even Artemis overall. I don't see things going 100% back to the way they were, including the fact that I think some clubs will permanently close their doors. We'll have to find those open legs somewhere else!

[PayForIt]

So. Lot's of great posts (thanks) about when clubs are re-opening. Notably nothing yet from Pistons, and nothing about the clubs in Hessen opening up yet. Are virus cases in Hessen high?

Query: I was a little surprised to see the jump in prices in Artemis - 90 e entry and 70/30 minutes. Of course it has always been the most expensive FKK (so far as I know) with previous prices 80 e and 60/30 compared to 50/30 almost everywhere else and lower entry fees. As has been quoted, this will reflect the monopoly the club enjoys in Berlin (in itself very odd. Why on earth don't some entrepreneurs open other FKKs in Berlin. There must be room for 3 or 4 at least like in Frankfurt). My query is whether members think we will now see prices increase (entry and room prices) in other clubs. A chance for the club and girls to attempt to recover some lost income whilst closed? It goes without saying I hope not! But it will be interesting to see if this opportunity is seized upon. Prices in Spain in at least one big club (Scandalos Malaga) increased significantly after re-opening. Hope that won't be followed throughout Germany but worrying that it happened in Spain and now in Berlin and causes me to think it might be repeated elsewhere.

[Mursenary]

Legally it is allowed since yesterday, but of course it takes some time for the clubs to re-open, and understand what the exact rules are under which it will be allowed.

Aca Gold will re-open Friday (9/11), like Penelope and M-Exclusiv. Sky Wuppertal on Saturday (9/12), Babylon around end of next week (September 18?)

Rumours: Club Diamond today, Venus and Living Room Friday, etc.

Lets wait and see (especially the strict rules under which several clubs might re-open again.

I'm guessing the 150 person limit will apply. Perhaps the smaller clubs can resume some semblance of pre-covid business levels but the mega clubs have no shot unless they limit the number of girls and staff to accommodate for more patrons. Sharks, Samya, Mondial, Oase, GT will struggle.

[Pistons]

No updates on Goldentime nor Oceans as of yet. Although Oceans seems to have been open on Fridays and Saturdays for awhile now. I suspect just for partying, and no P6.

[Pistons]

FKK Magnum says they will be reopening in a few days.

But be back with more information soon on their website.

[Pistons]

Dolce Vita reopens on the 12th. Sept.

[Pistons]

Acapulco Velbert is set to open on Friday 18th Sept.

[HammerTime96]

I agree. They are cold and authoritarian. You can hardly see any minority in German police force.

In the initial weeks after the Germans Vovid19 lifted travel restrictions, I needed to be in Germany for work and was stopped at big police checkpoints near the border. Most of the police manning those checkpoints were new recruits, and it now perfectly mirrored the multicultural "ideal" that Germany now wants to be. Plenty of minorities and those were just as arrogant and authoritarian as the native Germans.

A former Bulgarian girlfriend of mine used to work for the police and she told me how easy it was to get in as a "minority. " They are dropping the standards to fill the quota, and the result is authoritarian assholes with a gun and a badge. What could possibly go wrong? / sarc.

[Sirioja]

At Paradise Sarrebrucken in Saarland, seem each girl has own room, so 20 rooms, 20 girls, for new rule. Also mask in club for guys and girls and no more buffet, but staff is serving. I won t go for this, except for a girl I would know. Seem starting casting is very average, like was reported for Artemis and 6 ens NL. Just to empty balls.

[Maxime]

Great news. Any information about when any of the clubs will actually open then?

Legally it is allowed since yesterday, but of course it takes some time for the clubs to re-open, and understand what the exact rules are under which it will be allowed.

Aca Gold will re-open Friday (9/11), like Penelope and M-Exclusiv. Sky Wuppertal on Saturday (9/12), Babylon around end of next week (September 18?)

Rumours: Club Diamond today, Venus and Living Room Friday, etc.

Lets wait and see (especially the strict rules under which several clubs might re-open again.

[Bfsie]

Any information about when any of the clubs will actually open then?

Technically, they have to receive more information from the public order office and work out hygiene concepts which comply with the existing government measures, besides the issue of availibility of WGs. I think it would probably take a week or two.

Yeah, "Germans are going to German," it's in their blood.

I was at GT during a raid a few years ago, and I could suddenly understand Germany's "history" a lot better.

If you have to do a job like checking IDs, then do it professionally, efficiently but also courteously, but the German police was obviously there with a politically correct agenda: and it showed!

I agree. They are cold and authoritarian. You can hardly see any minority in German police force.

[Alessandro527]

Prostitution is not forbidden in Hessen with Sharks girls escorting, but all brothels are closed since mid March. Paradise Sarrebrucken and Artemis are with mask. Not so erotic when You need beauty to desire.

I think you can find prostitutes escorting all over Germany no matter if it is forbidden or not. Just take a look at escort sites.

[Mongerer88]

You do a wonderful job of summarizing the financial issues, but I am not sure Pahllus was really interested in a genuine financial analysis, and it appears that anyone doing so may fall into the category of an enemy MBA type, anyway, to many ISG posters.

A central theme to his posts seems to be a Return of Kings scenario, where a relatively common man can obtain sex at a low price in an upscale environment without much inconvenience, and if that sex is obtained in a commercial transaction, society would approve of it. Kind of like getting sex instead of coffee at Starbucks.

He long ago brought up the possibility of FKKs being in the United States in much the same manner as they are in a Germany, and I believe when I discussed that a very high price would occur unless the USA Allowed Mexicans and Venezuelans to do the sex work, he was not bothered by the concept of that occurring. It wouldn't bother me either, but I cannot envision a scenario where that would happen in the USA, given how many people would object. Germany is different, but I think there are limits to tolerance even in Germany.

So in his theory, I suppose, if FKKs were publicly-traded, then society would have greater acceptance of this activity and local zoning laws would become less of an issue. There would be a commercial sex establishment near everywhere a guy would want to go, the ski slopes, the sports arena, etc. Prices would be affordable since society would accept that the establishments are to be filled with women willing to work for the lowest possible price and some kind of streamlined system like a sex work visa would be available to get poor, but attractive, women to these places, when necessary, since a publicly-traded company would face greater "labor regulations". It would be so efficient that there would even be steady cash flow to return to investors.

It is difficult to know where to even start with this type of analysis other than to point out that the trends in every country I can think of are going the other direction.

Technology allows sex work to be more of a private transaction between two parties than ever before, and most countries, even throughout Europe, are actively discouraging visible public "sex venues". Although Germany bucks the trend, I am not sure it would be willing to go further in the other direction, I. E. , having more facilities near popular attractions. And prices for sex have been going up for quite some time, with perhaps one of the reasons being that poorer immigrant women can use technology to get a price closer to that obtained by local women.

Most of us have long ago accepted that most of society doesn't want this activity shoved in their faces. So we learn to do this activity in a manner that reaches a compromise with them. We simply don't need their approval. But part of that compromise would seem to be that there doesn't need to be a commercial sex establishment on every popular street corner.

And many of us don't think that an equilibrium price can exist for a labor market that is too dominated by immigrants. I am skeptical that any local population, even a Germans, would be tolerant of many "Starbucks type legal brothels" of a publicly-traded FKKs around ski slopes having mostly Romanians as the "sex baristas". This may be the case at FKKs now, but the publicity if that occurred within a publicly-traded FKK would be a much bigger deal.

OK, I am merely a messenger. You can shoot down the messenger, but the issue is that the message that you do not like will still be the same true message. I think you missed the central point of my argument. There is almost no demand from Any investors wanting to invest in this phantom FKK stock (besides from some hardcore mongers here perhaps, but even that point is doubtful. Only when it comes to ponying up real money will we know how many of these hardcore mongers will be down for it and how much).

Secondly, there is no compelling need for extra capital from the current owners of FKKs, as they seem to be operating just fine with whatever venues they have. The current FKK market is served quite well with the set of owners and their investors. Finally, you completely ignored that listing as a stock will only add to the expenses and not provide any real benefits for a FKK owner.

You are trying to solve a problem that does not exist. You are obviously welcome to bash MBAs and whoever else, and if you want we can come back in 5 years to see if this fictitious FKK stock has floated and how much money any of you made from it..