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Originally Posted by Shark16
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No sorry, this is where you go wrong. Wellcum is in Austria where BBBJ is standard service without any upcharge at all. No condom law in Austria. Except for GT Vienna and other FKK clubs in Vienna, and Mystic in Salzburg, where management accept upsells for this (and other) services. Funny, ain't it?
I confirm BBBJ is very standard at Wellcum with no extra asked, many girls telling: I don't kiss but I suck good, when I can have a wow room without BJ but for sure not without passionate french kissing, from my model of sex. BBBJ is still very standard in Germany, at least for me and even in NRW for 50 per 30. French kissing is easier in Germany than at Wellcum and less small pussies, at least for girls who are attractive for me.
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Originally Posted by Shark16
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No sorry, this is where you go wrong. Wellcum is in Austria where BBBJ is standard service without any upcharge at all. No condom law in Austria. Except for GT Vienna and other FKK clubs in Vienna, and Mystic in Salzburg, where management accept upsells for this (and other) services. Funny, ain't it?
Thanks for the correction, I had the clear memory of 70€ CBJ with 20€ for BBBJ but I was probably mistaken.
Good reason for going back to the Wellcum for refreshing my memory!
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No sorry, this is where you go wrong. Wellcum is in Austria where BBBJ is standard service without any upcharge at all. No condom law in Austria. Except for GT Vienna and other FKK clubs in Vienna, and Mystic in Salzburg, where management accept upsells for this (and other) services. Funny, ain't it?
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Originally Posted by Shark16
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Your argument is well taken, but it really depends on how you ride:
- At Wellcum you can easily have a 30 mnts session for 70 E with a top shelf girl with BBBJ / DATY / CFS and no shortchange of time. Personally I do not see that happen at Sharks (unless you are lucky or a good player).
- At Wellcum you can have same option at 140 E for 60 mnts. It is comparable with 150 E /60 at Sharks, and there is a fair chance that a girl at Sharks will provide DFK in that price (but no guarantee). French kissing at Wellcum is rarer, but far from impossible to get (and IME usually at a 20- 30 E upcharge).
Now, the interesting part is the minor kinky stuff that Italians like: COB / COT / BLS / Fingering (p or a). I have had many sessions at Wellcum where one or several of those services were provided without any upcharge. I just can't see that happen at Sharks. Not to the same extent anyway.
I find the many 200E/60 reports from Sharks disturbing (even though the going rate is still 150E/60). I am yet to hear the same from Wellcum. The management at Wellcum seems a lot more hands on with regard to upsell attempts, while the 2017 law makes the Sharks management unable to do anything about it. It is worth noting going forward.
Let my try to be humble here: Around 15+ sessions in the last two years at Wellcum do not make me a Wellcum expert at all. My data can be somewhat inaccurate. Still, I think it's a more accurate response than the hilarious "low quality sex" claimed by others.
I prefer to pay 200/60 for my 2 Sharks girls wow look and real GFE who are on higher level than Ukrainian escorts in Paris and prettier more natural and more fresh GFE than at Globe, rather than 140/60 for Italian standards and most looks I saw at Wellcum, less expensive for me when quality worth more expensive for me. How too many girls and 2 Italian girls I heard telling: Italians don t kiss for sex, when they prefer to chat a lot. Yes, low level sex at Wellcum compare to Germany, from my many visits experience since 2019 , when I visited on 2020 and 2021 , when I love too much Zoncolan. I found only 1 real GFE, Lena. Ro on 2017 , so much kissing, we could have whole day, but she thought I was crazy, taking breakfast, no sex, driving 100 kms to Zoncolan, returning, then love sex giving me pillow to put under her ass and wide opening. I remember when we finished, when light was on in club.
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Originally Posted by Shark16
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Your argument is well taken, but it really depends on how you ride:
- At Wellcum you can easily have a 30 mnts session for 70 E with a top shelf girl with BBBJ / DATY / CFS and no shortchange of time. Personally I do not see that happen at Sharks (unless you are lucky or a good player).
- At Wellcum you can have same option at 140 E for 60 mnts. It is comparable with 150 E /60 at Sharks, and there is a fair chance that a girl at Sharks will provide DFK in that price (but no guarantee). French kissing at Wellcum is rarer, but far from impossible to get (and IME usually at a 20- 30 E upcharge).
Now, the interesting part is the minor kinky stuff that Italians like: COB / COT / BLS / Fingering (p or a). I have had many sessions at Wellcum where one or several of those services were provided without any upcharge. I just can't see that happen at Sharks. Not to the same extent anyway.
I find the many 200E/60 reports from Sharks disturbing (even though the going rate is still 150E/60). I am yet to hear the same from Wellcum. The management at Wellcum seems a lot more hands on with regard to upsell attempts, while the 2017 law makes the Sharks management unable to do anything about it. It is worth noting going forward.
Let my try to be humble here: Around 15+ sessions in the last two years at Wellcum do not make me a Wellcum expert at all. My data can be somewhat inaccurate. Still, I think it's a more accurate response than the hilarious "low quality sex" claimed by others.
Right on. I share the same experience. Noteworthy is the sometimes quoted 30 e for DFK in half hour rooms. I've never been charged that for 1 hour rooms. CBJ seems to be a rare ask from the girls as it not technically like in Germany.
Like yourselfI'm not particularly attached to Welcum or have personal attachments. I have not clocked nearly as many visits there as at Sharks or other German clubs. While Sharks was so great for a few years, easily my favorite for a while, it has lost its luster with management's lack of ability to regulate the girls. In 2016 and 2017, I knew of girls routinely being asked not to come back due to their behavior with clients and other girls. Now since the 2017 German law and the post-covid decline in girls, it seems that that management lets the new girls get away with anything. Their business model is to let as many girls in as possible to collect entries and the men will follow. It's a successful model but has resulted in the current situation where quality is diluted, prices doubled, and land minds are more prevalent than ever.
Besides the convenient location argument and a poster's desire to be the definitive voice of FKK knowledge, there are not many arguments that can justify a case for Sharks being a superior club than Welcum.
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Thanks!
Originally Posted by Sirioja
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Covid is back in Western EU like in China. Minus 7 degrees at night and icy on autobahn when I drove from Basel border to Darmstadt on last Saturday night. Despite real quattro, not bad asian electronics haldex, I did sweat more than when climbing Ventoux famous forrest few hours before. Super soft tires don t like icy but play sliding. Christmas, new year and January are worst times for FKK land, but should find few interesting girls at Gold, Penelope, Goldengate, Sixens stuck to Aachen. Better to visit from Thursday to Sunday and at night for Penelope.
Really appreciate the input, Sirioja. I would not be able to get time off from work if I miss January LOL. So decided to take a chance. Will visit Penelope and Gold, thanks again.
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Originally Posted by Pessimist
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His writings are not easy to understand but I think he prefers a few specific girls and goes where they are. Doesn't seem to have club preferences, at least no unswerving allegiances. But I am sure the man will reply to your query, although his clarification will be as easy to understand as his original comment LOL.
He likes old women, we like young beauties, so the fundamental taste is too different, women are not like wines, women get uglier as they get older especially in brothel with hard knock life of theirs LOL!
In real life too, I find younger girls much more nicer both looks and also personality than old women who are miserable and bitter LOL!
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What airport do you fly in to for Wellkum and do you need to rent a car?
Originally Posted by Shark16
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Your argument is well taken, but it really depends on how you ride:
- At Wellcum you can easily have a 30 mnts session for 70 E with a top shelf girl with BBBJ / DATY / CFS and no shortchange of time. Personally I do not see that happen at Sharks (unless you are lucky or a good player).
- At Wellcum you can have same option at 140 E for 60 mnts. It is comparable with 150 E /60 at Sharks, and there is a fair chance that a girl at Sharks will provide DFK in that price (but no guarantee). French kissing at Wellcum is rarer, but far from impossible to get (and IME usually at a 20- 30 E upcharge).
Now, the interesting part is the minor kinky stuff that Italians like: COB / COT / BLS / Fingering (p or a). I have had many sessions at Wellcum where one or several of those services were provided without any upcharge. I just can't see that happen at Sharks. Not to the same extent anyway.
I find the many 200E/60 reports from Sharks disturbing (even though the going rate is still 150E/60). I am yet to hear the same from Wellcum. The management at Wellcum seems a lot more hands on with regard to upsell attempts, while the 2017 law makes the Sharks management unable to do anything about it. It is worth noting going forward.
Let my try to be humble here: Around 15+ sessions in the last two years at Wellcum do not make me a Wellcum expert at all. My data can be somewhat inaccurate. Still, I think it's a more accurate response than the hilarious "low quality sex" claimed by others.
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Not my experience in Austria as there is no law there. Seems others do not share that CBJ experience.
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon22
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I can't tell from your posts if you think Wellcum is better than most places in Germany or not?
If you are on US low level standards, you can enjoy suck and fuck for Italians at Wellcum, but for my french standards, Wellcum girls have low level for sex and far below than in Germany. In Austria, I would advice you to go to Vienna or Salzburg.
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Session fees at Sharks vs. Wellcum
Originally Posted by Hyperion2007
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Wellcum is literally more expensive than Sharks on every aspects: one hour full service is 160 minimum when Sharks it's 150.
Your argument is well taken, but it really depends on how you ride:
- At Wellcum you can easily have a 30 mnts session for 70 E with a top shelf girl with BBBJ / DATY / CFS and no shortchange of time. Personally I do not see that happen at Sharks (unless you are lucky or a good player).
- At Wellcum you can have same option at 140 E for 60 mnts. It is comparable with 150 E /60 at Sharks, and there is a fair chance that a girl at Sharks will provide DFK in that price (but no guarantee). French kissing at Wellcum is rarer, but far from impossible to get (and IME usually at a 20- 30 E upcharge).
Now, the interesting part is the minor kinky stuff that Italians like: COB / COT / BLS / Fingering (p or a). I have had many sessions at Wellcum where one or several of those services were provided without any upcharge. I just can't see that happen at Sharks. Not to the same extent anyway.
I find the many 200E/60 reports from Sharks disturbing (even though the going rate is still 150E/60). I am yet to hear the same from Wellcum. The management at Wellcum seems a lot more hands on with regard to upsell attempts, while the 2017 law makes the Sharks management unable to do anything about it. It is worth noting going forward.
Let my try to be humble here: Around 15+ sessions in the last two years at Wellcum do not make me a Wellcum expert at all. My data can be somewhat inaccurate. Still, I think it's a more accurate response than the hilarious "low quality sex" claimed by others.
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon22
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I can't tell from your posts if you think Wellcum is better than most places in Germany or not?
His writings are not easy to understand but I think he prefers a few specific girls and goes where they are. Doesn't seem to have club preferences, at least no unswerving allegiances. But I am sure the man will reply to your query, although his clarification will be as easy to understand as his original comment LOL.
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Like I said, consider your source.
Originally Posted by BlueMoon22
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I can't tell from your posts if you think Wellcum is better than most places in Germany or not?
Dude, I'll reinforce this statement. For certain individuals, the club recommended has been a revolving door of whatever club has the one girl that strokes that ego. If a single girl scorns hum, it suddenly becomes a terrible club. One minute, "only tourist pay certain prices" another minute ""200 e for a beauty. ".
But for an actual somewhat objective summary, Sharks is your easy option. Frankfurt is the easy airport. There are many other clubs near by. It's a great starter club due to sheer size and volume. There will be hotties providing good service and there will be ripoffs.
I recommended Welcum because since Frankfurt clubs increased their prices without giving more in return, I felt that the previously more expensive Welcum surpassed Sharks in logical places to visit. I have never felt extorted at Welcum or that the girl was milking me for more cash without service in return. The worse case a new girl who was a deadfish but you will find some of that at all clubs.
Sharks on the other hand is a free for all. In metaphor, Sharks used to be IKEA but has recently become a bit of a haggling Bazaar while Welcum remains a more upscale regional retailer.
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Originally Posted by EscapeArtist
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Never heard of your quoted 160 per hour price at Welcum. 70 e per half hour last I know.
70 is CBJ.
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Originally Posted by Sirioja
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70 per 30 at Wellcum and less upselling than at Sharks on 2022 , but except for foods, higher GFE quality for few girls at Sharks, when I prefer to pay 200/60 for a french hands made Bugatti or a rare elegant German than 140/60 for very average, when I m not a 30 minutes rabbit. For a quality guy, Wellcum is very average for sex quality. I don t advice, except on Summer for the show in garden, but Freubad. Ch is far higher level.
I can't tell from your posts if you think Wellcum is better than most places in Germany or not?
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