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[LshRoomer]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I just hope the original poster doesn't think I meant for him to avoid clubs like Penelope. I just think that it doesn't make a good first impression of the FKK experience. I popped my FKK cherry with GoldenTime Bruggen 14 years ago which was a perfect place to start. The reception was welcoming, food was good, upswell was rare, service reliable, and optics above average to good.

I think Venus gives all of that at a smaller scale, where clubs like Gold and Penelope offers little in ambiance and amenities with more potential for lackluster service as well a few more girls with cringe optics. As a long time clubgoer, I like those budget clubs just fine but just wish a more luxurious initial FKK experience upon first timers.

Hey Escape,

Advice like what you provided is exactly what I was looking for, that insight into the scene that you would give to a 1st timer.

Just to clarify, you do not mean Villa-venus, right? Because I've seen Villa-venus and Venus saunaclub.

My mission from Amsterdam will be via train, so there won't be an opportunity to stop by on the way to essen, but that's cool. I love train rides in EU, especially with fresh mind expanding goodies from AMS and an FKK awaiting you upon your arrival LOL.

[Tintin1]

Everyone talks so much about the clubs in Germany. Doesn't anyone go 'down' to Vienna. Plus a few higher end Bordellos get good reviews. The amount of clubs surrounding the city make it almost as ripe as any of the other areas. Plus the food city is fun.

[Turgid]

I asked a WG to go out on a dinner date with me. It took her a while to dwell on it but she finally agreed. Here is the question: am I expected to pay for her time / what is the best way to ask about this question?

Around 15 years ago I met this Hungarian in Oase and we decided to spend time together off site. She drove me around in her car and I paid for meals and drinks. We had a totally fun time. At that time I found girls readily available to meet outside the club. However, in recent times I found that not to be the case. It is my observation that girls' attitudes have changed; now it is all about the money.

[Escape Artist]

SOunds good to me, thanks for the info! It looks like both Venus and Penelope are equidistant from my place (about an hour). I only have one day in Essen, before moving on to Berlin. I've heard mixed reviews about Artemis, so I wanted another FKK to compare it to before partaking. Besides that, I have a girl in Berlin that may absorb my time, keeping me from checking out Artemis.

I'll hit Venus around 2 and chill for a couple hours, after elevating the afternoon with some of the freshness from Amsterdam. LOL. I'll see how things work out and report back.

If coming from Amsterdam and traveling to thesseldorf by car, it's actually on the way and just off the A3 autobahn.

Their website actually gives you an accurate line up for who is working so you can preview it before you head over. Usually only 1 or 2 girls are there from open until 1 pm and the other 10 or so start trickling in between 1 and 4 pm.

Here's the line up page. A green dot appears when the girl is working:

https://saunaclubgirls.6profis.de/

I personally recommend Anka, Sara, and Eugenia as they all fit my optics and all provide good service.

[Escape Artist]

I think Escape Artist won't point you wrong. I have to disagree with Siroja that Penelope is not full FKK because not fully nude. That is a lame purist distinction. They are "nearly nude" honestly not unlike most girls at Sharks. And it's the regular FKK kinda thing otherwise. I had very solid in room experiences there and left happy. Def recommend. Tho maybe try EAs idea first.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I just hope the original poster doesn't think I meant for him to avoid clubs like Penelope. I just think that it doesn't make a good first impression of the FKK experience. I popped my FKK cherry with GoldenTime Bruggen 14 years ago which was a perfect place to start. The reception was welcoming, food was good, upswell was rare, service reliable, and optics above average to good.

I think Venus gives all of that at a smaller scale, where clubs like Gold and Penelope offers little in ambiance and amenities with more potential for lackluster service as well a few more girls with cringe optics. As a long time clubgoer, I like those budget clubs just fine but just wish a more luxurious initial FKK experience upon first timers.

[LshRoomer]

I doubt many of the experts here will agree with me but I would say FKK Saunaclub Venus mid afternoon later in the week would be a great first experience when staying north of Dusseldorf. It's a smaller club with an equally small line up of about 10-12 girls, so the ratio can be bad but the optic quality is good and service reliably above average to great. I like Gold and Penelope but I think your first visit should be to a club with nice, clean facilities with reliable service rather than the more run down options with iffy reliability in service quality.

Just make sure to get there early to scope out the line up as girls start their shifts as to not be caught in a queue waiting for the top 3-4 girls. Arriving at 2 pm on a Wednesday-Friday would make a great first visit to grab the top girls available for your first room then decide on the next girl throughout the late afternoon or early evening.

Starting at this club first would at least guarantee a good experience at a club that doesn't have the dirty hooker-house feel. With a good first experience under your belt, then move on to clubs like Gold and Penelope to shop in bigger line ups.

I say this from what I observed introducing American first timers to FKK. All enjoyed high amenity clubs like Sharks and the former GoldenTime while they were more apprehensive about the more run-down clubs like Acapulco Gold and Prime. Penelope may be a very slight upgrade in terms of mainstream feel but still definitely has a budget club feel. Those clubs are more tailored for ballers on a budget and hardcore hobbyists looking for diamonds in the rough.

I would suggest Babylon for similar reasons except that the line up optics is pretty meh. Plus it's located towards western Cologne which is a bit of a ways from Essen. You would also likely be disappointed by Bernd's line up optics.

SOunds good to me, thanks for the info! It looks like both Venus and Penelope are equidistant from my place (about an hour). I only have one day in Essen, before moving on to Berlin. I've heard mixed reviews about Artemis, so I wanted another FKK to compare it to before partaking. Besides that, I have a girl in Berlin that may absorb my time, keeping me from checking out Artemis.

I'll hit Venus around 2 and chill for a couple hours, after elevating the afternoon with some of the freshness from Amsterdam. LOL. I'll see how things work out and report back.

[Pessimist]

I asked a WG to go out on a dinner date with me. It took her a while to dwell on it but she finally agreed. Here is the question: am I expected to pay for her time / what is the best way to ask about this question?

Are you expecting to have sex either her?

But yes, money exchange is expected. Depends on the specific girl of course but they are all about money, they are not in the clubs to find love life.

I have been quoted 600 to 1000 to spend 12 to 24 hours with girls but didn't appeal to me. First, the charm of going to FKKs is to fuck a bunch of girls quickly. If I were to spend a grand on a girl, I might spend a couple of hours fucking and rest of the time yapping. Why am I supposed to pay for that?

And given the price increases, these girls might be quoting much more than a grand to spend a day with you these days.

[Steve 9696]

That has not been my experience and I am basically 60 (but look mid / late forties I'm told) But I am very good at the Seeking game and picking the girls. Only guys who haven't experienced a true Seeking win doubt the reality of the relationships. They aren't all magic. But some are absolutely an amazing NSA relationship with a 35 year age gap and both parties truly enjoy each other.

This isn't the place for debating that feel free to talk with the other afficiandos in the Seeking thread but I am not alone in saying it absolutely exists and it's more than just transactional.

Ok to be fair, Maybe me and some other guys have the slightly unfair advantage of being tall, not overweight, and relatively handsome in the scheme of things. But honestly these girls care more about being treated well and laughing and genuinely having someone they vibe with. Most (all?) have daddy issues and having an older man treat them well makes them very happy. And some of these girls REALLY enjoy sex. My home girl (now officially a mistress!) will go for 2 hrs and a couple rounds and always up for more or more often. And the girl I met recently in London (plan to repeat) I thought I about wore her out. But she's def up for more asking when I'm coming back. She def loves to get it hard and heavy. Not at all intimidated by how devastatingly long it takes me to cum. Like my home girl she likes the long finish older guys provide.

[Steve 9696]

I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.

That has not been my experience and I am basically 60 (but look mid / late forties I'm told) But I am very good at the Seeking game and picking the girls. Only guys who haven't experienced a true Seeking win doubt the reality of the relationships. They aren't all magic. But some are absolutely an amazing NSA relationship with a 35 year age gap and both parties truly enjoy each other.

This isn't the place for debating that — feel free to talk with the other afficiandos in the Seeking thread — but I am not alone in saying it absolutely exists and it's more than just transactional.

[Pessimist]

I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.

Seeking is alright but is a lot of hard work. If you are single, it is easier to handle. Also save some money on hotel rent if you can meet at your own place. I have been on seeking for 6 years, longer than most folks on that site. Like many things in life, things have gotten worse, especially after Covid. There is a dedicated thread on seeking, can read the stories there but some posts are overly rosy and hide or downplay the amount of due diligence one has to do to pick the good ones: has definitely become considerable. Then there are other reports on seeking thread from mongers who had a few bad experiences and turn excessively negative. I find neither type of report to be useful. In the end, the only experience that matters is your own. Unlike in FKKs there is no uniformity, no standards. Which is why the recent state of FKKs is a bit discouraging, that everything is up for haggling. If you read Sharks and Oase of late, think of seeking as involving 25 times as much negotiation, and with people you can't see, many of who are probably outright scammers. Being a cold, hard negotiator is a must; even enjoy the process. Or else you and your money are easily parted.

I'd not let your age be a deterrent. You never know what you may experience for yourself. More than age, your location is an issue and if I recall right, you are in the NYC vicinity. That tends to be an expensive area. Also, from your comments I gathered you don't throw money around carelessly (half of the girls want to be "spoiled" So, if you strictly hold the line on price, you will have fewer successes. On the other hand, you also said you are less sensitive to optics, which can tilt the odds in your favor.

[Sirioja]

I asked a WG to go out on a dinner date with me. It took her a while to dwell on it but she finally agreed. Here is the question: am I expected to pay for her time / what is the best way to ask about this question?

Let her ask. Maybe she is love. Then problems will start.

[Tintin1]

I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.

Turgid.

I completely agree about the age factor but don't let anyone fool you. The girls of SA are not expecting Pretty Woman story. They are expecting or needing $$, even if they are willing to spend a couple hours with you. Another thing is the need for planning. Most SA arrangements require time and planning, few ladies are available if you decide at the last minute to have sex. Then there is the need for location, ie a hotel or your bedroom!

Give me an FKK! Whether you go for the multiple partners in one night or the thrill of a new girl the nice thing about going to a club is the scenery. There is something to be said for sipping a espresso or a drink and staring out at a room of naked women. Even when there are a few 3's and 4's mixed into the room!

[Turgid]

Sharks still rules for glitz and glam but got to agree the luster is gone. I also used to go out of my way. Now I'm kinda meh on it. Had adequate experiences recently. Nothing more. Would rather hit Vive in Madrid or Scandalo in Malaga tho my penchant for Latinas biases me a bit. And in general I've become a little less enamored with the clubs since I've been getting real 100% GFE With Seeking Arrangement girls. Afraid Ive been poisoned and club girls can never live up to the real life stuff I get with SA. But yeah, Sharks has lost its "must do" appeal.

I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.

[YodaXxx]

I asked a WG to go out on a dinner date with me. It took her a while to dwell on it but she finally agreed. Here is the question: am I expected to pay for her time / what is the best way to ask about this question?

[Sirioja]

Sharks still rules for glitz and glam but got to agree the luster is gone. I also used to go out of my way. Now I'm kinda meh on it. Had adequate experiences recently. Nothing more. Would rather hit Vive in Madrid or Scandalo in Malaga tho my penchant for Latinas biases me a bit. And in general I've become a little less enamored with the clubs since I've been getting real 100% GFE With Seeking Arrangement girls. Afraid Ive been poisoned and club girls can never live up to the real life stuff I get with SA. But yeah, Sharks has lost its "must do" appeal.

Quantity don t always mean quality and same at Globe. I prefer only 1 elegant with charm natural beauty rather than 50 at Globe or 80 at Sharks too expensive average looks.