German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Smoke Light]

Why didn't you just change your flight to a different date in the future? Because of this pandemic and the recent travel ban, many airlines allow the passengers to change their flights without paying any fee. You can change the flight as late as up to 2 hours before your original flight departure. You should have called Expedia to do that since you didn't book directly through the airline. Ok, even if you have to pay an administrative fee and the fare difference, it's still better than losing 800.

Regarding to losing 10 nights of hotel stay, you couldn't at least get a refund for 9 days? Seriously! For most hotel reservation, you will definitely lose your first day if you don't show up. You should still get the refund for the remaining days. No? I bet you probably prepaid your hotel in advance. Right? I would never prepaid hotel when I go on a mongering trip.

I tried rebooking but nothing worked. 2. 5 hours waiting time on the phone with expedia customer service. After a few seconds the woman put me on hold again and told me she will talk to her supervisor. A minute later she told me with Lufthansa I have no options, they refuse to rebook because the flight to FRA was not cancelled and left on schedule. They gave me a number to call Lufthansa. I did. Another 3 hours on hold. Within 30 seconds they sent me back to expedia and blamed expedia for giving false info. Also suggested I email Lufthansa customer relations to ask for a voucher. Classic BS.

Yes I booked hotel (actually an apartment) and the host offered 100% cancellation refund as long as it was 14 days before check in. That seemed quite reasonable back in Dec 2019. But I waited too long and didn't cancel hoping to go but you know what happened. Yes I make myself look like a fool but hope others can learn from it and know what to expect and avoid.

[ExpatLover]

I would never prepaid hotel when I go on a mongering trip.

Fully agree, it is so far better to be free, to stay longer in one place or another, so many hotel options available specially with a car, the FKK scene will need months to recover if any.

[Kuni042]

Seemingly. Since so many mongers are now watching internet porn, the bandwidth today is shitty as hell. Could you please give me a break here? (just kidding).

[The Cane]

Why didn't you just change your flight to a different date in the future? Because of this pandemic and the recent travel ban, many airlines allow the passengers to change their flights without paying any fee. You can change the flight as late as up to 2 hours before your original flight departure. You should have called Expedia to do that since you didn't book directly through the airline. Ok, even if you have to pay an administrative fee and the fare difference, it's still better than losing 800.

Have a booked flight on United Airlines between March 3rd and March 31st, and you can make changes over the next 12 months for whatever reason with no extra fees or charges. Other airlines are putting forth their own rule changes to help travelers get through this crisis, and to try to protect their own bottom lines.

[MoneySign]

I booked my next trip in December 2019. Was supposed to fly to FRA today for a 10-day stay in NRW. Having elderly parents and now mandatory quarantine coming back to the US, and completely unknown situation on the ground in Germany as it changes each day, decided to cancel the last minute. Ticket 800 USD booked via Expedia total loss. 10 nights hotel stay 650 USD total loss. Was able to cancel the car rental. I feel much worse about the ruined vacation rather than the money. A couple of my favorites ex LR and ex Samya are now both at Finca! Could have been a great trip but all ruined. Just sad.

Why didn't you just change your flight to a different date in the future? Because of this pandemic and the recent travel ban, many airlines allow the passengers to change their flights without paying any fee. You can change the flight as late as up to 2 hours before your original flight departure. You should have called Expedia to do that since you didn't book directly through the airline. Ok, even if you have to pay an administrative fee and the fare difference, it's still better than losing 800.

Regarding to losing 10 nights of hotel stay, you couldn't at least get a refund for 9 days? Seriously! For most hotel reservation, you will definitely lose your first day if you don't show up. You should still get the refund for the remaining days. No? I bet you probably prepaid your hotel in advance. Right? I would never prepaid hotel when I go on a mongering trip.

[Kuni042]

Indeed see here: https://www.fkk-artemis.de/en/environment/.

Seems Samya is closed until April 10th wonder how many clubs will follow soon seems Berlin and Cologne are taking the first steps.

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/berlin-joins-cologne-in-closing-bars-clubs-as-germany-toughens-coronavirus-response

[McAdonis]

Some Romanian girls have relocated more or less permanently to Germany by renting apartments together or with a BF. When they go home for Christmas and Easter they only visit parents temporarily. This category of WGs is likely to suffer the worst financially in this crisis if they continue to stay in Germany. Remaining girls who rely on brothels and clubs for nightly stay will have to move back home rather quickly if the establishments are closed by the government. So it's not just desperate for money, but also unexpected logistics.

Traveling would be a nightmare if even possible. Countries are tightening borders fast. Denmark, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania, Ukraine: https://balkaninsight.com/2020/03/13...p-coronavirus/.

Italy alone has over a million Romanians living there. Many work as nurses or take care of the elderly, so these populations might have had more exposure and require more thorough screening. I would say many younger Romanians work in the service industry as well. Bars, restaurants, pubs, nightclubs are being shutdown (Berlin, Rome, Madrid, Brussels). Romanians living in Western Europe by population size one, two, and three: Italy, Spain, Germany: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_diaspora.

Many Western European countries will pay six months of sick leave, and the first six weeks of that is full net pay. However, many Romanians (including our dear WGs) work in jobs where it is common to get paid under the table or significantly under report their income.

"Germany, France, Denmark and the Netherlands are among the countries where workers have a right to receive full pay, in some cases for at least six weeks, if they are ill, are quarantined or are told to stay home by their employers."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/business/europe-coronavirus-labor-help.html

[Palcon]

Seems Samya is closed until April 10th wonder how many clubs will follow soon seems Berlin and Cologne are taking the first steps.

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/health-pmn/berlin-joins-cologne-in-closing-bars-clubs-as-germany-toughens-coronavirus-response

[Palcon]

Some Romanian girls have relocated more or less permanently to Germany by renting apartments together or with a BF. When they go home for Christmas and Easter they only visit parents temporarily. This category of WGs is likely to suffer the worst financially in this crisis if they continue to stay in Germany. Remaining girls who rely on brothels and clubs for nightly stay will have to move back home rather quickly if the establishments are closed by the government. So it's not just desperate for money, but also unexpected logistics.

I agree but it's mostly desperate for money I know quite a few of them already own apartments or houses back home. I would guess a majority of them are poor at managing their finances, have pimp boyfriends, put it all into their houses, or a combo of these. They've been jaded by making fast money and think it'll last. If they go home for an extended period they would also have some explaining to do on how they're able to take so much time off from their "job" and they need money to stay home.

[Riina]

Italy fucked up with no social distancing until it was too late. The path for Salvini has been laid.

[Smoke Light]

People who disregard the well being of other folks should probably catch it. Most of the girls are there because they're desperate for money.

Some Romanian girls have relocated more or less permanently to Germany by renting apartments together or with a BF. When they go home for Christmas and Easter they only visit parents temporarily. This category of WGs is likely to suffer the worst financially in this crisis if they continue to stay in Germany. Remaining girls who rely on brothels and clubs for nightly stay will have to move back home rather quickly if the establishments are closed by the government. So it's not just desperate for money, but also unexpected logistics.

[Pessimist]

Korea vs Italy provides a good case study. Korea is a democratic society, a bit more authoritarian than Italy for sure but not like China. But the Korean response, w / o shutting down borders, is coming for a lot of praise. Death rate is less than 1%. Meanwhile, Italy's mortality rate from this virus is an astronomical 6% to 7%. Even factoring in that Italy has an aged population, their response to this so far shows Italy in an extremely unflattering light. Italy and Korea are almost at similar GDP per capita now, but Italy seems clueless how to halt this. And as this WSJ article shows, the virus first took hold in the rich northern region. When it flares up in the or south, infection and mortality rates might spike even more.

These are not good days for Italy. Economy is in shambles, and country came to a screeching halt. I hope they don't become Greece part 2.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/east-vs...s&page=1&pos=1

[McAdonis]

Many potential cases. People, who for whatever reason, haven't been tested, walking around sick.

"Until now, a suspected case was not allowed to be tested unless they had an obvious link to certain countries or infected patients. Ive seen at least three people with severe disease who werent allowed to be tested, and heard of dozens more. This long-overdue policy change will soon be reflected possibly as soon as the next 24-48 hours in a big spike in case numbers."

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-uk-doctor-nhs-hospital-symptoms-italy-china-a9397736.html

Neighboring countries are starting to err on side of caution. Czech Republic is banning inbound / outbound travel to Germany and many other countries if I understand correctly:

"The full list includes other European countries Italy, Sweden, Norway, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Denmark, Britain, Switzerland and also China, Korea and Iran.

Mr Babis told a news conference the government would also ban public events of more than 30 people and impose closures of places such as sport centres, spa services and galleries.

Restaurants must close by 8pm and refreshments at shopping malls will be banned altogether."

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/czech-republic-shut-borders-to-travellers-from-15-countries

My point is this situation needs to be monitored day-to-day. If you have friends, that are on-the-ground in Europe, asking them how the situation is at this exact moment is pointless. Italy is an example of how quickly things can escalate. Italy was fairly lax about this coronavirus just a few weeks ago. Now in some towns it is martial law, I am told. If you are in a quarantined town and stray too far from home, you can be punished with a three month prison sentence or a fine of 206 euros ($230).

On Wednesday, news outlets reported that police sanctioned a 51-year-old Peruvian man in Rome, a group of five men in Mantova, and 17-year-old who was travelling in Milan to see his girlfriend on charges of "being on the streets unnecessarily" and "moving around without a valid reason".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/italy-punishment-time-coronavirus-200312171128553.html

European leaders might be more open to taking these drastic measures to try to slow down the outbreak, compared to say America: (1) urban populations much more concentrated, (2) sick leave system safety net already in place, (3) older populations.

[Sound7]

Don't expect any coronavirus reports, honest or not, from either government or the press. Putting on a good face.

Social distance ones best hope.

Exactly! You hit the nail right on the center of the head. This is exactly how this virus had spread from China and then Asia to rest of the world. People from that part of the world should have stopped spreading it to rest of us but they didn't want to stop traveling and our governments also wanted to remain politically correct as opposed to taking care of our own people's health first. Hope we all learned a good lesson from this, but if our habits don't change, something similar is almost guaranteed to happen again in few years.

[Palcon]

Guys, German FKK clubs are currently probably one of the most dangerous places in the world in terms of catching Coronavirus, particularly the clubs in NRW where over 1400 confirmed cases are as of today. WGs are in high-risk profession and the monger is almost guaranteed to be infected if his WG is infected. So be careful.

People who disregard the well being of other folks should probably catch it. Most of the girls are there because they're desperate for money. With the number of Ro heading home because of the virus or because of easter I wouldn't be surprised if the number of cases will jump especially from WGs.