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[Mr Ho]

The answer is massive isolation and de-socializing.

If you look at the chinese numbers, it seems that they had most success in shutting this all down. China in effect drove people into massive self-isolation. And mandated masks to inhibit further distribution of the virus.

If you look at Germany (BTW; I am german citizen): the situation is NUTS. The germans today are still watching the 2nd Fuball liga in the 10's of thousands. In Berlin a large game will be watched by 50.000 -.

In Germany people are ridiculed if they wear masks or wear latex gloves while shopping. So imo right now, if they are not careful this thing will loom a while longer and just get worse.

And I know some of you will say. Pah. All overhyped. It is not so risky. But the death toll is 4300 and quickly rising outside of China. Because the western world is pretty lame so far in its response.

One thing you fail to understand is that China is authoritarian regime, where government is similar to dictator set up where fed can force people to do things, military included.

On the other hand, other nations like most democratic nations like Europe, Japan, USA etc. Cannot do that.

Whats important to look at is not infection rates, it is important to look at death rates, and Italian numbers are alarming and it shows hospital is not functioning anymore to the level they even begin refusing some life extending treatment for over 60 years old patients.

It won't be solve as simple sex forum states, but it will be solved, and thanks god, covid 19 is not deadly virus to most people, unlike ebora.

Anyways, sex forum is not the solution for global virus issue that is for sure LOL.

[Pessimist]

The answer is massive isolation and de-socializing.

If you look at the chinese numbers, it seems that they had most success in shutting this all down. China in effect drove people into massive self-isolation. And mandated masks to inhibit further distribution of the virus.

If you look at Germany (BTW; I am german citizen): the situation is NUTS. The germans today are still watching the 2nd Fuball liga in the 10's of thousands. In Berlin a large game will be watched by 50.000 -.

In Germany people are ridiculed if they wear masks or wear latex gloves while shopping. So imo right now, if they are not careful this thing will loom a while longer and just get worse.

And I know some of you will say. Pah. All overhyped. It is not so risky. But the death toll is 4300 and quickly rising outside of China. Because the western world is pretty lame so far in its response.

Totally agree with most of what you said. I have a different opinion about China, however. The kinds of things they could do in China are simply not feasible in Western democracies. We will see how this Italian quarantine works. In China, authorities were draconian, excessive, abusive and of course they probably fudged facts and lied about numbers. There are dozens of videos on YouTube and Twitter and a few Chinese social media platforms which were showing how callously police were dealing with the population. Doors were locked from outside, blocking bars welded while people were screaming and crying and wailing from inside. Sick women were walking miles to hospitals, were turned away with the message that they could not be tested at that facility and told to walk to another facility miles away. When they could barely breathe. The death rate in Wuhan was so high because denominator (of total infections) was understated and of course so many people received no proper healthcare and just died.

We are simply not used to such hamhanded behavior from police here and people will go to courts. Over there, people have zero rights and government treats them like dirt.

That doesn't mean we can not constrain this. As you said, large events need to be canceled. Major sporting events are getting canned. Indian Wells tennis was this week, for example. School shutdowns, working from home, work related travel cancellations are all happening. Increasing social distance is critical as you said. The critical thing is to slow down the rate of infections and delay them so that healthcare systems are not overwhelmed. Even if a large number are infected, if that can be spread over a large period as opposed to getting infected in a short time, we can manage this.

But to dismiss this as Musk did, is simply stupid. While Bill Gates has been on the mark from day one and was prescient with his forecasts, Musk yet again came across as a yahoo.

[Kuni042]

So funny. My fitbit-clone (from Garmin) tells me that I have walked yesterday over 10000 steps while masturbating for an hour. Grin.

Use your illusions and your right hand LOL!

[Kuni042]

The answer is massive isolation and de-socializing.

If you look at the chinese numbers, it seems that they had most success in shutting this all down. China in effect drove people into massive self-isolation. And mandated masks to inhibit further distribution of the virus.

If you look at Germany (BTW; I am german citizen): the situation is NUTS. The germans today are still watching the 2nd Fußball liga in the 10's of thousands. In Berlin a large game will be watched by 50.000 -.

In Germany people are ridiculed if they wear masks or wear latex gloves while shopping. So imo right now, if they are not careful this thing will loom a while longer and just get worse.

And I know some of you will say. Pah. All overhyped. It is not so risky. But the death toll is 4300 and quickly rising outside of China. Because the western world is pretty lame so far in its response.

If you really think FKK WGs are at such heightened risk, why would you not advocate shutting down FKKs until this is cleared up?

[Kuni042]

Agreed. I find this policy to stop italians or asians at FKK quite stupid. Most infections in Germany right now are caused by Germans.

Is there a reason to deny access to Asian look mongers but allow other mongers now? Why not block the Asian dude at the airport? If it is a Asian ethnicity guy who normally lives in Frankfurt or Paris, why is that fellow a higher risk than a Hispanic dude or French ethnicity dude from Belgium or even a local guy from Munich?

[Pessimist]

Countries are restricting meeting sizes and travel altogether. Austria stopped all Italians from entering. I think it was Sui who banned all group meets of more than 1000 and now Czech is banning all meets of 100 people. If FKK was located in Czech, they would be closed already.

[Euroknight]

I frankly don't care, if it is germans, italians or asians or US americans infecting the ladies. But one thing should be clear: FKK ladies are under highest risk of getting corona-infected -- more than any other profession.

This will mostly not be trouble-some for them. Because they are mostly young and female. But this will absolutely certainly pose a high risk for visitors.

Absolutely true and correct. The environmental situation inside FKKs is precisely that which all medical counselors suggest to avoid. With the girls we spend at least twenty minutes inside a little room, staying in close contact and sharing the air we breathe. If by chance any of them has got Covid-19, they will have some nasty bronchitis in the worst hypothesis, but mature people like me expose themselves to higher risks. Moreover, numbers from German authorities show that the epidemics is growing at the same pace as in Italy, only with a 9-days delay. It is easy to imagine that in these hours German authorities are studying the situation and sooner or later will impose severe restrictions not only on FKKs, but also on gyms, saunas and all similar indoor activities. It has nothing to do with race or geographical origin: with more than one thousand infected in Germany the situation is becoming worth of serious consideration.

[Mr Ho]

I had already planned long ago, like last year, to take the entire year of 2020 off from mongering. Looks like I picked a good year to take a break!

There goes senpai cane being wise and senpai LOL!

But why would you take a year off? I like taking few months off to see the changes in line up, which does not happen a lot in German FKK anyways, unfortunately LOL.

However, what I noticed with my limited experience at globe is that, they seem to change shift and line up a lot, which is good thing, even during my recent two days visits, the line up changed quite a bit like 30 % girls changed, which did not work in favor for me as good girls went away, but I did session with them on first day LOL!

I did take a day off during my last FKK trip, the day I could have gone to FKK, I did not and went to hot spring spa, which was nice change, so next day you go back as a hungry monger LOL.

I look back to those days I did around 10 days everyday FKK and max was 14 days everyday FKK during my golden artemis years, which was crazy. I mean sex with different multiple beauties everyday for 14 days straight, now 5 days even 3 days is enough for me and spark is still there each time I find new stunner, but I never regret I did those 10 to 14 days everyday FKK sex all day with different girls everyday. It was money well spent and time well spend, and memories and feeling of accomplishment as a man is still inside me. I remain honest to my nature as a man, which society may denounce if they know, but they don't LOL!

[Mr Ho]

If you really think FKK WGs are at such heightened risk, why would you not advocate shutting down FKKs until this is cleared up?

With several thousand cases in EU, there is a critical mass of infection in EU. And it is growing exponentially. Even if you shut access to Asian looking mongers, WGs are very vulnerable to catching the virus from a local.

Is there a reason to deny access to Asian look mongers but allow other mongers now? Why not block the Asian dude at the airport? If it is a Asian ethnicity guy who normally lives in Frankfurt or Paris, why is that fellow a higher risk than a Hispanic dude or French ethnicity dude from Belgium or even a local guy from Munich?

One sad thing about corona virus incident is that people forget that corona virus came from Wuhan China, but somehow whole Asia is getting blamed, this is actually wrongly accused by masses in West, some poor Singaporean guy was beaten in London. I mean what has Singapore guy has got to do with this? And there are many other incidents that is not even related to ethnicity.

However, I do not believe such a strong contracting virus is just from nature, I think it is out of lab by mistake. As long as you are young and healthy, it is not deadly as media spread fear, but it is very strong virus to contract. Only people who are happy with this is media, financial institutions who had short position, toilet papers companies and industry that managed to rode on fear that media sell.

Some virus came out of China before like Sars etc. Also Africa like ebora that is more deadly, mers from Saudi Arabia, so there are regions where these virus get out before, so I think we as humanity should learn how to stop that first, but also how to react to it when it happen again, which will.

[Pessimist]

You know, I will be the last who is accusing anyone. But how can you be so sure?? I frankly don't care, if it is germans, italians or asians or US americans infecting the ladies. But one thing should be clear: FKK ladies are under highest risk of getting corona-infected -- more than any other profession.

This will mostly not be trouble-some for them. Because they are mostly young and female. But this will absolutely certainly pose a high risk for visitors.

And clearly, folks, if I would get infected, there is no way, I would ever admit, that I might have gotten that in an FKK. Seriously, how could I even tell?? Instead I would pretend / assume, that I got it in a mall, the airport, a taxi or the doctor. Right or right?

If you really think FKK WGs are at such heightened risk, why would you not advocate shutting down FKKs until this is cleared up?

With several thousand cases in EU, there is a critical mass of infection in EU. And it is growing exponentially. Even if you shut access to Asian looking mongers, WGs are very vulnerable to catching the virus from a local.

Is there a reason to deny access to Asian look mongers but allow other mongers now? Why not block the Asian dude at the airport? If it is a Asian ethnicity guy who normally lives in Frankfurt or Paris, why is that fellow a higher risk than a Hispanic dude or French ethnicity dude from Belgium or even a local guy from Munich?

[Kuni042]

Yes, theoretically possible. But there is no way to control for corona-virus. As tests maybe negative, but you still might still develop it. Tests also take 4 hrs of time. The only way would have been strict quarantaine.

Imagine what would have happened if all the countries took the steps they are taking now, back in January or December? Imagine if people travelling from China were not allowed (and it was not too difficult to control at the airports in China or the ports of entry in other countries, as opposed to for China to control within it's own border for people from Wuhan to travel other parts of China) to enter other countries back then? We wouldn't be in today's situation of everything closing or canceling everywhere now, so many people wouldn't have died in Italy and Korea and many countries, many other countries would have started to pickup manufacturing from China and remove that single point of failure, financial markets would have been not this much down; and most importantly for folks on this forum, FKKs wouldn't be on the risk of closing.

[Kuni042]

Nope: 70 percent of corona-infected don't even develop symptoms. I mean: any symptoms! No coughing. No fever. No nothing.

But in general, you are right. If someone has a fever they should definitely not be allowed to enter a club. You don't need to put the thermometer into the mouth. Grin - you can simply do this via the forehead with an infrared thermometer- it doesn't need to be steril either.

Seems to me that if the clubs want to stay open, they should have door security do temperature checks on anyone trying to enter. Have a sterile thermometer put into everyone's mouth for a minute or two to see if they have a fever. If the temperature is over 98 degrees Fahrenheit, no entry.

[Kuni042]

There is a very easy answer to that: The numbers reported are all confirmed cases. Not just cases. Since India. As well as many african countries. Severely lack testing capabilities, this means there are almost no confirmed cases.

BTW: Did you know that the US only tested about 3000 folks so far??

I'm curious to learn and understand what is India doing correctly that they have so few cases so far, only 43, with such a huge population (1.366 Billion people, second to China's 1.434 Billion people) and geographically so close to China? Can't find much online information about steps taken by India government, any Indian on this forum care to enlighten us here?

[Kuni042]

You know, I will be the last who is accusing anyone. But how can you be so sure?? I frankly don't care, if it is germans, italians or asians or US americans infecting the ladies. But one thing should be clear: FKK ladies are under highest risk of getting corona-infected -- more than any other profession.

This will mostly not be trouble-some for them. Because they are mostly young and female. But this will absolutely certainly pose a high risk for visitors.

And clearly, folks, if I would get infected, there is no way, I would ever admit, that I might have gotten that in an FKK. Seriously, how could I even tell?? Instead I would pretend / assume, that I got it in a mall, the airport, a taxi or the doctor. Right or right?

... Not one case has originated from inside an FKK due to any Asian monger. .... the Asian mongers inside an FKK caused nothing. .....

[Pessimist]

There are several thousand infections in Italy and other W EU countries. Not one case has originated from inside an FKK due to any Asian monger. Countries took travel restriction actions several weeks ago, and yet the virus spread as it did. No one on ISG suggested countries should not take actions at their immigration gates at the airport and other places. One or two ISG members did argue to stop mongers specifically at the FKK gates but as of now, the Asian mongers inside an FKK caused nothing. However, facts don't concern some guys as their agenda has been something else.

And now, clubs are stopping Asians and Italians both. In the next few weeks this won't matter as I suspect the clubs face a high chance of being shut at least for some time.