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07-23-20 22:19 #16766
Posts: 2073Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
So yes, "failed experiment" might employ them giving up entirely. Clearly what the government did was reassess, and introduce stricter legislation in an attempt to curb the problem (I. E. all WGs must register, all WGs must provide physical permanent address and not sleep in club etc). But if the attempts to curb the problem are not successful, then what?
"When the law changed to decriminalize brothels there really was widespread support. Many people naively believed that legalization and regulation would turn prostitution into a supposedly 'normal' kind of business. In the past five years, however, theres been a shift back towards a broader consensus in the other direction, as we realize that things have gotten worse, that there are victims of trafficking still. Its as if abuse is now carrying on with a legalized varnish."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-03-25/amsterdam-s-latest-quest-to-tame-legalized-prostitution.Job Cohen said he doesn't want prostitution or drugs recriminalized, but would like to shutdown the shops showcasing the prostitutes from behind glass windows.
Hesaid a move in 2000 to legalize prostitution failed to curb gangsters running Amsterdam's sex trade.
Legalization "didn't bring us what we hoped and expected," he told reporters at the upscale Krasnapolsky Hotel on Dam Square, which backs onto the red-light district.
"We want in part to reverse it, especially with regard to the exploitation of women in the sex industry," he said.
Officials fear women are being forced into prostitution, something that legalization was supposed to prevent.
"We have seen in the last years that women trafficking has becoming more, so in this respect the legalizing of the prostitution didn't work out," Cohen said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mayor-unveils-plan-to-clean-up-amsterdam-s-red-light-district-1.674880
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07-23-20 19:43 #16765
Posts: 22264Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
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07-23-20 18:57 #16764
Posts: 6686What was the website you guys were following to find the latest news on potential FKK openings in Germany?
I do hear SS is hot right now, and the Austrian clubs are improving. But I'm still a bit on the fence here.
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07-23-20 13:52 #16763
Posts: 5657Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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07-23-20 02:46 #16762
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
I read the 2017 laws as trying to improve on the prior bills, and not as a change of heart. I see a contradiction in your language. You call it "a failed experiment" in their perception, but then use the phrase "correct the miscalculations". Very few people expect a new experiment to succeed 100%, completely. After a while, they make an assessment and make changes to improve it, which you suggested with your phrase "correct the miscalculations". But "failed experiment" is too dramatic. If they had believed the entire thing is a failure, they would have made much more dramatic changes and not simply "don't suck dick with no condom" rules which as we all know is completely and universally violated as long as the girl is enticed with a longer session or more money if the monger is an Asian visitor.
I lean towards the view they prefer prostitution in a safe and legal establishment and would let it continue when the Covid situation is under control.
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07-23-20 02:32 #16761
Posts: 566Legalization and foreign women
If former Warsaw Pact countries were already EU members before the 2002 law was passed or German legislators decided to write the law years later (like after 2008), do you think it be the same or there will be differences? IMO they might make it harder for sex businesses (including escort agencies) to hire foreign girls or operate independently, especially from hot trafficking spots like Romania or Russia. They might introduce fines for customers who see trafficked girls like in the UK or even jail time. What do you think?
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07-23-20 02:26 #16760
Posts: 7321Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
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07-22-20 20:30 #16759
Posts: 2073How the Legalization Argument was won in 2002
Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
"The idea of the law, passed by Chancellor Gerhard Schrders Social Democrat-Green coalition, was to recognise prostitution as a job like any other. Sex workers could now enter into employment contracts, sue for payment and register for health insurance, pension plans and other benefits. Exploiting prostitutes was still criminal but everything else was now above board. Two female politicians and a Berlin madam were pictured clinking their champagne glasses in celebration."
https://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/welcome-to-paradise/.
"The desired effect for sex workers has not been achieved. Sex workers have not made use of their rights. Only one percent of sex workers have signed a legal work contract. A survey conducted by the Social Science Research Institute on Women's Studies at Freiburg's Protestant University of Applied Sciences also showed that the overwhelming majority of state-regulated health insurance companies and pension schemes do not list prostitution as a profession."
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-introduces-unpopular-prostitution-law/a-39511761
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07-22-20 11:33 #16758
Posts: 717Originally Posted by Polyamorist [View Original Post]
It's always very typical and funny how hypocritical those leftwing parties are: preaching "diversity, tolerance and freedom" but once in power they start to outlaw and censor everything and everybody.
I'm afraid that the Swedish model (also ruled by leftwing social democrats for decades) for P6 will be introduced in Europe, and CV19 is the prefect scapegoat but the naive Germans still blindly trust their politicians and government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg_Parliament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GroenLinks
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07-22-20 03:51 #16757
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by McAdonis [View Original Post]
(Please go light on feminist bashing and rants. Not you McA, but others).
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07-22-20 03:45 #16756
Posts: 1385Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
Yes, that was my first thought too. If all the tutes are in one building, it makes selection easier. However, this is being forced upon them and not with any good intent to help or make the sex business flourish. It is obviously to clean up the sex district and transform it like Time Square from 1990's to now.
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07-22-20 01:52 #16755
Posts: 811Originally Posted by Pistons [View Original Post]
Looks like they are going to shut down Amsterdam the same way they are shutting down Hamburg. Using the usual umbrella excuse: COVID-19. There is no tute on earth naive enough to believe any intervention of this kind can be anything but destruction.
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. " -- Someone Who Loved Government So Much he Took It Over And Grew It 60%.
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07-21-20 22:13 #16754
Posts: 6686Originally Posted by Pessimist [View Original Post]
And this is exactly what we have been saying here on a FKK boards for a long time! FKK some red light window or a stinky building.
This 'hotel' will probably end up like an FKK.
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07-21-20 22:06 #16753
Posts: 6686Originally Posted by PaulInZurich [View Original Post]
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07-21-20 15:58 #16752
Posts: 2371Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]