German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

I doubt, but would be good point in this crisis if peste / pimps leave girls because they don't make money, but problem is these lazy guys are not able to work to make money, so they need women to get money.

And thanks to them that they send girls we fuck into FKK and in reality we give money to these guys and that is why they supply us girls.

[Sirioja]

I don't think you are correct when you say that the virus has not come to Germany and US, or that it came later. Like mentioned before, the virus has been in the USA and Germany longer than in France, Spain, and Italy; it was just more well controlled due to either culture, health of the people, or just large geography like in America. Germany now has over 95 K cases (more than France) and the USA has over 300 K. For whatever reason, the outcomes of the disease is just worse in France, Spain, and Italy. Percentage of people dying are 8-12% versus 1-3% in Germany and America. The virus has already been there, the latter countries are just doing a better job of treating the sick. The virus has already been spreading in Germany and America, and has been for longer, but these countries will not have the death rate of France, Spain, or Italy, not even half as much.

I was telling about Germany, ask German doctors who are waiting for the virus peak wave. I told US became the worst country at the moment under virus and total panic and big unemployment. I doubt FKK will reopen very soon.

[TankTank123]

If they have 1% infected now, they could have 90% by summer given the exponential nature of the contagion.

Nope. If they do as well as Germany in limiting the rate of increase to 10%, they will reach 90% in 47 days time, and not in summer. Assuming they do worse and the increase is 15%, they will reach 90% by the beginning of May.

But in reality, it might not reach 90% as the logistic function takes over at some stage (herd immunity).

[Pessimist]

I don't think you are correct when you say that the virus has not come to Germany and US, or that it came later. Like mentioned before, the virus has been in the USA and Germany longer than in France, Spain, and Italy; it was just more well controlled due to either culture, health of the people, or just large geography like in America. Germany now has over 95 K cases (more than France) and the USA has over 300 K. For whatever reason, the outcomes of the disease is just worse in France, Spain, and Italy. Percentage of people dying are 8-12% versus 1-3% in Germany and America. The virus has already been there, the latter countries are just doing a better job of treating the sick. The virus has already been spreading in Germany and America, and has been for longer, but these countries will not have the death rate of France, Spain, or Italy, not even half as much.

Current death rate in US is 2.7%, 8400+ dead of 310 K infected, as of this minute. The death rate is a bit of a lagging indicator. For example, even if not a single new person gets infected from now on, some out of the current 310 K infected will die, and hence the denominator stays constant but numerator will grow. We can only know what is the true death rate when this thing is completely behind us. Most experts think true death rate is between 0. 6% to 1%, and it is also quite clear that many infected people are never really counted because many of them are asymptotic and never tested.

I agree the low infection rates in poor countries mean nothing. There is no testing to speak of. I agree with the dude who said below that India and Africa and parts of Latin America will eventually see very high infection rates. Of course, they do not have the ability to test and they will claim they never had a large amount of Corona problem but many people will die of course.

I think in Italy there were many old people, and this virus is deadly for the old people. So that is one reason for Italy's high death rate. In fact, Wall Street Journal had an article which showed that for every death which was recorded as caused by Corona, nearly 2 other people died in Italy since January but they were classified as natural deaths. In all the regions badly impacted by Corona in Italy, there has been a huge spike in deaths in 2020 as compared to previous years. Only 1/3 of such deaths this year are being classified as Corona related. Many people are quietly dying at home, never got tested.

The other reason for high death rate May be that it was focused in one region. So, there was a large stress on healthcare system in that region and many infected people did not receive proper treatment. This happened in China too. Death rate in Wuhan was very high but outside Wuhan death rate was very low. Most of the infected people in Wuhan didn't receive proper treatment because the # cases exceeded local health system's capacity.

Even in US, death rate in NY is like 3.3%, higher than country's death rate. Part of the reason is that there are so many cases and putting stress on the care system. NYC has probably the very best healthcare in the world with Colombia Presbyterian, NYU, Weil Cornell, and so many other great hospitals with truly world class experts. But even the best expert can't care for so many cases at once and if sufficient number of ventilators and other equipment is not available.

I have no idea why death rate is high in France. Perhaps even over there, too many old people are dying? Havenot been following Corona issue in France, as most of our attention here has been on US, and then Italy and (Korea and China, to figure out lessons from their experience).

[Mr Ho]

My, my, my God. What has my Gina done to herself? She has transformed herself from that sweet-looking, beautiful girl in the neighborhood that all the boys want to marry into a hardened-looking prostitute! My Lord God Gina! What have you done to yourself?

Gina told me that she had "grown up". I was like yes, I guess you have!.

This happen to all girls whether if they are prostitute or normal girl.

When they are in her 20's, she looks amazing.

But once she hit 30's, girls begin to harden up both in personality and look. As you mention their face become like frankenstein, kind of harden up and become more tough mean looks. No more sweetness or tenderness, but hard look. Also the attitude become more harden as well, but looks especially. I wonder why but I think it is from life lessons they got and that reflect in their looks and attitude.

It is like the movie gremlin. They once are cute gizmo, but you put water on them they become gremlin, this formula is same for women but not water, they become age 30 or around that and suddenly they begin to look like gremlin.

[Sirioja]

Pretty sure the girls' loverboys will abandon them now they can't make money off them. And the dealers can't sell cocaine to them any more.

The girls should have figured out who their true friends are: customers! If a girl built up a good list of loyal clients on her phone, she would still be in business.

I doubt, but would be good point in this crisis if peste / pimps leave girls because they don't make money, but problem is these lazy guys are not able to work to make money, so they need women to get money.

[Polyamorist]

That cannot bode well when you don't have much of a health system to begin with. I guess Africa's young average age will help them though.

The young are infected easily but the virus is hidden in them. Africa doesn't have test kits or much of anything. So the disease will spread without check. If they have 1% infected now, they could have 90% by summer given the exponential nature of the contagion. Same with India.

Meanwhile the rich countries will get it under control. But they will be obsessed with preventing a resurgence. No travel will be permitted from highly infected countries. Maybe not even imports. The gap between rich and poor countries will be much greater than hitherto.

[Polyamorist]

Crisis will be for many people around the world, girls should understand this is fast big money business, but this is not a real job. Peste / pimps must be hungry and angry at the moment.

Pretty sure the girls' loverboys will abandon them now they can't make money off them. And the dealers can't sell cocaine to them any more.

The girls should have figured out who their true friends are: customers! If a girl built up a good list of loyal clients on her phone, she would still be in business.

[Mursenary]

I don't think so many Romanians not living in Germany, meaning no flat in Germany, stayed in Germany, but they should learn to save money when they make higher earnings than average of us. If some had better behavior and higher level for services, being more attractive, then they could also make more money. Crisis will be for many people around the world, girls should understand this is fast big money business, but this is not a real job. Peste / pimps must be hungry and angry at the moment. I would be surprised clubs re open on 20 April, when virus is not really yet in Germany, when US are now worst under virus, with more death in only NYC with less than 10 millions people than in whole France with 67 millions people, my meaning only being the most powerful country can be killed by virus, and not only in New York and so many unemployment there. But wish better for our German friends.

I don't think you are correct when you say that the virus has not come to Germany and US, or that it came later. Like mentioned before, the virus has been in the USA and Germany longer than in France, Spain, and Italy; it was just more well controlled due to either culture, health of the people, or just large geography like in America. Germany now has over 95 K cases (more than France) and the USA has over 300 K. For whatever reason, the outcomes of the disease is just worse in France, Spain, and Italy. Percentage of people dying are 8-12% versus 1-3% in Germany and America. The virus has already been there, the latter countries are just doing a better job of treating the sick. The virus has already been spreading in Germany and America, and has been for longer, but these countries will not have the death rate of France, Spain, or Italy, not even half as much.

[Steve 9696]

Thanks The Cane for joining me in the story telling. I hope it breaks the cycle of gloom we currently face. I for one surely enjoyed the tale. Always a pleasure to read a good narrative.

I will say it made me sad tho. And that on top of a story by a fellow vet this morning. Where he described the evolution of a "clean girl" stripper to a hardened pro in a short nine months. It is truly a shame. We must enjoy them on the front end and hope for their escape before too long.

I have been enjoying Seeking Arrangement girls of late and probably that will be the first to emerge again after the CV dies down. What I love about them at least the ones I choose is they are not pros and never will be (most of them). It is nice to see them headed towards a normal if boring existence down the road.

On a happy note, while not the domestic life, happy to see that Melty, who was the brightest star on the escort scene in London, has hooked a true sugar daddy and is globe trotting around the world for the small price of a blowjob or two a day. Pretty good gig. Hope she keeps it a while.

[Gino02]

I have contact with 2 girls in Dusseldorf.

Most Romanian girls are stranded in Germany, since Romania enforced stupid 14-day quarantine.

The last 3 weeks (end of February and first half of March) before FKK-clubs were closed, earnings were terrible for girls, since almost no customers (especially no tourists).

And now they have no chance top earn any money at all.

If clubs open on April 20, girls will be desperate for money.

But only to find out, that there are only a few German customers. So no earnings for a long time in this economic depression.

I sent 200 Euro via Bank transfer to one of the girls. She became really happy.

Yeah true. Pretty bad situation for these girls. Plus when they were making at least 5000-7000 euros per month, most of them spent most of the money on fancy things and / or drugs, without saving much for the rainy days. Most of the FKK girls I know are in this category. But, I also know one Dietz, one Sharks, two Oase and one Globe girls who has enough savings to go for at least a year if stranded in Germany or Switzerland.

I guess service prices will go back to normal standard rates or below when the FKKs reopen next month.

[Pessimist]

I have contact with 2 girls in Dusseldorf.

Most Romanian girls are stranded in Germany, since Romania enforced stupid 14-day quarantine.

The last 3 weeks (end of February and first half of March) before FKK-clubs were closed, earnings were terrible for girls, since almost no customers (especially no tourists).

And now they have no chance top earn any money at all.

If clubs open on April 20, girls will be desperate for money.

But only to find out, that there are only a few German customers. So no earnings for a long time in this economic depression.

I sent 200 Euro via Bank transfer to one of the girls. She became really happy.

I doubt very much that Clubs open by April 20. Seems like a pipe dream.

May I know why you send free money to girls? Out of pity? Charity donation? Expectation of a good service in future?

Many of these girls were super arrogant until recently. Some bragged they were making 1000 Euros a day, which on extrapolation would put them at the rate of 365,000 Euro a year, or nearly $400 grand. Obviously, NO girl works 365 days a year and no one makes a thou every single day. But when I said to some of them "I am giving you 100 for an hour of service and in return the quality of service is not good", their reply was "man, 100 is nothing to me, I make 1,000 a day".

I grant you, not every girl was this arrogant. But many did have such levels of arrogance. Do they need our free donations in a time like this?

If you contact your FKK girl contacts in times like this you will hear nothing but sob stories. One would think they are poorer than the orphans in mother Teresa's place. Now is the time to be lying low, ignoring their requests and preserve your own capital.

There may be many guys here who have very sound finances and can stand the loss of a job loss and market melt down. But then again, many guys may have so so finances and may be in deep financial shithole of their own. Don't blow it on sending pity money to girls in FKKs. Take care of #1, I. E. You. If you survive and FKKs open some day, you can go back and you will still have a good time with one girl or another.

[Sirioja]

I have contact with 2 girls in Dusseldorf.

Most Romanian girls are stranded in Germany, since Romania enforced stupid 14-day quarantine.

The last 3 weeks (end of February and first half of March) before FKK-clubs were closed, earnings were terrible for girls, since almost no customers (especially no tourists).

And now they have no chance top earn any money at all.

If clubs open on April 20, girls will be desperate for money.

But only to find out, that there are only a few German customers. So no earnings for a long time in this economic depression.

I sent 200 Euro via Bank transfer to one of the girls. She became really happy.

I don't think so many Romanians not living in Germany, meaning no flat in Germany, stayed in Germany, but they should learn to save money when they make higher earnings than average of us. If some had better behavior and higher level for services, being more attractive, then they could also make more money. Crisis will be for many people around the world, girls should understand this is fast big money business, but this is not a real job. Peste / pimps must be hungry and angry at the moment. I would be surprised clubs re open on 20 April, when virus is not really yet in Germany, when US are now worst under virus, with more death in only NYC with less than 10 millions people than in whole France with 67 millions people, my meaning only being the most powerful country can be killed by virus, and not only in New York and so many unemployment there. But wish better for our German friends.

[Arnold15]

I have contact with 2 girls in Dusseldorf.

Most Romanian girls are stranded in Germany, since Romania enforced stupid 14-day quarantine.

The last 3 weeks (end of February and first half of March) before FKK-clubs were closed, earnings were terrible for girls, since almost no customers (especially no tourists).

And now they have no chance top earn any money at all.

If clubs open on April 20, girls will be desperate for money.

But only to find out, that there are only a few German customers. So no earnings for a long time in this economic depression.

I sent 200 Euro via Bank transfer to one of the girls. She became really happy.

[The Cane]

I don't know if all of you realize it, but there is a Book of Monger being written for each and every single one of us. Some are longer than others. Some come in multiple volumes. We don't know how they will all end. But what they all have in common is that they detail the trials and tribulations of the monger. The highs and the lows. The victories and the failures. The jubilation and the despair. Yes, much has already been written about the pimp and the prostitute. But, there is much to be read and known about the life experiences of the monger too! Tonight, I'm going to reveal something from the pages of my own personal Book of Monger. A part of my story.

One of the first FKKs I ever went to is FKK Palace. And on that particular afternoon, a very beautiful girl going by the name of "Gina" introduced herself to me. She said she was from the Czech Republic, and was oh so gorgeous to my eye. From that point forward, I was simply smitten. Indeed, the effect she had on me was the same as experienced by many another monger to have crossed paths with the lovely Gina. In fact, when looking for additional information about her on the internet, I came across the following description of Gina written by another monger. I could not have described her any better myself:

"Shoulder length straight blonde hair which is fine and silky to the touch when you run your hands through it. Beautiful face, BJ pouting lips, beautifully blue eyes, dark eyebrows, and shaven pussy, soft and curvy arse and is 1. 61 meters tall. She is a good size, no tattoos and oh so ever smooth skin to run your hands across when fondling her intimately. Excellent tan all over and the only non-tanned part of her I found was her arse crack area where the sun does not shine so to speak. Gina has the-cup tits which are man-made with large pink nipples that turn into big knobs on her aureole. If I ever had a wife she would look like Gina and I would never ever stray, she speaks good English and is the right size for me being medium build and when we hug it feels right as she just falls into my arms and molds to me. In her own words, she said that we get along well and feel good together. I am not sure if that is her sales patter to get me to spend more but it's a nice boost to the ego how she says it. "

The only thing I would add is that if you peered between her cheeks into her arse crack, what was to be found there was one gloriously bright pink pooty hole! As a provider, I fell for Gina. I fell for Gina hard! Not only did I find her to be a stunning beauty according to my tastes, but she also had a very sweet and caring personality to go along with the good looks. I would always fantasize and think about being with Gina. As husband and wife. Lovingly together in front of the fireplace. I returned to Palace many, many times after that first fateful trip. It became one of my favorite clubs. Not only because of Gina, but also because I did discover other providers there that I liked, and the facilities were always some of the nicest, the rooms well-appointed and clean, the food relatively good, and all in an accessible location. But at the same time, Gina was most certainly the main reason why I would stop by Palace whenever in Frankfurt, and typically I would session with her at least twice. Now, much has been said that she has not been the best, most reliable provider over the years. And I can actually agree with that. It's just that, for me, she didn't have to do much. Yes, she would give me BBBJ / CIM and a nice massage. She was a good conversationalist in between. But what pleased me most was for her to just lay back and spread those soft alabaster legs and let me into her. That's where I wanted to be. That's where I wanted to stay.

So, we move forward now to the last day of my most recent trip. As is customary for me, I will begin my mongering in Hesse at Palace, and then also end it there. Both with the expectation that I will have sex with Gina. She's always been there, and she's always taken care of me and fulfilled what I needed from her. To be a "girlfriend". A "play wife". The one and only thing Gina would never let me have from her was anal sex, and I always wanted it so much. So, so much! But, she would refuse me entry into her "bright pink" saying that she didn't like it, and that it hurt! But she would let me lick it from 69, until one time she told me she had gotten a pussy infection from somewhere (didn't say it was me) and would no longer permit me to lick her butt! At least not that time. But I digress. So, prior to my recent trip, I inquired on the site and was told that Gina was still at Palace! Great! So, I know who will most certainly will be getting paid from me I thought! I stopped by on a Wednesday and did not see her there. Used to be that she was there all the time, but I figured maybe OK she's only doing the weekends now or something. I decided to stop by again to try to get to her, the next time being on a Saturday. My last day in Frankfurt this time around.

I got there early for FKK action. Around 5 pm in the afternoon. Few girls on duty, and even fewer mongers. But with time, people started to wander in. A trickle of tricks and tutes! I'm checking out the developing line-up of talent, and I see this tall blonde. Actually, she's not that tall because like a lot of the girls, she was wearing platform shoes. I liked her skin, and her long blonde hair. She had a trim, lean, sexy height-weight proportionate body. But man her face! The face is important to me, and it was this blonde's face that was putting me off. I checked her out several times throughout the night. Moving around as she moved around to get a look. Sitting near where she sat to see if I wanted that. Was I ready to pull the trigger? The answer was no! It's her face I tell you! It's a no go. And no Gina. Well, the one who said she was here is pretty darn reliable on the board. I guess I just missed her then I thought.

So, later in the night I'm sitting on the little sofa that's in the little hallway as you're leaving the kino, and the blonde with the face that didn't work for me walks by to see if there was any opportunity in the kino. Seeing none, she turns to leave, but then stops by the sofa where I'm sitting and kneels in front of me, smiling and asking me if I wanted to go with a blonde. I asked her where she was from, and she said the Czech Republic. I asked her name. She said Gina. I paused for a second. The Czech Republic? Gina? Wait! Is this "my" gorgeous Gina? I looked hard at her face and listened to her voice. Oh my God! Oh my God! NO WAY! It's her! It's my Gina! I was stunned! Floored! Stunned and almost speechless! Shocked! I never in a million years would have known it was her had she not told me! Whoa! My, my, my God. What has my Gina done to herself? She has transformed herself from that sweet-looking, beautiful girl in the neighborhood that all the boys want to marry into a hardened-looking prostitute! My Lord God Gina! What have you done to yourself?

Gina told me that she had "grown up". I was like yes, I guess you have! Now, I had heard that she had some work done on her body, but I thought that HB's comment that her face looked like Frankenstein was an exaggeration. I had not been to Palace in several years, and the last time I saw my Gina, she was still the one I knew and had met on that fateful first visit to Palace. Gina remembered me too, but admittedly I have lost a lot of weight since that first meeting, so my appearance was not exactly the same either. Gina asked me if I wanted to session. Well yeah. Yes! This is Gina! My Gina! I must session! I always session with my Gina! She wanted to know what my fantasy was, and with respect to her, I told her the truth. I said that I had always, always, always wanted her anally, but that she had always refused me before. Gina's answer? All things are possible. I almost passed out right then and there! Is she. Do you mean to tell me that after all of these years of fantasizing and yearning, Gina is about to let me inside of her bright pink? My Gina? This can't be real! I would have bet my life on it that she would never, ever let me have her pink Czech girl A-hole, but now she's saying yes? There is a monger God! I believe, I believe, I believe! Let's go!

So we get to the room and we're reminiscing about our times together and giving updates on our lives. And I tell Gina of how she all of these years had been my dream girl, and how she always turned me down for anal, and that I absolutely could not believe that my long-held dream was about to come true after all of these years! Like 6 or 7 of knowing her maybe? Wow! We started out with some BJ. I closed my eyes. Technique was the same as I remembered. Good enough to make me nut I thought! But the girl doing it. It doesn't. It's not. It doesn't look like my Gina! From the BJ, we went into some missionary-style fucking. I noticed Gina's now outlandishly over-sized titties! Her heavily made-up face that didn't even look like her. But still it was Gina. But was it my Gina? She's moaning like my Gina didn't used to do. And kissing on the lips too! Shit! I nutted inside of Gina missionary. Then from missionary to massage (yes, same technique and feels good). Then time for the most forbidden of all. Anal sex inside of Gina's butt hole! She got down on knees and elbows to suck me. I asked her if she could turn her butt more towards me so that I could see what I had treasured and desired for all of these years. I rubbed my index finger around lightly on the outer opening of Gina's anus orifice. After a few seconds she squealed and moved away. I asked what was wrong? She said sweetly, "That tickles. " My Gina.

Now it was time to enter Gina's until now forbidden asshole. My darling told me she wanted to sink down on me cowgirl-style, and to please be gentle in her butt hole! She said she didn't give it up before because she was just too tight, and needed to learn how to butt fuck. Now she knew how, but still did not do it all the time as she wants to make sure her anus remains sufficiently tight. Gina sunk down onto my shaft. Slowly right up her ass! And then she began to ride. Nice up and down action taking it all up in her once forbidden heiney hole! I was feeling euphoric! Such euphoria! And yet, something was wrong. Something was not quite right! I looked up at Gina. Her face smiling back at me. But it was not Gina. It was not my Gina! This was somebody else! Some painted-up, fake porno chick! The only thing missing was the huge butterfly eyelashes and a couple of over-stuffed, lipo-injected pouty lips! Like that gross girl I saw at Artemis. Eewwww! A witch. A monster!

My brothers I was confused! My feelings were all over the place. I was looking at Gina. I think. And all at once I was both attracted to and repulsed by her! What in the world is going on here? My dick is rock hard. It's all up in her asshole just where I always wanted it to be. And yet, it's not all quite how I had always imagined it would be if Gina would only let me do her butt! Yes, my dick is hard! I'm about to. I'm about to explode into her ass! But. But. Who is that ugly girl! "Yes, TC. Yes. There is a monger God. It is I. And I am here with you now. I am a loving and a kind God. Therefore, I have finally granted you your wish. But, I am also a wrathful and vengeful God! You have your wish TC. You have your wish. But. Look at her now. Have not faith in any tute. Have faith only in me, and you shall be saved"!

With the session over and our departure from the room, Gina was in front of me. She happened to look back for a second and asked me what was wrong. If everything was OK? She said I looked sad. I had been trying my best to be as normal and as natural as I possibly could be. I'm confident I pulled it off in the room. But, I guess she caught me in a vulnerable moment when I was showing my swirl of emotions in my face. I most certainly was sad. I was sad because my trip to sexual access and freedom was coming to an end. But even more so than that, because something else much bigger in my mind had come to an end. The end of an era and an important chapter in my personal Book of Monger. I had lost "my Gina". Forever. And I knew it. Honestly, I can't say that I find her totally unattractive and just plain ugly now. Depends on which angle you look at her from. Now, in fact, she sits at what I call the "pretty porn girls" table. Her friends are the ones with the huge fake tits and plastic and such. It's just that if you ever knew the Gina that I knew, then the look of this current Gina is the "anti-Gina". It's not the girl I put on a pedestal for all of these years. And for doing that, the monger God punished a monger for putting idols before Him!

Before I left the club, I saw Gina coming my way, and I wanted. No I needed to tell her goodbye. For this time, the goodbye would have significant meaning for me. Kissed both her cheeks, and she looked me in the eye and said, "Now that you know what I look like now, next time you're here you won't have to wait so long to choose me". I agreed, but at the same time in my mind I was saying, "My God she's gone Michael Jackson"! In the light, the once beautiful complexion of her skin and features looked just plain disgusting to me now. Even her teeth, that in the beginning were just absolutely perfect and white. I tossed and turned in my hotel bed all night long. Into the wee hours of the morning. In fact, I never got any sleep before it was time to get up and get ready to catch my plane. Torn and conflicted. I couldn't think straight! I didn't know what to think or what to do. What just happened here? It's all so, so surreal. The only thing I did understand when I left that club that night was this. I will never, ever be able to session with Gina again. Not ever. She's gone. So much of what made her dear to my heart. It's gone. Forever. Yes. I'm sad. Very, very sad. The end of a chapter in my personal Book of Monger.