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[Citizen Kane]

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

...except Polio.

[Pessimist]

If this virus had developed and spread not in Wuhan, Ch but Perm, RU or Christchurch NZ or trondheim No and if someone proposed banning all White dudes from FKK until the virus was cured worldwide, members would be up in arms here. But now we are casually proposing banning all Asians including Japanese or Koreans or anyone with an Asian look, even Asians who have been living for a long time outside China because one city has a few thousand infections.

BTW, I am not Asian nor of Asian ethnicity. Just another white dude here.

Another thing: because China became so important for global economy, there were several thousands of foreigners and expats living in China. Now, they are all being flown back to their homes due to fear of this virus. Now, it is possible that some of these people who are being brought back to their homelands were already infected but not yet showing symptoms. So, some of them return back to Europe, visit clubs and spread the disease. What should the club do? If they ban Asians and white dudes both, perhaps the clubs should shut down for a while?

In fact, several airlines are suspending flights to China except to bring expats back home. If the disease is spreading in Europe, it could be more due to returning expats that were already infected than a Wuhan dude visiting FKK. Remember, infection incubation is up to 2 weeks and many infected people show no symptoms and have no idea they are infected.

[KingOfBongo]

Funny that fear about coronavirus. From what I read, it is deadly mostly for weak people, with deficient immunatory system, more than 60 years persons, etc. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger: a normal guy, in good physical condition, would probably get over it quickly and get a better immunatory system.

So, don't smoke, eat sanely, don't drink too much and do sports at least twice a week and like me you won't even need vaccine (some contains suspicious adjuvents). I think I never got flu, only cold.

[Downandup]

You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet!

That may be but so far the the dangers of corona virus is still exceedingly small, it could be that for most people infected that it's no worse than a cold. 130 deaths is a small number when flu will kill 600,000 in a year and when you have numbers like that then it could imply that corona virus is a dangerous secondary infection. It will take some time yet to realise how bad this is but experts are reporting today that it's not going to be as bad as SARS or even MERS.

[Sirioja]

Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.

Real fact about risk nobody control at this time, but known Chinese figures are wrong, Chinese women football team was isolated in a competition, I think in Australia where really open minded. But I'm pretty sure for somebody in good health, this virus is less dangerous than HIV and I don't want to have to take 15 pills a day only to survive, but being weak and catching all diseases.

[Gino02]

The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.

You are forgetting that for all other pathogens we might get from FKK visits, there are vaccines and / or treatments. For Coronavirus, there is none yet!

[Akibono]

Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.

CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-...s-spreads.html).

The risks from the corona virus is much less than the other risks from going to a club. If you want to lower your risks, go see a high end escort that sees one client a day at your hotel. Just entering a club exposes you to pathogens from hundreds of visitors.

[DiverOyster]

Dow is down 400 points due to it. CDC suggested today to stop or postpone trips to China. Are the FKK girls now avoiding customers from China / Asia due to fear of Coronavirus? Are the clubs stopping customers from China / Asia to enter?

There is no need to stop or ban anybody due to the fear of the Corona virus. The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.

To put things in perspectives, the seasonal flu, also an airborne contagious disease, affects and kills a much bigger population worldwide, including the population in the 4 FKK host countries (DE, CH, Austria, and NL) during the flu season of 2019-2020. About 1/2 million people world-wide die annually from the seasonal flu.

In the USA alone, according to the estimates of the US Government agency Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from October 1, 2019, through January 18, 2020, there have been:

15,000,000 - 21,000,000 flu illnesses;

7,000,000 - 10,000,000 flu medical visits;

140,000 - 250,000 flu hospitalizations;

8,200 - 20,000 flu deaths.

Please see the statistics in the link below.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...g_rsG_Zrw7GR3c

I have been visiting fkks for years during the flu season (generally from about October through about April). Even with the widespread prevalence of the contagious flu virus during the flu season, I have never become sick from DFK the FKK girls, and DFK and DATY are my usual modus operandi. I understand that there is a risk of catching the flu virus from DFK the girls, but this is a risk I am willing to take to enjoy my pleasure.

To me, the real health risk of visiting fkks is the second-hand smoke. I wish all fkks would have the non-smoking policy like Babylon Ellsdorf.

[GuyBrusg1957]

May anyone comment on the general circumstances of the clubs during mid April? I maybe able come down during the week from a Sunday to Thursday.

Will it be worth while? Am I better off waiting until later in the summer if I'm only able to do this once a year?

[Gino02]

GT made Chinese new year party on last Saturday. Don 't know if many Chinese attended, but Chinese figures about virus are lower than reality, China is not land of truth, but British made investigations showing much more Chinese under virus than Chinese figures. Can become risky, like AO is for sure high risk, furthermore with girls fucked AO 10 times every day.

Well, thru AO sex you may get an STD (in addition to chance of Coronavirus now), but good news is that all STDs now have treatment or vaccines, including for HIV. On the other hand, there is no vaccine and no real treatment yet for Coronavirus (researchers and scientists saying may take years!) so that's much much higher risk of death until a vaccine and / or treatment is available; that's the reason clubs, girls and customers should be much more careful compared to AO sex or any other risks at this time. Allowing Asian customers to brothels is simply creating way too much death risks for rest of the folks until a real vaccine or treatment is available IMHO.

[Sirioja]

Very very good points. How the clubs and the WGs react to Coronavirus depends on what they consider Risk vs. Reward. Similar to how some (like me) thinks AO sex is safe enough considering Risk vs. Reward and looking at the statistics of issues, but many people considers its too risky. Similar to history of Ebola, SARS, HIV etc etc. Even if statistical percentages are not high, if you catch it by any remote chance, end of all arguments. So the clubs, WGs and customers who are worried about issues from AO sex, probably are also better off being extra careful about avoiding any potential exposure to Coronavirus from any Asian at this time. Imagine a girl kissing or giving BBBJ to a guy who might have Coronavirus. And imagine you getting a kiss or BBBJ from that same WG who was with that guy earlier same day.

It could be a kiss of death (or death by BBBJ).

GT made Chinese new year party on last Saturday. Don 't know if many Chinese attended, but Chinese figures about virus are lower than reality, China is not land of truth, but British made investigations showing much more Chinese under virus than Chinese figures. Can become risky, like AO is for sure high risk, furthermore with girls fucked AO 10 times every day.

[Sirioja]

You can find some Serbian and Croatian girls in Amsterdam.

I did get to session with a Serbian girl in Amsterdam she was very hot.

Was Serbian Milana with very small tits, at Sharks.

[Gino02]

How is the club or the girl to know whether the Asian dude is a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malay, Thai or something else? I guess they can demand to see the passport, but short of that, the reception lady has no clue. Is it legal if they selectively demand passport inspection from only Asian looking dudes? As for the girls, they have even less clue to detect and know who is the Chinese man among all the Asian customers her best customers, mind you! Perhaps they will use this excuse to charge Asian customers 300 per hour as opposed to the current 200 per hour.

And what if the Asian dude was living in France for a while and visited the German FKK? Is he supposed to prove that too, that he is not fresh off the boat from China? Or should the club put a blanket ban on any customer with Asian look?

And should all Chinese be denied because a few people in Wuhan have the infection? 3,000 infections in a nation of a billion is nothing. Even if the true infection count is 100,000 now, still a minuscule percent.

The quarantine to that extent is being done on the side of China. Once a guy is outside the country, he has to be treated as anyone else.

That is not to say a club won't decide to institute some narrow minded ban. Given that some NRW clubs already have a door policy, it would not shock me if the clubs went one step further and banned all Asians "temporarily". I don't expect it but it will not shock me. It probably won't last long though, as these Asian hunters fear the loss of income denying their best customers more than any corona virus.

Probably clubs, girls and punters are better safe than sorry, by banning all Asians for now. Imagine one single case of Coronavirus infection thru an FKK in the news. All FKKs will suffer serious downturn of all customers, not just Asians.

CDC tells travelers to avoid China in expanded travel warning as coronavirus spreads (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/cdc-...s-spreads.html).

[Ludacris775]

I'm European. My dream was I'll meet some girl (s) as hot as Megan from Globe and live happily ever after. Although IMO Serbian and Croatian girls are even more beautiful than Romanians. Though we rarely see them in FKK clubs!

You can find some Serbian and Croatian girls in Amsterdam.

I did get to session with a Serbian girl in Amsterdam she was very hot.

[Gino02]

How is the club or the girl to know whether the Asian dude is a Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Malay, Thai or something else? I guess they can demand to see the passport, but short of that, the reception lady has no clue. Is it legal if they selectively demand passport inspection from only Asian looking dudes? As for the girls, they have even less clue to detect and know who is the Chinese man among all the Asian customers her best customers, mind you! Perhaps they will use this excuse to charge Asian customers 300 per hour as opposed to the current 200 per hour.

And what if the Asian dude was living in France for a while and visited the German FKK? Is he supposed to prove that too, that he is not fresh off the boat from China? Or should the club put a blanket ban on any customer with Asian look?

And should all Chinese be denied because a few people in Wuhan have the infection? 3,000 infections in a nation of a billion is nothing. Even if the true infection count is 100,000 now, still a minuscule percent.

The quarantine to that extent is being done on the side of China. Once a guy is outside the country, he has to be treated as anyone else.

That is not to say a club won't decide to institute some narrow minded ban. Given that some NRW clubs already have a door policy, it would not shock me if the clubs went one step further and banned all Asians "temporarily". I don't expect it but it will not shock me. It probably won't last long though, as these Asian hunters fear the loss of income denying their best customers more than any corona virus.

Very very good points. How the clubs and the WGs react to Coronavirus depends on what they consider Risk vs. Reward. Similar to how some (like me) thinks AO sex is safe enough considering Risk vs. Reward and looking at the statistics of issues, but many people considers its too risky. Similar to history of Ebola, SARS, HIV etc etc. Even if statistical percentages are not high, if you catch it by any remote chance, end of all arguments. So the clubs, WGs and customers who are worried about issues from AO sex, probably are also better off being extra careful about avoiding any potential exposure to Coronavirus from any Asian at this time. Imagine a girl kissing or giving BBBJ to a guy who might have Coronavirus. And imagine you getting a kiss or BBBJ from that same WG who was with that guy earlier same day.

It could be a kiss of death (or death by BBBJ).