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[Ky Daddy]

Hello all,

As can be seen by my posting frequency, I have been out of Europe for over two years. Because of this, I am completely out of touch with all that is or has happened in FKK land in the last 2 years (not that I was a true expert to start). I have now moved to Germany (near Frankfurt) and am ready to get my feet wet again. The difference this time is that my girlfriend (20 years younger than me) is with me. She and I have done some things in the past that can be categorized as swinging and the nudist / naturalist lifestyle but have never gone to a FKK Club. She is intrigued by the idea and I want to take her to one and share the experience with her. But I want it to be a good experience so that there is a high probability that she will like it and want to explore others with me. So the selection of the first FKK, is an important one. As I try to remember my FKK experiences of the past, I cannot recall seeing a couple at any of the Frankfurt FKKs and think I have only seen a couple once at Magnum up in the NRW area. So this is completely new to me (to us) and would like some advice on both generalities and particulars from members who have more experience than me. As everyone has a different comfort level, it may be best to share our (her) expectations while in a FKK. She would like the ability to be and possibly walk around naked (especially near pool, saunas and outdoor areas); sex with women in the club (both active and watching me) - I know this is lady specific; she would like to possibly have sex with another male guest (no exchange of money) - I know this may not go over well with the ladies in the club so it is not a requirement. So on to my general questions, I will ask the specific questions after we narrow down where we want to go.

Is there a recommended FKK in the Frankfurt area that is more couple friendly than others? Are there specific days that are better?

The same question for Germany as a whole- is there a FKK or Sauna Club that is considered to be the best for couples?

Best wishes,

KY.

[Pistons]

This is a link to a video of a celebrity telling a story on a talk show: https://youtu.be/U3zCAPf9nVI Notice the facial expressions, hand gestures, the changing tones in his voice for emphasis, pausing for effect, touching and playfully interacting with his audience. And then there is witty banter from the fat bald guy. Skills like this cannot be sharpened by text messaging and internet forums.

This post has gotten long. My social skills (or possibly lack thereof) tell me that most people probably have stopped reading. And I suspect, even before that, many people probably scrolled past as soon as they saw "McAdonis", because they don't want to read my psycho-babble. That's fine. I don't want to be a serial poster, because that would be, well, annoying

The end was the highlight here actually.

Regarding the celebrity with his story, that is at professional actor level of story telling there. Something they teach in rethorics class even. And it takes a long time to master it. You also won't find many people below the age of 40. Or maybe even below the age of 50 that are as good as he is. I think especially these hand and body gestures is something we can improve on all our lives without fully mastering it. As we grow older, our tunnel vision also expands, so we are able to notice more things going on around us. Getting such crazy stories may be the hardest part though. Maybe he just made up that one too. But since he is such a great actor, it is much harder to spot it, than among the STEM friends who never hit the gym.

Personally I have mainly felt my social skills with girls go up and down dependent on my personal looks and shape. I've had periods where I did tons of sports and hit the gym a lot, and periods with far less where my physique were hurt. The physical effects got probably mirrored in self awareness too. Something girls sense. Pluss girls are as much into looks as we are. So a STEM geek has the odds against him unless he spends time at the gym. I also believe Jordan Peterson has a point when discussing #metoo. Where he states how guys have no chance at noticing all these minor impulses girls give off. Perhaps a main reason for the #metoo stories we get all the time these days, are in fact related to what we are discussing here. Guys spending too much time in isolation behind a computer screen, and not getting that face to face experience. Especially with women.

Secondly, excusing oneself for a tldr post is something I have noticed works well too. It helps other people find empathy. So in a way you are programming other people into not thinking it was too long. And into making excuses for you subconsciously in their minds. I said some of the same thing to a girl recently who responded with 'don't excuse yourself'. Just thought I'd point that out. I believe the term is cognitive programming. Very useful way of thinking of it. For example for use in robotics. Something STEM professionals should take note in. Meaning they need to improve their social skills if they ever want to get good at robotics programming.

[Nr 71]

A few things I know. Munich sucks. Graz sucks. Maxim and Goldentime Vienna are both supposed to be good.

If you MUST do Graz as I did (I mean you can't skip a perfectly good day of fucking just because the venue sucks) then Claudius Caesar will do in a pinch. The bar and rooms are great but the girls tend more towards 4-6 range. See my report in recent pages in the Graz forum. I found a 6. 5 that gave me a great time. So it is possible.

Thank you for your answer!

[Sirioja]

Siri, I can become friend with benefit with FKK women, they cut me better service, I go with them when I am in German FKK over the years and as I wrote before when they are gone, some of them are still in my memories because they gave me such a good sexual memories.

However, it is hard for my rational ass to feel or have mindset like you toward women I meet in German FKK simply because it is brothel.

I know some of them are nice hearted and I respect them for their strength to be so nice like them in not so nice situation of their life. But I cannot have more feeling than appreciation and some kind of friendship with benefit with these girls I meet in German FKK because again German FKK is brothel.

Also bottom line is that I only love women for how they look and I want to fuck them, but I cannot love them after youth and beauty is gone like many guys do during marriage.

You don't seem to love women. With my mother, I could only love women and elegance.

[Takedown]

mWhen someone has locked himself in dark rooms staring at screens most of his adult life, they will be horrible at reading body language and facial expressions. They talk when they should be listening. They joke when they should not. They force a joke, even after it falls flat. When their audience is visibly uncomfortable, they do not recognize it, and stay on the same subject. They are not cognizant of the audience and do not know social cues. Most people will find this type of person incredibly annoying

Bump.

Key description is that they are not cognizant.

That is the danger of full time mongering. The continuous validation and reinforcement of poor social skills stunts growth. Even if one does not monger year round, hanging on to those moments of happiness from a far away land also perpetuates that arrested development.

[Mr Ho]

Internet and video games have slowly been replacing face-to-face human interactions. I would say that ages of 16-25 are prime years for learning social skills. These are the years when one starts to gain independence from parents and when one has the most free time to socialize.

Second, I would say all humans need some form of social interaction, although it varies from person to person. Naturally introverted or ostracized people will spend more time alone at home. Even these people have a need to interact with humans, so internet forums, SMS, and video games meet that need, but just BARELY. Thus technology provides them just enough social interaction, so they are not motivated to meet real friends at the pub. The technology then becomes their "safe" place and comfort zone. And soon they find themselves using their preferred choice of technology every waking minute that they are not at work or school. This stunts social development.

Man, if you can think so deep and long like this on the subject of social skill, you got some social skill knowledge LOL.

Whats up with this sex forum and this social skill and human connection shit? You monger for that? It is each their own, but if so that is to my surprise because I monger for sex and sex only, I want to fuck many beautiful girls all over world including my own nations Eurasian, that is why I monger.

Anyway, there is no social skill I know of that enable mongers to talk about this in most of mongers private life, so one can talk about mongering on sex forum like this one with anonymity, so technology allowed us human, in this case monger to discuss what we cannot talk about in open space in close space on internet like this sex forum is dedicated for mostly monger. Therefore, technology is not bad thing.

I am in office now, and when I go for lunch in about one hour time and if some colleague may mention about let say maria ozawa or rola takizawa being hot, I must go along with them and just say something like yeah, they are hot girls, but I cannot say I fucked them before, then somehow I will be talked about and criticized, so the social skill is to just lie and hide, I cannot tell them about my mongering side. But see this is odd thing, people watch, talk about porn star being hot etc. But if you actually fucked them, it is not wise to just say, I fucked them for 150000 yen (about 1500 USD) or 50000 yen (500 USD), then suddenly I will be criticized, so social skill is to just lie and say something that fit the moment, it is ape like human behavior on their side because they jerk off to porn stars, but if one fuck them for money it is bad thing to do in society LOL. I mean how hypocrite and ironic is that? It is like this because we all are planted that liberal sex and achieving what you want in area of lust is bad thing even it is legal. I would say, social skill in certain case like this very not natural and uncomfortable thing to do where one has to say cliche to fit in to society norm to protect your self and avoid nonsense problems.

[Takedown]

If person A knows quite a bit about X, and person B knows very little about X, it's not surprising when B thinks he knows as much about X as A does.

And A knows he doesn't.

It happens a lot. Just check out facebook discussions. You often see some geek talking about theories and the Cosmos like he has a PhD on the subject; but if you click on his profile, you see that he is some random loser working a dead end sales and marketing job with no discernible skills. Knowledge signaling when one has minimum familiarity but certainly not mastery of the subject matter, it's a character flaw of low value people.

[McAdonis]

True. But as far as I am aware, this loneliness epidemic is not related to the channels of online communication. They are secondary. But more to the technologies themselves. Which are the primary part. Such as a smartphone. An xbox. A computer. Or some fancy new toy you can play with alone. It is not like it was when I was young and all I spent my time on was playing ball sports like football and some basket. Or other games with 5-10 friends. I have seen this shift away from sports with friends towards technology related stuff one step at a time.

Internet and video games have slowly been replacing face-to-face human interactions. I would say that ages of 16-25 are prime years for learning social skills. These are the years when one starts to gain independence from parents and when one has the most free time to socialize.

Second, I would say all humans need some form of social interaction, although it varies from person to person. Naturally introverted or ostracized people will spend more time alone at home. Even these people have a need to interact with humans, so internet forums, SMS, and video games meet that need, but just BARELY. Thus technology provides them just enough social interaction, so they are not motivated to meet real friends at the pub. The technology then becomes their "safe" place and comfort zone. And soon they find themselves using their preferred choice of technology every waking minute that they are not at work or school. This stunts social development.

Let's take an average 60 year old person, born in 1959. I would say that this 60 year old had better social skills in 1979 than the average 20 year old today. And also better social skills in 1999 than the average 40 year old today. Why? Because when the 60 year old was in his prime years for socializing, the only distraction from loneliness and boredom was TV. The internet was in its infancy, so he had to actually go out and meet people face-to-face to meet his needs (Maslow's love and belonging).

For the purposes of developing social skills, face-to-face is the best way to communicate. Followed by phone. Then lastly textual messages. With technology, the first two happen in real-time. The persons involved in the conversation need to be able to respond immediately. This sharpens the mind like two people doing improv. It sharpens the ability for one to think on their feet. Text messaging or formulating internet posts and emails, allows the person to think and carefully and methodically craft a response. Some people are just "gifted" with written and verbal communication, but for everyone it can be improved with practice. Finally, there is a difference between face-to-face and phone conversation. The former involves facial expressions and body languages.

When someone has locked himself in dark rooms staring at screens most of his adult life, they will be horrible at reading body language and facial expressions. They talk when they should be listening. They joke when they should not. They force a joke, even after it falls flat. When their audience is visibly uncomfortable, they do not recognize it, and stay on the same subject. They are not cognizant of the audience and do not know social cues. Most people will find this type of person incredibly annoying--exception being WGs and / or people that are incentivized by money. I work in a STEM field, so I have met quite a few geeks who do not socialize in the real world. They are ashamed. Nobody wants to admit that they don't really have any friends. Several times it became incredibly awkward because they started fabricating stories about having imaginary friends or a model GF. I just pretended to believe them and quickly changed the subject. Think the scene in 40 year old virgin when Steve Carell's character is obviously lying. https://youtu.be/Vn3IRHhPXMo.

When someone has spent thousands of hours socializing face-to-face, it is quite evident. For instance, their stories are often better, because unlike the socially isolated guy, they actually have people to talk to and listen to them. They practice their stories to different audiences. They read the audience's facial expressions and they can gauge the audience's emotionally response and fine tune and improve their story. The socially isolated storyteller has no idea that his audience has stopped listening and his stories never improve. This is a link to a video of a celebrity telling a story on a talk show: https://youtu.be/U3zCAPf9nVI Notice the facial expressions, hand gestures, the changing tones in his voice for emphasis, pausing for effect, touching and playfully interacting with his audience. And then there is witty banter from the fat bald guy. Skills like this cannot be sharpened by text messaging and internet forums.

This post has gotten long. My social skills (or possibly lack thereof) tell me that most people probably have stopped reading. And I suspect, even before that, many people probably scrolled past as soon as they saw "McAdonis", because they don't want to read my psycho-babble. That's fine. I don't want to be a serial poster, because that would be, well, annoying

[LaBambaBoy]

No clear answer. With 100 E /60 you will do fine just anywhere in Frankfurt. If Sharks worked best for you, then that is where you should start. Should you try out Oase or anywhere else? It's all up to you. It's not clear what you are searching for. If "big" is it, then Oase is the only alternative. If you are looking for something else, then try something else. Take a chance and be adventureous. If an alternative does not work, then go back to Sharks. If nice weather and looking for a garden, then Oase and World are nice alternatives to Sharks. Cease the opportunity. Obviously; Monday and Tuesday will be more quieter than Friday (smaller lineups).

Well, I've done Dietz, had my bargain price AO experience, and all apologies to the daycare, I don't need to do it again.

Mainhatten was fine, but smallish, so no need to do that again.

Sharks is going to get at least one night, if not all 3. But Mon / Tuesday I have all day, so that might be a lot. Plus, in my experience, when you spend consecutive full days at one place, you get both better deals with some of the girls, but also get nagged hard by others. So maybe Monday and Friday for Sharks.

The RLD is a blast, but can be hit or miss, can take a lot of time, is best in the day, and does not have parking. I might take a tour over to the Mainz RLD just for flavor though.

Oase is attractive because it is another big optics-heavy situation like Sharks, which I know I like. Palace is also interesting in a similar vein. Since I have a car, Oase is easy.

Then there are some smaller ones like Finca Erotica, Atlanta, Rom that are interesting because of the value proposition. Do I take a flyer?

So many Ro, so little time.

[Steve 9696]

I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.

I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.

I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.

A few things I know. Munich sucks. Graz sucks. Maxim and Goldentime Vienna are both supposed to be good.

If you MUST do Graz as I did (I mean you can't skip a perfectly good day of fucking just because the venue sucks) then Claudius Caesar will do in a pinch. The bar and rooms are great but the girls tend more towards 4-6 range. See my report in recent pages in the Graz forum. I found a 6. 5 that gave me a great time. So it is possible.

[Mr Ho]

I fully disagree. When I go to a club, even at Globe where some locals say some girls have princess attitude, but I m used to have the prettiest and the superstars and when they know me, they return to me, even when I'm nothing for money in their business. I can claim I had nearly all the beauties I saw in FKK land, but if it was possible, but I couldn't do anything to help her, I would prefer to live only with one angel and become very old with her. She was not my first girlfriend, she had a previous life before we met, she was a mum, when we met she told me: I have something to tell You, I know You will stop with me, but I need to tell you I don't like to have sex from my previous life, and my previous told me the same 7 years ago. Even I already heard this, but after few days we started she really killed me. When I returned home, tears were crying, but she was such a angel, pretty like a angel, when FKK girls see her still on my phone, more than 8 years after the end of the world, they see her beauty. .

Siri, I can become friend with benefit with FKK women, they cut me better service, I go with them when I am in German FKK over the years and as I wrote before when they are gone, some of them are still in my memories because they gave me such a good sexual memories.

However, it is hard for my rational ass to feel or have mindset like you toward women I meet in German FKK simply because it is brothel.

I know some of them are nice hearted and I respect them for their strength to be so nice like them in not so nice situation of their life. But I cannot have more feeling than appreciation and some kind of friendship with benefit with these girls I meet in German FKK because again German FKK is brothel.

Also bottom line is that I only love women for how they look and I want to fuck them, but I cannot love them after youth and beauty is gone like many guys do during marriage. The reason I love mongering so much is because I can have first night of honeymoon sex with many young beautiful girls different ones every year, I love mongering, but not girls in it. I like them though and some of them are still in my memories because they gave me good memories that I can never forget, and oh they still give me boner even though they are gone and I only got their photo to jerk off too now LOL LOL LOL!

[LaBambaBoy]

I hope they are out there mongering and happy somewhere. Place is less without them around.

[Sirioja]

I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.

I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.

I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.

Wellcum close to Italian border is number 1 in Austria now, maybe GT Vienna? After visiting wonderful Vienna.

[Nr 71]

I tried this on the Austria forum, but didn't get any replies. Therefore I try here, hope it is ok.

I am visiting the Graz-area (A) in the start of May. I have visited German FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.

I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.

[Pistons]

Virtue signaling versus knowledge signaling. Both happen so much on the various internet platforms. Which is predominant just depends on the demographic of the platform. There seems to be a lot of virtue signaling on female and liberal dominated sites. Knowledge signaling seems to happen with the more geeky and nerdy groups. Both habits tend to demonstrate lower social value.

Good, lets go back to the monkey stage of no virtues, nor knowledge then. And act only by our instincts. So then we certainly must agree on the things I have claimed before here. And keep down our illusion of cognition helping us forward. I believe the word 'tend', is the key to your post there. The only thing to be derived from it at all. Aside from that, we probably cannot escape our monkey greater family instincts. Just perhaps be able to discuss them.