German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

While not getting into the same debate again, I broadly agree with you. I am however able to obtain good service at standard prices from a sufficient number of good looking girls in the megaclubs, and hence I have been going to those more often. The converse, I. E. Finding a sufficient number of high optics girls in the smaller, service oriented clubs has not been as easy a task, at least for me.

LR and GT is rather small club, especially LR. And personally, when it comes to service for standard 30 min rate, these two are the best I went from known clubs.

Oddly, in Artemis I got lucky few times of getting it all for 60 euro per 30 min session, meaning DFK, rimjob, DATY, BBBJ (it was before law) and fuck with condom, but I can count that in 6 years I went there till 2015. I am returning to Artemis this late summer, so I will see how that club changed after absences of few years.

NRW is good for service, but I tend to find optic of line up better in rip off club like palace and Artemis, underneath many many plastic monsters with ink on their body, I often found real beauty in those two clubs, usually they come with higher price tag LOL. Artemis disappointed me, let see if they change the line up to be better like it once used to be.

[Polyamorist]

I mean, how can feminists claim sex for money is derogatory when nurses clean the butts of sick 90 year old with diarrhea?

Salaam Pistons. At least nurses do something useful. Many girls in "respectable" jobs are doing make-work or worse.

I was recently smooching with a girl who was fresh from a call center. In her last job she was talking to people being rude to her all day. In her new job, guys were telling her how beautiful she was all day. Guess which job she preferred? Which job is better for people's mental health?

How about the pols switch their focus to outlawing telemarketing jobs, or any other industry that sets people against each other, instead of a service that people actually want?

[Pistons]

One of my favourites had been a nurse. She said she saw her new job as prostitute to be even more effective mental healthcare than being a nurse LOL.

She should become a nursery teacher!

I mean, how can feminists claim sex for money is derogatory when nurses clean the butts of sick 90 year old with diarrhea?

[Sirioja]

I agree 100 %. Siri couldn't say it better.

I believe there is high level however but that is less than 5 %.

I meant about cleverness, which is quite different from studies, or speaking many languages. Even my chic with charm were not so high level cleverness, one of the very rare for me is Kate, certainly why she has such success in her new business, without needing to gossip or bullshit, but charming companionship.

[Optimist]

I agree. And we men should be able to itemize and deduct our FKK / mongering related expenses as healthcare costs in our Tax Returns. These are truly medical expenses in my case, similar to medical marijuana. Without the FKK medications, my pain from the blue balls is excruciating, totally unbearable.

One of my favourites had been a nurse. She said she saw her new job as prostitute to be even more effective mental healthcare than being a nurse LOL.

[ExpatLover]

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

Not so sure that prostitutes decrease crime rates, how many man are never going to prostitutes and are a lot happier than those going every week several times. I reduced drastically my FKK visits in the last 2 years and I feel a lot better, when I see all those man mostly over 50 seating in the FKK waiting hours and hours in a dark bar area for eventually find a girl and after sometime coming out of the room even walking 3 meters from the girl he just had sex with, I am really happy to be able to change my sex addiction to far more positive things. The best sex is never with a prostitute and many of us are leaving the room after sessioning more frustrated than when we entered.

[Member #4636]

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

On that point what could we say about teachers or doctors then?

But it is not the girls that I mind they are tax avoiding but the clubs. In my country every company must by law have the ability to accept credit or debit cards and not only cash.

Only cash in business environment is not a good thing and causes many problems. And FKK clubs are legal companies right so why not plastic money? The only club I know so far accepting cards is Artemis.

[Gino02]

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

I agree. And we men should be able to itemize and deduct our FKK / mongering related expenses as healthcare costs in our Tax Returns. These are truly medical expenses in my case, similar to medical marijuana. Without the FKK medications, my pain from the blue balls is excruciating, totally unbearable.

[Pessimist]

NRW clubs tend to provide better service than Hessen or Berlin clubs, but yeah, I also noticed line up being rather mediocre with almost no stunner in line up, some day I got lucky, but optically NRW is lower than Frankfurt or Berlin clubs.

Oddly, best girls I had optically in past 10 years in German FKK were all in palace and also Artemis. Both are near city upsell clubs, so I guess most beautiful girls go where the money is.

While not getting into the same debate again, I broadly agree with you. I am however able to obtain good service at standard prices from a sufficient number of good looking girls in the megaclubs, and hence I have been going to those more often. The converse, I. E. Finding a sufficient number of high optics girls in the smaller, service oriented clubs has not been as easy a task, at least for me.

[Pessimist]

At smaller clubs where management is more hands-on and male customers are more socially interconnected and sharing information with one another, that sharky WG will not survive for long. She will need to conform or find a megaclub.

Yes, you are right. My example was more suited to a megaclub with neither a cartel of WGs nor a united monger group existing in that place. In a small club, as you say, some customers can gang up and blacklist the bad service WGs (or in some clubs a few sharky WGs May form a cartel). But as you pointed out, all the clubs are part of a larger paid sex system; so they are not truly islands on their own. Girls can leave and go to other clubs. Likewise, if a group of men are able to boycott a few sharky WGs thereby improving standards in that club, then word will leak out which brings other men (who are not related to the aforementioned united gang) to that club, some of them tourists too, and they can be preyed upon by the sharky WGs. So, the market clearing mechanism will still work as long as we have a large number of clubs.

[Mr Ho]

I plan to post individual reviews in the threads for each of these clubs, but here's my overall impression of Duss-area FKKs:

They are not as good as Frankfurt, not even close.

Living Room on Friday night had the full complement of girls (about 20 - 30). But only three were do-able to my taste, and I only got one. This club is way too small and barebones to charge a 60 Euro entry fee. But more on this greedy management later. I got a green-eyed, all natural Romanian brunette called Renata for a 130 Euro (1 HR) session with many of the extras I like (I'll include details in my Living Room thread review). As I mentioned, there were a couple of other girls I could have done at least a basic session with, but I was saving up for the following day. It may have been a mistake.

I drove out to Golden Time on Saturday afternoon. It's run by the same management at LR, and charged the same overpriced 60 Euro entry fee. This visit was a disgrace! It was my first FKK visit ever without even getting a single girl. It's my first-ever bad review of an FKK, or even bad forum review period. The club was infested with mongers at 3 in the afternoon. It seemed there were at least 100 guys. They ran out of lockers! They claimed to have 75 girls working, but all I saw was 25 ugly ones. Fake, old, and defensive (from all the guys). It was a disaster. When I left in a huff after only two hours of aimless wandering, the management ran out to ask what was wrong. They wouldn't offer to refund even a part of the entry fee, of course. Not even a free transfer to Living Room (just the standard discount).

NRW clubs tend to provide better service than Hessen or Berlin clubs, but yeah, I also noticed line up being rather mediocre with almost no stunner in line up, some day I got lucky, but optically NRW is lower than Frankfurt or Berlin clubs.

Oddly, best girls I had optically in past 10 years in German FKK were all in palace and also Artemis. Both are near city upsell clubs, so I guess most beautiful girls go where the money is.

[Mr Ho]

They don't get taxed on that amount, they get taxed on what they declare. You get my point!

Remember their money is without invoice, without receipt, even the entry in many clubs is without a POS machine, and no credit=debit cards accepted.

Soon or later, authority may enforce cashless payment in brothels LOL.

I think prostitutes should be entitled to be tax exempted and tax free because actually what they do decrease crime rate, give energy to many men's lives, and take the gas out of stressful society for men and above all they sell dreams to men and make us feel complete as man in area of lust and desire. Prostitution as occupation is so underrated by society.

[McAdonis]

Indeed, I have noticed the same too. The exception however is if they have kids. If that is the case, then they tend to think more long term in order to save up a lot more. Although most girls won't admit to having kids even if they do.

I believe that superstar WGs exhibit two qualities in abundance: (1) mature for their age, and (2) patient beyond belief. Becoming a mother generally enhances both of those traits. Using my stubborn, 21 year old self as a point of reference, the immature ones often have more attitude and are more prone to mouth off and they already think they know everything. Being patient is useful when dealing with the crazy, annoying, and mentally unstable customers. Or dealing with customers that think they know it all and want to dispense advice to you. Impatient, immature WGs would roll their eyes to these customers' faces, whereas the mature, patient ones would do it after these customers paid them.

[McAdonis]

The girl you are mention who deal less with customer likely still need the moneys, but they wishing to make most money with least amount of customer and least amount of wear on the body. These are such girls who demand 100 for 30 minute, typically prefer more expensive anal customer to save their sore vagina, and have client list of lonely widower type man who just wish talk them several hours in room without any or much actual service. Such girl avoid regular clients who only give normal 100 for 60 min. Instead these girl seek the "extras" customer or overpaying tourist they can exploiting with 5 minute session. Agreeing with you that such girl seek less stress and more smoke break, but for them I believing money is still a main motivation for remain in FKK.

My stance is most WGs hate their jobs. And that the WGs do indeed observe other WGs. They see that superstar WG making 1000 EUR, but spending a full 10-12 full hours interacting with customers (pre, post, and actual zimmer time). Then they see a sharky WG making 500 EUR but spending only about 2-3 hours interacting with customers and on "smoke break" the other 9-10 hours. Many WGs choose to model themselves after the sharky WG, even though it is glaringly obvious that the superstar WG makes more.

If the WG truly hates her job, then the second option is more preferable because it allows her to maintain her sanity. The superstar WG, although she makes more per 12 hour shift, may be looked upon as a "sucker". Romanians grew up in a corrupt system, so finding ways to outsmart the system and cut corners became a survival skill for them. They are sometimes ambivalent about dishonesty. If executed in a clever way, cheating, unscrupulous behavior, and pilfering is often looked upon with admiration. They even have a word for this: smecherie.

https://books.google.de/books?id=rXo...Bcut%2Bcorners

Pretending and "faking emotions" is mentally and emotionally draining. Have you guys never had a job you hated? Or worked for a boss that you wanted to punch in the face? You find ways to take longer breaks, avoid, disengage, and mentally recharge between each dreaded interaction. When you hate a large portion of your waking hours, being always "present" sucks your will to live. And you stay only at the job because you are comfortable and secure. Doing the bare minimum and mentally checking out is then the key to longevity and the key to avoiding burnout.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markmur...o-be-miserable

[McAdonis]

Of course, the strong minded among us would say "just withhold paying any extras to the girls and do not give business to the bad service girls, and eventually they will be so devoid of any business and either have to change their ways or leave the business altogether". In effect, these guys have faith in the market and suggest that if only the mongers stayed united and stopped rewarding the bad service girls, the world would be alright.

I do not disagree with this view, but the flaw is that mongers are no more united than the girls. Invariably, the tourists, newbies, mongers flush with excess cash, and many others do not care about paying a few euros extra and break ranks. As in any market, it is the *marginal buyer and marginal seller* that sets the clearing price.

At smaller clubs where management is more hands-on and male customers are more socially interconnected and sharing information with one another, that sharky WG will not survive for long. She will need to conform or find a megaclub.