German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Sebastiane]

An interesting observation about entrance prices for girls. Its not just in German FKKS too. A number of girls at Aphro have told me they left Globe because the working conditions were too strict and the club took too much of their earnings. I didn't even ask if the girls also have to pay. But I suppose the owners bottom line is to maximise their profits and, for now, there is a steady line of Romanian girls willing to take the place of any girls who don't like it both in Germany and Switzerland and Austria I guess.

[Polyamorist]

I agree with Pistons and Polyamorist that high entry prices for girls have bad effects. But of course the clubs are not interested as they earn a lot from the girls. As long as there is a supply of girls the clubs concerned will continue to see how much they can get from the girls. A big club could easily be taking g well over 10,000 euros (gross) a day from the girls.

It also means a girl is not going to be banned for bad behavior. In the case of a major dispute, it would be cheaper to ban the customer. Because the girls are the real customers, a captive market.

I wonder if girls had to pay these fees in the old days (FKK Atlantis etc)?

[Sirioja]

I don't think with 115 entry an average girl makes 200 per day. She would be stupid to continue going there for 85 e per day.

The club should not even charge entry for the girls in my opinion. They already make crazy profits accepting only cash for entrance from customer and selling drinks for 170 euro with 35 euro wholesale price so can they ask money from the girls who visit every day? Their existence is because of the girls, if they stop going there will be no club.

I think they ask entrance from girls to maintain this independence rule with them. In fact it is like asking from your employees to pay to come and work for you.

At Sharks or Oase, girls pay 105 per day, 20 to sleep at Sharks. Only 55 at GT. If sometimes really more than 200 girls at Sharks, then club make more than 20000, only with girls.

I remember when I discovered her in May 2014, my World regular worked only on week end, most often on Friday and Saturday, starting at 5 pm, sometimes on Sunday. On Winter 2014/2015, World asked girls to work 5 days per week, when World was empty, even on some Saturdays. On some Saturdays I was her only business with 2 or 3, 1 hour rooms, so 200 or 300, when she paid entry 95. She came for me on 2 Wednesdays on January when I couldn't go on week end because of Kitzbühel or Wengen. From her start at 5 pm to 4 am, was her only business with 2-1 hour rooms, 200 and entry 75 to pay for her, only 125 for her working 10 hours. I apologized about this, she answered no problem, we kept on meeting weekly for months, she never talked about money, she was too chic beauty for World clients level at this time, she became less elegant later. In brothels, some girls can do for you, for really not much money for them, maybe because they like you at this time.

[Optimist]

I agree with Pistons and Polyamorist that high entry prices for girls have bad effects. But of course the clubs are not interested as they earn a lot from the girls. As long as there is a supply of girls the clubs concerned will continue to see how much they can get from the girls. A big club could easily be taking g well over 10,000 euros (gross) a day from the girls.

The entry price for girls usually includes 25 euro which is tax to be passed on to the authorities.

[Mr Ho]

Because somebody has to stay behind and mind the shop. I generally assume that "billionaires" like Epstein, Kraft and Trump are just stooges / caretakers / middle managers. The real Owners are living the high life abroad in places where those kinds of laws don't apply. Ya maraary.

Now that we begin talking about this and today are Kelly got arrested LOL What is going on in US? LOL. These guy just has to go to Europe or south america.

Yes, I agree that some political figures and such are middle man. But most of the guys behind live rather conservatively.

The guys who live crazy are the ones in eastern Europe, and south america in some of these nations because laws there are money. But they do live risky life.

We monger have it good enough either and maybe we are in better place as we are safer with no problem because it is totally legal for us, we just have to fly to fuck LOL Air fucking.

[Mr Ho]

Because somebody has to stay behind and mind the shop. I generally assume that "billionaires" like Epstein and Trump are just stooges / caretakers / middle managers. The real Owners are living the high life abroad in places where those kinds of laws don't apply.

Yeah, I agree, but I also noticed that some of them pay life grave price for it. With this case, it is hard to determine how much of it was based on consensus, but I just think. Only if they just go abroad to do this. Then they did not need to pay such a life grave price for it.

Either way, we mongers in FKK land and related are lucky. We get the taste of it with most secure and safe environment, no string attached, but comes with full of sexual beautiful memories.

[Polyamorist]

Once again, billionaire got arrested in sex case in US. Beside being codeword. Why can't these US guys with money just go to Europe and go for 18 years old prostitute in Europe where it is legal?

Because somebody has to stay behind and mind the shop. I generally assume that "billionaires" like Epstein, Kraft and Trump are just stooges / caretakers / middle managers. The real Owners are living the high life abroad in places where those kinds of laws don't apply. Ya maraary.

[Polyamorist]

I suppose this is the reason why the Austrian Laufhouses are winning the competition against the FKK's in some Austrian markets these days. The FKK's owners being too greedy. Sucks though considering how dull Laufhouses are if you ask me.

I looked in some Laufhauses in Graz but they stunk. Literally. I thought the only guys who could stand them were the Turkish teenagers.

[Mr Ho]

Once again, billionaire got arrested in sex case in US. Beside being [CodeWord903]. Why can't these US guys with money just go to Europe and go for 18 years old prostitute in Europe where it is legal? It is much liberal when it comes to legal sex trade in Europe, but these guys stay home ground in US and do their thing and end up getting arrested and face serious charges that they will pay with not only money, but their life like a decade or decades in US jail.

[Member #4636]

I don't think with 115 entry an average girl makes 200 per day. She would be stupid to continue going there for 85 e per day.

The club should not even charge entry for the girls in my opinion. They already make crazy profits accepting only cash for entrance from customer and selling drinks for 170 euro with 35 euro wholesale price so can they ask money from the girls who visit every day? Their existence is because of the girls, if they stop going there will be no club.

I think they ask entrance from girls to maintain this independence rule with them. In fact it is like asking from your employees to pay to come and work for you.

[Pistons]

Salaam Pistons. Agreed. Since forever I've been standing on a box in the square cranking on about this. High entry prices (entry barriers) lead to over-professionalism & middlemanship.

You are absolutely right. And I suppose this is the reason why the Austrian Laufhouses are winning the competition against the FKK's in some Austrian markets these days. The FKK's owners being too greedy. Sucks though considering how dull Laufhouses are if you ask me. But everyone must consider what is best for themselves.

[Pistons]

At Artemis, the lack of competition just lets them set all the parameters they want.

[Pistons]

For the club with good facility and good enough girls sleeping place, then it is justified, but most clubs are not like that. I do like the set up of Artemis, they even have in house medical doctor.

Artemis has so many visitors that just the pure economics of scale should have lowered the entry price by 50%. Worst example if you ask me. Artemis is a goldmine like none other. If you had said Wellcum, then to an extent yes. Because they actually spend some money on the food and parties etc. And have brand new amenities. But fir Artemis to have just 5 euro less in entry and probably 30% more visitors (those expo's) doesn't add up at all!

[Mr Ho]

I think a main problem is the too high entry prices girls are paying every day to work in these clubs.

Don't think for a moment that if the price per session goes up, the clubs won't immediately start charging the girls more.

Many clubs charge over 100 e a day for entry for the girls. This is outrageous. And also why a club like Acapulco who does not charge these outrageous amounts are able to attract top girls even when their 30 min rate is just 40 euro. Acapulco has after what I know managed to hold the entry price for girls as low as 35 euro.

Say if a girl works 25 days a month. With 115 e entry as the most expensive clubs might have for the girls, that is 2 875 e a month. In other words, over 50% of the income of an average FKK girl goes straight to the club. Sure the top girls can make much more, but this is average. And this is what causes upsells in some clubs to be higher than in other clubs.

Say 15% of a clubs income goes to pay back on a loan and return on investment (this is very high, but its a risky market). 5% goes to management. 5% goes to renovation / amenities.

For the club with good facility and good enough girls sleeping place, then it is justified, but most clubs are not like that. I do like the set up of Artemis, they even have in house medical doctor.

[Pistons]

Salaam Pistons. Agreed. Since forever I've been standing on a box in the square cranking on about this. High entry prices (entry barriers) lead to over-professionalism & middlemanship.

Actually my calculations were too high I think. Girls shouldn't pay for management since they are the main attraction. It is just a silly gimmick seeing they are not allowed to work for the clubs. And also, since their entries are so many, they should get at least a 20 euro discount per entry from the rough numbers I came up with.