German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pessimist]

The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.

Wow, $25 grand is a lot. That is $300 K annually, for just one girl. Even if my net worth was $10 M, I would not be willing to part 3% of it annually for sex w / just one girl. Perhaps if I had $100 M I might, but that will not happen in this life for me, so there is that.

Yeah, I imagine the concept of sugarbabe must have existed for a long time whatever they were called. Mistress, doxy, concubine, live in lover, kept woman. As in everything else, internet democratized this, expanded supply and brought in more girls, and probably reduced the prices.

The most I have ever been asked is 10 grand for a month, and that happened only a few times. I quickly filtered such girls out. Obviously, I am not as rich (or profligate) as that rich dude who offered $25 K / month.

[Lucky Nuts]

Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!

I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).

Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?

It has already been set up Mr. Ho and it's called the Chicken Ranch. Here's a link.

https://chickenranchbrothel.com/ladies/

[Bfsie]

I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.

From 80's until early this century, you could find some ads of illegal brothels in the newspaper "The Village Voice" for "high-class" girls. At that time, the cheapest places were in Jackson Heights, Queens, New York, where a lot of illegal Latino immigrants who were eager to sell themselves for money were and the standard price was $30 for 20 minutes (later raised to $35). You could actually find some real Latin beauties with very sexy body there.

The most expensive sex establishment I have been to in my life is an illegal members-only sex club in New York. The hourly rate of the girls there was from $1000 to $1500. Remember that was the price over 20 years ago. Almost all the girls were aspiring models or actresses with superior optics. I was not a member of the club and was introduced by a 19-year-old girl who worked there and whom I knew and did. She later on became the sugar baby of a rich dude who paid her $20,000 or $25,000 per month (because I can't remember exactly which amount she told me anymore). Pessimist, we already had sugarbabie market over 20 years ago LOL.

[Turgid]

...............I left New York city 17 years ago. When I lived in NY, if you were relatively young and good looking, it was possible to have sex with the strippers after they finished their work and you could take them home. Of course, you had to be good looking and relatively young. How is the sex scene in NYC nowaday?

I had really good sex with NYC hookers in the 1970's and 1980's. Then again I was younger. But then came Rudy Giuliani. Nowadays if you live there you can have ok coitus with escorts, not as enjoyable as in FKKs and more expensive. The internet has reviews of massage parlors and the like. There is a site that has reviews of MPs, I have forgotten the name something to do with maps, google should help.

[Mongerer88]

You guys are always trying to compare the organized system of Germany (particularly the ultimate organized system of the FKKs) to an organized system in the United States, but that doesn't work.

The USA Has been on the attack against anything organized when it comes to commercial sex for a decade or two. So the USA System has become a disorganized system with prices all over the place that doesn't yield itself to comparisons. And for guys who like to hang out at a place, there is little or nothing in existence.

The legal Nevada brothels are an extraordinarily small part of the overall scene. Clinical and ridiculously overpriced and not reflective of the price per hour paid by most Johns in the USA For commercial sex.

Zoning laws and threats of zoning revocations for places known to provide sex in back rooms have destroyed strip clubs. And little changes in zoning like buffers between the customers and guys have made enforcement of violations easier. They are largely worthless now.

Same with massage parlors. Many places require all kinds of professional licensing for a business to operate.

The federal government did so many asset seizures of escort agencies where ladies cross state lines that big multi-state escort agencies no longer exist.

And for the lower-priced ladies, the Fosta / Sesta law and the seizure of Backpage destroyed the efficiency of mass advertising.

So the USA Scene is primarily independent escorts with their own websites, a few local intrastate escort agencies in relatively friendly jurisdictions, Sugar Babies, and a very few small classified mass-advertisement websites. Prices are all over the place, and "regulars" get much better deals in terms of prices and level of services. A lot of new experiences for Johns come from referrals from existing sex workers. The only Organization is that the sex workers themselves maintain good contacts with each other, mostly because the scene requires screening of customers.

So it is really impossible to compare the organized scene in Germany to the widely varying disorganized scene in the USA I suppose the only possible advantage of the disorganized scene is that it has become basically impossible for further attack by law enforcement without getting to a level of intrusiveness that even the general public would object to. And it no longer relies on the government for its continued existence, as is the case with German FKKs.

The USA Scene as it now exists isn't what guys who like FKKs are looking for, but it does exist beyond Nevada brothels and strip clubs.

[Sirioja]

Megan will be 25 soon. If You saw new German Sofia with far prettier face than Linda. When I see American women, even maybe Mexicans and Puerto Ricans in US clubs, but I doubt for same level of looks.

If paid sex worth in US with beauties who could compete with Romanians, then US would not need to fly and pay expensive to come to enjoy FKK land and regret so much, frustrated when closed. Some pretty Mexicans or Puerto Ricans, when American women are pretty in films, but so many fat and silicon. Same for me, if I had a club in France with French beauties who can compete with Romanians, French women can compete and stay prettier when getting older, not a strip club like Hustler or Pink paradise David Guetta, then I won t drive to FKK land. When I met 14 Russian escorts on July 2014, now and nothing about virus, I m happy when I succeed to find one as pretty as my best Romanians in FKK land, even I don t find many pretty in FKK land, but since Amour Russe was stopped by police raid, even they are rare for me, but FKK land is best place to find beauties. Not only Germany for FKK land. Wait and see for what will happen for Artemis which tell to increase entry to 90, like at GT Vienna, but do they have allowance and how for health safety?

[Mr Ho]

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...orks-in-nevada

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

1000 USD per hour in USA brothel is 100 Euro per hour in German FKK LOL!

US has good access to Mexican girls though or you can actually just go to Mexico to fuck some nice Mexican beauties there? Are there any nice set up in Mexico across the border with stunner level Mexican girls?

For rest of my life, I will frequent FKK, it was the set up I have been searching for and I found it when I was 29 years old in 2009 and I am still excited each time I go. Fucking new beautiful stunner level girl is one of very few things I do not get bored even though I have done it so many times. Many other things in life you can get bored with easily, but not fucking new beautiful stunner level girls.

Aren't we lucky as a man? What we dreamed of when we were teen became into reality. I have been mongering the best girls since age 17, but it was always harder to find stunner girls before as I only go with stunners, but when I found FKK, number of stunners I find and I fucked accelerated. FKK is truly the best platform of brothel out there. Thanks to Germany, Switzerland and Austria. It is something to do with German speaking country and freedom like access to good sex with good quality girls. German speakers are kinky LOL!

[ExpatLover]

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on TV and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

EL: less and less girls from Romania or Bulgaria are entering the prostitution, since 2015 so few new and fresh girls in the FKK, mostly always the same veteran around even only 24 YO, I am often travelling in Hungary, Romania and I can tell there are a lot of very sexy and fresh girls but they find a better way to make their living that to open their legs and mouth to everyone willing to pay 50 euros. With the covid and the new closing of the boarders like today Hungary.

(by car you need to cross Hungary if you want to go to Austria, Germany, Switzerland) I don t believe the LU will be great in the FKK, the nice and clever girls don t want to put their health at risk only the desperate will prostitute.

[Alessandro527]

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

I find the entry which in most cases is 75 and 90 in Artemis way too much for what I get for free in FKK club. Only very few visitors have 3 meals as you mentioned and many don't even try the food which in most cases is fast food level. The professional massage is 1 euro per minute so not free. What is left? Swim and have sauna and watch Bundesliga? Even the naked girls you get so used to them after 10 minutes. I don't even know why we pay entry, when we have to pay for the girls, the drinks etc. I would rather prefer a flat rate entrance with minimum time, in example fuck, drink and eat as much as you can in 4 hours. I would happily pay for that.

[Kawaii50]

I do not see a point in these strip clubs in USA. You basically go there to get boner and go home LOL. At least the club could do is offer BBBJ service for extra 100 USD, which already is rip off compare to Germany.

https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...orks-in-nevada

In a Nevada brothel, Full sex at Dennis Hof's brothels, which has better looking girls, charge $1,000 per hour. The girl has to pays 50% of what she makes to the club.

The main reason, Nevada or any US city would never have FKK is too many religious people would never allow it and there is no easy source of girls to work in the clubs for $50. Germany, Austria, Switzerland have easy access to poor girls from Romania, Bulgaria and many other East European countries where 50 Euros is a lot of money to them.

FKK to me more a of relaxation club and cannot be compared to a strip club. For $60 Euro, You can come early eat breakfast, lunch and dinner. Enjoy dry sauna, steam sauna, professional massage, swimming pool, watch sports on tv and full bar. With 100's of fully naked young women ranging from girl next door to absolute stunner walking around ready to have sex is the icing on the cake.

I dream of COVID to be over, clubs reopen and all of us enjoy FKK again.

[Pistons]

A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road.

It is interesting that you say that. Like at one of my first sales jobs, my boss always called us prostitutes. LOL. That was how I realized there was no difference. So I do believe sales people are having an easier time understanding the hardships of the work P6 or stripper girls have to live with. And sales people might also therefore have less prejudice towards this type of work.

[Pessimist]

Sorry, don't mean to be trolling here but this is probably of some interest to US old timers.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ual-misconduct

I was never a fan of this guy but he has his share. I am surprised he is sill able to get it up after so much fucking, get it Hard enough enough to be are a p in g these girls as per the allegations. He has been forever out of shape as we all know.

[Pessimist]

A while ago, quite a few of my co-workers, especially the sales guys, would occasionally or even frequently head out to a local strip club after a long day at work when on road. Even the lady co workers would join them. Now? Forget it! This is definitely one area where feminist influence has been seen in US work place

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But younger generations are largely eschewing strip clubs and company-expensed strip club business meetings are a thing of the past due to workplace changes. Recently, sportswear maker Under Armour told employees they could no longer write off expenses for strip club visits, with the Wall Street Journal reporting employees being told that "strip-club visits were symptomatic of practices women at Under Armour found demeaning. ".

The lack of millennial may face a bigger challenge for adult entertainment outlets. "The Baby Boomers are retiring. They were for 20 years an amazing customer base," Alan Markovitz who operates gentlemen's clubs in four states recently told the BBC. "The millennial are not coming to the strip clubs that much. That's the issue."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48667681

https://www.foxbusiness.com/industri...h-to-save-them

[Mr Ho]

If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.

Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.

If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.

Alright, it would be good business to set up FKK like set up in Nevada and call it "United colors of college tuition fee support center" LOL!

I am not that into Thai girls, but I do like Eurasian (mixed blood, half white, half Asian), which are rare bleed to find in Thailand or any nations in Asia actually, but now and them, I manage to find Eurasian stunner (About 1 to 3 per year and I am constantly in search for them in the mongering market).

Having said that, I am glad we all know where is the best places for mongering and we just have to fly. And hey, it is nice we travel at the same time of mongering, it kind of have synergy affect and make the trips we take more memorable. Only down side is we mostly only go to same countries or even same cities when we take our trips LOL! But at least when we see or hear Berlin, Frankfurt, NRW cities or Zurich, it put smile on our face as these cities are filled with amazing obscene memories that we cherish for life. Isn't it great?

[Lucky Nuts]

What stops American entrepreneur to open maybe not the same, but similar set up as FKK in USA? Legal restriction? But I thought in Nevada and some states, prostitution is legal, so something similar to FKK set up can be done if some entrepreneur is brave as Larryflynt.

If it was possible it would have been done. Only one state, Nevada, allows prostitution and then the counties within that state need to pass a law allowing businesses to provide the service. Highly populated counties do not vote to allow so a handful of sparsely populated counties about an hour outside of Las Vegas do have legal prostitution. It's a widely believed fallacy that prostitution is legal in Las Vegas. Yes it's available if you know where and how to look but it's not either legal or encouraged. A few years ago it was more tolerated in all casino bars to have working girls hanging around but most places no longer allow them to take up space. Some casinos still tolerate them if the girls are not too obvious about it and act like they are interested in playing the gambling machine at their bar seat.

Regarding strip clubs I think "value" might depend on whether you are a drinking and party kind of guy or not. Because I am I go to Pattaya as well even though the hottest girls will rarely leave with me for sex (because I'm not Asian). Still I love the vibe and energy of being in that loud and wild agogo bar environment. And for a party Spearmint Rhino Vegas on a Friday night makes an Pattaya gogo bar seem dull by comparison. The energy in the place is just off the chart. And like fishing sometimes you're able to hook something to take home and eat. So yeah if you just want a quiet evening and easy sex the FKKs are perfect for you. If you want a wild party time and a challenge to find sex Vegas is a great.

If you're really looking for sex in Vegas though don't go to strip clubs. Look at the main bars in each casino very late at night for single girls in high heels playing machines.