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[Pessimist]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes..

I am not a London specialist but have used a few agencies like Euro Angels, Dior, Pure Pleasure and Diva during my travels to London. I have had mixed luck as it has been with all my escort experiences. First time with a girl is always a hit or miss. I prefer repeats for that reason but it is not always possible given that I am not a London resident. Prices can vary substantially and I have paid as much as 350 pounds per hour although also paid 200 a few times. Escorts tend to be older in my experience and tough to fund truly 19 to 20 or even 21 year olds that I prefer. Photoshopping is always an issue. Reviews do help however.

Fkks are a different animal. There are very few 9's and 10's in terms of facial beauty. But there is no deception or bait and switch because you can see the girl buck naked. Prices can't be beat. Most importantly, if you are wrong about a specific girl no sweat, cut your loss short in half hour, shower and back in the business to choose another or another or one more from a hundred girls. I have not paid personally the 500 to 800 that some London escorts demand per hour. For that amount, you can fuck 6 girls in FKK.

Also, I see fewer number of tit jobs in FKKs. Romanian girls are somewhat petite and small chested on average which suits me.

That said, London is one of the better places for escort usage. Quality is generally high but so are the prices.

[Sirioja]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

Met some Polish escorts in Paris for 250 €/ h who did escort in London before for 300 pounds, they were not really high level for me, lack of GFE and sensuality. Tried 2 UK woman, one was reddish hair with milky skin becoming red under sun in Spain, in real life when I was on holidays, they were surprised by so many and long foreplay they never experienced in their UK life, UK don t seem to be very high level in bed, if You want really high level, go to Globe Zurich with German Joana, Romanian Kate. Some pretty Romanians are my best GF in bed and they can compete with Russian escorts in Paris, are higher level GF than Germans or Polish, highest level girls usually don't upsell and want to please You to make You return, for their business, for 100/ h rate. Sharks may not be a exceptional casting, at least for my eyes.

[Takedown]

It's the Bergmann's rule.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann%27s_rule

Suggesting that people are taller at the equator and the poles is obviously ludicrous and unfounded. Inuits who live at the poles are short. South Americans and southeast Asians are short. Only some tribes in Africa boast average heights of six footers but that is the exception rather than the rule.

This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/..._variation.pdf

It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).

I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.

The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.

[Steve 9696]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

I feel pretty well qualified to talk on this, having seen 8 girls in the FKK in Feb and 5 girls in London in April. Although my recent FKK was CH / AU I have done Frankfurt in the past.

The experiences couldn't be more different and are both great. First I should say that although some bash the Romanian girls I am a Ro-girl fan. All my FKK girls and all my London girls are Ro-girls so this is really apples to apples.

In performance and looks you will do well either place. If it is all about performance and looks, then London is more reliable. This is because if you use a good agency like Diva, all the girls have reviews. If you go with a girl who is well reviewed and said to look like her pics or better you are pretty much guaranteed that to be the case. In the FKK of course the optics are self explanatory being in person but the in room can be quite variable. Usually good, but just not as reliable as well reviewed London hotties.

That said, I consider the looks and performance bars to be exceeded in either locale. But what differs is the experience. FKK is the king of the world experience. Sit, enjoy a cocktail, survey the beautiful women knowing you can have any one at the flick of a finger. Wow. Nothing like it. King of the world baby.

On the other hand if you want intimate GFE that feels real, there is nothing like bringing a bottle of wine to a girls room and making out on the very bed she will sleep in later that night. It is an intimate experience to be invited into her space and share it for a few hours. And the best girls will bring the GFE right along with it.

So do yourself a favor and do both. They are both great in their own way.

Oh and put Brazil on your list if u have not been. Yet another great format (the Boate) and the girls are second to none.

[Neurosynth]

A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.

This looks pretty good, but I've not yet done more than just skim it.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1431/jaro2015/..._variation.pdf

It looks to me like the further north the taller. (Allowing, of course, for all the typical notions regarding variation in statistics, as well as non-genetic differences such as food supply.).

I wouldn't be surprised if evolution would shorten people in hotter climates. If you scale the human body (or any object really) up the ratio of surface area to volume decreases. So cooling increases as a power of two, but heat production will increase as a power of three.

The impact of that is that larger people transfer their total heat more slowly. In cold climates that's what you would want. In hot climates you would want the opposite; for heat to transfer more quickly, thus smaller bodies.

[Mr Ho]

people living around don't seem to like this business.

The threat to each married house holds for wives LOL.

[Raj20]

I will be in Frankfurt for one night in end of June. Looking to spend sometime in one FFK, considering sharks and Oase. Need recommendations for regulars who have recently gone to these places and guide which one to go to. Reading reports sharks has better optics but more sharky behavior from girls? I am looking for longer sessions with a few girls rather than 30 min ones. Also if going to Sharks, is that easily accessible using public transport?

Thanks for the help.

[Sirioja]

I am more worried about the 40 to 70 cover charge at Babylon than anything else here. YY will get revived. Aca tried to stretch it as long as they could. But if the new thing is clubs after renovating bumps up entry prices by 75%, then that is more worrysome than anything else. Because that also draws from the budget we plan on spending on the girls. And in nrw especially, the clubs lineups usually are not over 50 girls. So chances are you may end up wanting to test the waters in two clubs instead of just one to bump up your luck. And with 70 e entries, it won't feel like a bargain any longer.

Babylon Elsdorf entry was 60 and could compete for club services with GT with better foods at Bab, higher level than LR, Aca. Bab was really improved, I don't agree with entry increased to 70 , but I wish good luck to Eddy because he spent to improve his club, he really welcome clients, I won't forget when I m not a regular how he tried to please me to watch ski. Was also amazing at 6 ens. NL when they didn't know me and found Eurosport 2 among Spanish channels, incredible, when at LR fat watch only Bundesliga 2.

From what locals seemed so happy to tell me, not sure YY will open soon, people living around don't seem to like this business.

Will be happy for Aca to stay alive, even when Kate ask me, no reason to return.

About condoms, no need to get a good BJ in NRW or Hessen, when girls like You, they will to please You back and some run for CIM business.

[Sirioja]

Don't take me wrong. I like the pretty Romanian girls. But it becomes a monoculture since last few years. I think about 85% girls in FKK are from Romania. Could anybody tell me, where are the girls from another countries, e. G. Russia, Ukraine, Columbia etc. ?

Is there any underground rule, that only Romanian are allowed to work?

If you want Russian beauties not far from Germany, go to Brussels where 200/ h or Paris where 200/300/ h, but I find some Romanian beauties in FKK land and I create higher level with them than with most of escorts. My last one, 29 yo, long time in business, real woman type, smiled to all guys except me, so I tested her returning to my pretty discovery just in front of her. After my repeat with discovery, I went to Romanian, great surprise in bed, even I planned to return home, we took appointment for 2 hours later, she was a bit late, she apologized, much over 1 hour for our second room, but still 100 like for first, not the faintest money talk, she is super honest, like many others I think she is happy to get a bad guy for regular, so we both win. Just wish she won t change too fast, good point is she knows this business for years, but some girls are still fresh for woman part after years, when some lose freshness quite fast.

[Mr Ho]

This eBay seller may be legit, but it just makes me nervous. You can't buy them for that price at the local discount store in Japan (they are $16 there) and the $13 eBay price includes free shipping. For something this important I am willing to pay the extra for the piece of mind that they are legit and coming from Japan.

By the way, I hear they sell them in Germany with different franchise name, I think it is called big boy in Germany. Some mongers here were talking about it.

[Prizzo0528]

I'll be visiting a FKK for the first time (probably Sharks) in July. I'll also be in London for a few nights and will be trying out their highly esteemed escort scene. I've been reviewing various websites and some of the girls are stunning. Many of the client reviews confirm this.

I'm wondering if any of you have experienced the London escort scene and would be willing to share how the quality of girls compares. I always like to set my expectations ahead of time, and from reading some of the posts on the various FKK sites on ISG I wonder if I might be better served just canceling my trip to Germany and indulging with a few more London escorts.

Money is only somewhat of s factor, but experiencing a perfect 10 in the bedroom supersedes.

Thanks in advance.

PK.

If the girls are generally as good looking at FKK as they are compared to the London escort scene, it will help with my expectations.

[Pistons]

I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.

I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/s...ine-genes.html

(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)

A far more interesting discussion is weather or not 'tall' is the norm for healthy people. There could be a bounce back towards shorter people after nutritional and environmental levels improved also. And then there is the height belt around the world too. Basically near the equator and poles people are taller than at 45 degree latitude. Is that just pure coincidence? Is height related to stellar radiation, ground radiation? I am certain we are mostly guessing here on several fronts. And we only have parts of the picture. As you say, mainly speculations.

[Neurosynth]

As a 'doctor', do you find it useful to petition common people on why they are not taller?

As a side note, this was the common belief related to the height of Japanese people back in the 60's too. But at some point, they stopped growing even though their income and nutritional levels grew substantially.

I'm not a doctor. But I do, at times, actually talk to women who do sex work. Try it sometime.

I can't address the case in Japan, but there are epigenetic effects that are almost Lamarckian in their effect. I. e. Environmental effects can alter the expression of genes in a way that can be inherited across generations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/s...ine-genes.html

(The applicability here is, of course, speculative. But it is not implausible.)

[ZimmerBaby]

From 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJRBx0JjM_M

[Pessimist]

Magnum should be next on the closing list, followed by PHG. New clubs will likely pop up. It's just a form of creative destruction, an essential part of capitalism. No big deal!

Yeah I pretty much said the same thing a couple of days ago. Businesses and companies close all the time and new companies are born. Sharks itself is not that old and it is in my view, the #1 club by far -- certainly in terms of number of girls. Over the years, my visits to NRW and other clubs have been tapering down and I'm spending most of my money in a few big clubs.

Club managements should focus on running a tight ship, know their customers, and make sure they are able to provide what their customers want.

In my view, the clientele is changing. And club managers need to focus on this changing mix and pay attention.

First, the international mix has clearly gone up over time.

I know that members will pooh pooh the importance of internationals and whether they matter at all. They do for some clubs.

The big Frankfurt clubs have been dependent on international mix for a while. It is not just the Male attendance, but also WGs who are dependent on them. A trained Asian hunter can make 500 off a big spending Asian man in a single session. To her it does not matter if the Male attendance per day declines from 250 to 200. She just needs 4 or 5 big spenders per week that can hand over 400 to 500 each and her week is done. If the club is able to attract a decent number of such men, it can also retain 30 to 40 Asian hunters. So there is a symbiotic relationship there. Given that at least 30% to 40% of club revenues come from WGs, club managers should focus on this aspect. Mainly they need to make sure their girls have enough business and are happy. Unhappy girls leave the club and that in turn turns off the Male demand.

Some niche clubs like Bernds will survive for a long time but then again they know their customers.

Like in many industries, this business too has the potential to bifurcate into a few niches. Fly in tourists want to focus on a few mega clubs. They have a huge fixed cost of airfare and hotel and vacation days used up etc so they do not want to risk going to a middling club, find that the service sucks or there is a lot of sharky upselling or worse yet, doors closed. They want predictable clubs, reasonable pricing, a large LU to choose from, even positive reviews on sites like ISG to incent their travel, ease of transportation and good and inexpensive hotels nearby. It does not matter to them if they need to pay 10 or 20 tip on a 50 session. What does matter is that you spend 2000 on flight and hotel and have only 40 average looking girls with lousy service.

I am not a local but if I were, I would probably want a low entry fee, easy commute close to my home, and some reliable girls. I would not necessarily need to visit a club because I can also do local escorts, RLD, other things. And I am not looking to binge fuck 5 girls per visit, but have one or two sessions per visit and repeat this on a consistent, weekly basis. This does help those smaller niche clubs that cater to those needs.

The ones that are caught in the middle are those with no defined clientele, average facilities, weak LU and uncaring managements that do not grasp changing dynamics of the market.