German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mongerer88]

The legal reason that this idea doesn't seem to work is that almost all countries, even those with legal and regulated systems, is that it is illegal to live off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. It is usually within the Pimping statutes.

Hopefully someone with knowledge of German law can point out whether or not this provision exists. I would be willing to be that it does. The way around it is rentals and services. I think some have mentioned that an FKK lady has to pay a certain amount of "rent" for using the facility whether or not she books any customers. Most jurisdictions where the activity is legal are okay with a lady having higher "rents" or shared facility costs if she uses the facility "relatively more", I. E. , she has paying customers, so she pays a certain amount of her per-session revenue to the facility. I say rents, but it can also be lodging. Parts of Spain actually govern their legal but regulated brothel system through the hotel statutes. The sex worker pays short term lodging costs for renting a room within the brothel, sometimes for as short as 30 minutes. In these legal but regulated system, the sex worker is allowed to hire services, so those doing scheduling, protecting and cleaning for the sex worker are not living off of her earnings. Her true earnings come after she pays those business expenses. The obvious issue is whether the accumulation of dividends and share price appreciation by a shareholder of a publicly-traded Brothel or FKK would be violating the laws against living off of the earnings or avails of a prostitute. That is quite a bit different than earning rent / lodging fees or providing services to the sex worker. I suspect no financial organization or stock brokerage would go near such an IPO, but maybe I am wrong.

The Mustang Ranch proposed IPO seems to have been an attempt for the legendary Joe Conforte to get a ruling from other government agencies stating that his company could not go public for similar reasons to what I just wrote. The IRS ridiculously asserted that the ladies were employees of his company, which would have even violated Nevada state law that clearly holds them to be independent contractors. It was not a serious IPO and it didn't even go far enough for him to get the written memos from other agencies that he was obviously fishing for. Eventually, this dispute was wrapped into many of his other tax and money laundering issues, and he fled to South America before he could be arrested. While the "Employee Payroll Tax" liability was nonsense, he likely was guilty / liable for many other tax debts and banking violations. Eventually the USA Government seized the property and auctioned it off to new owners. Much of what is written about the case by right-wing commentators is nonsense.

http://www.uscoles.com/mustangranch.html

https://www.jacksonville.com/article...NEWS/801244547

Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.

[The Cane]

Am I completely crazy?

No, you're not crazy. It's the "sane" world that's crazy. If only things worked the way you picture it. Knowing what a cash cow a good FKK can be, I would definitely buy stock and invest! And patronize too. I mean, if you own a part of it, then you may as well be a little "hands-on" to make sure the business is up to customer standards right? LOLOLOL!

[Bfsie]

Steve 9696 and Chongmal,

Thanks a lot. I will check Russia and Ukraine threads further.

[The Cane]

Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.

Well, it's always nice to make new friends.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Been about 9 months since unprecedented border closures, seizure of air travel and being unable to have dozens of pretty naked women parading around, anyone of which is happy to rub her soft little feminine fingers on my groin and a lot more. FKKs are Disneyland for men. Lots of different "rides" and for the most part no waiting, and visualization and knowing what can be had for a handful of Euros just as bigger part than the deed itself.

The urge to have physical contact with these beautiful creatures is a primary instinct / life force we are presently denied, and my oh my, it is frustrating. Never again will I take travel or FKKs for granted. The upside is that we will appreciate and cherish our hobby more than before, and savor and appreciate it more thoughtfully.

If they do get a good vaccine, and so far the UK / Oxford variant is looking promising, and if they manage to get it distributed without greed and beggar thy neighbor screwing the whole thing up, I predict a massive surge in low cost airlines, hotels and FKKs. With low cost fuel / oil price, lots of unemployed pilots and crew, a huge number of empty aircraft sitting idle in deserts and storage places and leasing companies and others desperate for yield, it will be a golden time of pent up demand and shift in mentality that things are always available and can be put off. People will live more in the here and now. Especially for the post packaged and tactically planned post bankruptcy big law and / or accounting firms and all sorts of non-public mispriced derivatives. Add to that the usual free money from the USA Fed doled out to the USA majors.

Some possible opportunities include JETS (ETF), Alaska (ALK), South West (LUV), WIZZ: LN (expensive stock), Ryan Air (RYA: ID), AirAsia Bhd (AIRA. KL) and AirAsia X Bhd (AIRX. KL) (both risky because of opaque accounting). Readers here may be able to make money for FKK discretionary expenditure and own what they fly on. Similarly priced travel industries NOT aimed at the corporate sector, such as budget hotel chains may also be a play. But that is indirect. Why not take it all the way, as contemplated by the French writer Michel Houellebecq in his book Platform envisaged a Club Med style FKK (Eldorador Aphrodite) that drew together serious finance, organization and mainstream ? But what if this was done near major population centers ?

AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME?

The Paradise group is in bankruptcy, but I do not know of anyway to buy it, though it would be cool if it got listed on an exchange. An properly managed FKK stock and company, getting the low-lifes out of it, I predict, would do really well. I only know of one or two examples, the Daily Planet on the Australian ASX is no longer, but was no good because of lack of governance and dodgy management. I think a very long time ago the Mustang Ranch in Nevada tried for an IPO but could be wrong. Basically they are a real estate play. The problem is the operators skim out all the profits from the real estate. If both were combined with honest management and taken mainstream, it would be a good investment, and I'll be easy to get customers and the girls the invest in what they literally use and touch. Why not allow the girls to buy stock at 5% discount? And pensioners will also love it. Yield and fun. Not only that, good management would enable competitive pricing against the short term, opportunistic sleaze bag owners skimming off the cash. They regularly self-destruct from tax evasion because they take it too far.

Well run cash flow and reserves allows cost-leveling, better price competition and done the right way offering equity to the actual participants would differentiate the club to the more sensible girls who could see a serious play and have something to show at the end of their career, something that is real and the oldest business model in the world.

Just as gays came out of the closet, maybe it is time for FKK's ownership and governance to become serious, kick out the sleaze, go mainstream and treat it no no differently from a gym or restaurant chain. Prisons are publicly traded. Why not something as harmless and natural as sex? There are oceans of capital sloshing around looking for yield. The clubs are easy to build (or buy out existing ones), have strong daily cash flow with close to zero receivables and bad debt. Plenty of young women who need income and / or somewhere to invest it, and the service is a simple, relatively affordable and natural joy that typically does well in uncertain economic times (like chocolate and small treats). Furthermore, FKKs may take the place of social contact in a greatlty reduced physical office world of telecommuters.

Am I completely crazy?

[Pessimist]

Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.

Well articulated, Mr. Cane. IMO, there is a reason members post against thread discipline. This site is another social media, and it becomes a habit and people make friends, rivals, have arguments. This is another "Cheers" for many. Guys who have been posting in German threads know the names of other members (handles anyway) that also frequent this location, and there is some comfort factor. We all post and expect some feedback and the feedback is more meaningful when it comes from members whose names we recognize (even if none of us know other members personally, they are handles we have seen for a while. Such as Bfsie, McAdonis, Cane, Sirioja, Gino, Steve9696 etc. A year ago, most of these names were new to me, now I see them, recognize them, and I am drawn to this niche of ISG more than the Brazil threads or Thai threads. So, I am guilty of the same things Steve has done or others have. I regularly post about sugar babe experiences in this thread but now we do have a separate thread for sugar babes in another part of ISG. Why do I do it? Because I recognize the member names in German thread (more than in the seeking arrangement thread), feel more comfortable posting here, and violate thread discipline.

It is an explanation, not meant to be a rationalization. I already said you make a valid argument in your comment above.

[ExpatLover]

EL: Forget online, young, fresh sexy natural and no pro girls are not online, you have to go to Starbucks, KFC. To make contacts, to seduce and after that if you are not too stupid and ugly the things can happen. Online in Hungary, Poland. You have only pro mostly from Romania, Moldavia.

[Jay2574]

"But perhaps 5 years and 10 pounds beyond my usual taste" haha. I love this! Thanks for making my day.

[Turgid]

I've never seen or heard of anything good for Poland, Belgium, Denmark, Czechia, France, Norway or Sweden. I've only heard horror stories about poverty stricken escorts in Greece and escorting isn't popular or hard to find in France.

I visited the Czech Republic in 2008 and had a great time there with beautiful Czech and Slovak women. I really enjoyed my summer visits to France in the early 2000's and had relations with sexy French women at Cap D'Agde beach. I had fun times in Denmark, Sweden and the Netherlands in the 90's.

[Chongmal]

Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.

Perhaps try Ukraine. I had no visa requirement. Flew in with prebooked transportation from airport to avoid the ripoff taxis. Seemed like 60% of the ladies in the clubs I visited were working, many ladies available via Tinder and some of the most beautiful redheads I have ever seen.

[Steve 9696]

FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.

https://www.fkkparadise.de


Steve 9696,

Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.

My questions to you are:

Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.

Sorry no visa tips. Mine is a business visa.

Try messaging Dramafree11 for Russia non-club tips. He seems to love the incall scene in Moscow and Ukraine. I prefer to meet girls in a club when I can. You might just poke the Moscow or Kiev thread — he is probably reading it.

[Mr Ho]

Next time, ask one of them to take a sip.

They get to taste my sperm nowadays LOL!

[Sirioja]

For sure, speaking Russian is a very big plus with real Russian or even Ukrainian, Latvian, Belarus, Estonian, Lithuanian girls who feel much more comfortable then, opening with big smile, and big help for sweet words for intimacy. And a Russian girl speaking Russian in bed is so erotic.

[Bfsie]

FKK Paradise in Saarbrcken opens on Monday, Sept. 7. It is close to French border.

https://www.fkkparadise.de


Steve 9696,

Nice reports. Thank you. I was contemplating to monger in Russia for a while and then found out it is pain in the ass to get Russian Visa with US passport.

My questions to you are:

Is any easier way to get Russian visa?

Did you visit any other types of sex establishments besides strip clubs. If so, how were they?

I heard that language would be a big problem if you want to visit apartment brothels or something like that there. How did you deal with the language barrier?

Thanks a lot.

[The Cane]

Hi did post these reports in the Russia Thread. I am glad that he posted them here so at least there is something to read, as nothing is going on in German FKKs, and I would normally never look at the Russia thread. Also, this is the Lounge and Chat area, so there is wider latitude as to what to post. Let's not discourage people from posting info. Easy enough to just skip if of no interest.

Nobody is discouraging anybody from posting. Rather, we all should be encouraged to post in the appropriate sections. If he posted in the Moscow section good, and if he thought people here who never look at the Russia threads might be interested, then again he could have and should have posted a link from here to there. We have some posting discipline and etiquette, and everyone is happy. Is that so hard? I agree that in the lounge there should be more latitude in topics, but it's still possible to take it too far, especially when there are already existing, established threads on the exact same subject. So yes, let's all be encouraged to post of course. But if you have a lot to say on a particular subject or region or city or whatever, please let's put that in the threads that are set up for those subjects. I'm sure Steve understands as he was annoyed at people posting here about the pandemic. I personally feel that was far more appropriate for a thread like this versus going on and on about London, Moscow, or Brazil. Well, eventually threads were set up specifically for discussions around the virus, and we can see posters respecting that. We got those threads in part from complaints from people like Steve. Now, some of us here would appreciate it if he would show others the same kind of consideration. That's all.