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[Pistons]

Don't we all just wish we were young again and able to experience everything the world has to offer for the first time? Even what we call love, especially first love manifests so strong within us that just the memory of it makes us pursue reliving it for the rest of our lives. Even when we do get that third or eight crush on somebody, we are able to reimagine how that crush used to feel years after we experienced it. It is not the wind that moves, it is the mind. And we want to hold onto our mind, because it makes us feel happy, and sane.

Defining the term love by how the oxytocin receptors activates, or hormones tampering with our brains, instead of pure love, immediately creates a dehumanized programmable robotic context to it. Because the spiritual human mind is godly, just as Immanuel Kant explains it. But we love this reality we live in. Maybe the reason our lives only span 120 years maximum is that our minds get socially and intellectually so jaded, and our capacity of divergent thinking then reduced. And then in order to fix this, we need to reset, in order to relive everything anew on not just a carnal level, but also on a spiritual one.

We all end up believing what we want to believe. But even that gets boring from time to time. As a media guy, perhaps the most important basic thing we learn is paradigm changes. And an FKK is certainly somewhat of a paradigm change.

[CaneUppHosAss]

Gentlemen and dear Sirs,

I see this endless fascination with getting hitched to the working girls on a long term basis, even in marriage. Perhaps it is just an idle fascination, as an escapist fantasy. I am not saying I'm immune to it or that it is not a good speculative imagery. But not only is it highly impractical, it will quickly run into a wall if it were to ever happen. First, a large number of regular mongers are not the type to settle down with any single girl. I'm not talking about the guy who cheats on his GF or wife occasionally, but the ones who visit WGs on a regular basis and who have no other encumberance in their personal life. These girls are not ideal GF material in any real sense, and the fantasy would quickly sour. Yes, it is natural progression — on your first visit, you fuck a dozen girls, over time you settle on a few regulars that form the core of your fucking gallery, and you begin taking longer and more sessions with your core, refer to them as FKK wives to feel good about yourself, and majority of time is spent on non sexual activity in the room and you wonder "what if", "can I make this work outside the club", "can I extend the 3 hour session to a full day booking, a weekend booking, a quick vacation together, and perhaps something longer". But in the end, reality will bite. The monger is a cheating bastard, pardon my French and the working girl is a fucking working girl. Neither will change their stripe. Relationships and marriages are tough to sustain even when so many things align, but a 20 year Rom prostitute that had been living a tough life her whole life and a roving middle aged monger from overseas is not exactly a match made in heaven.

My feeble two cents. No offense intended to anyone here.

[Bfsie]

I used to live in Amsterdam for many years. Vast majority of the WGs in the RLD at the time got their steady boyfriends in their first year or so and some of them got married and left the industry eventually, so obviously there were plenty of WG's takers out there. But it is not good idea for fly-in mongers to do that and it doesn't work anyway.

[Mr Ho]

Mr McAdonis,

OK, one of my more serious post and not one of my mostly usual messing around post.

Yes, I think it is each their own and brothel has many different use for all different kind of mongers. Having said that, I still do think, for sake of healthy relation for both parties, some distance should be kept between client and prostitutes, there are some horrific cases that took place in FKK industry alone due to misunderstood clients going totally off track.

I understand about what you mean about when I am ten years more older, I will understand need of communication or relation of some kind with girls in FKK who are prostitutes. This is why I make sure I have friends in private life that I have known for years since I was kids or teen, I treasure those relationship, in many cases, I cannot discuss even with them about what I do in area of mongering, so for that, I made some friends online who I interact more seriously like this at inbox private messages of this forum. And of course I got the pound and pound non serious posts that I mess around with some odd individuals LOL!

I think as human, it is important to have people who one can talk to, I just think that person do not need to be prostitutes for sake and mental health of both parties. Prostitutes sell sex and illusions to some extent, but there should be a clear line in between is what I am saying. This is not to insult prostitutes or saying they are not capable of communicating, I actually met many girls in FKK who I thought, wow she remain still smart and good hearted in such rough situation in their life. All I am saying here is that there is right place and occasion and brothel should not be the place where one seek for sexual desire with clear line in between how far the relationship goes with prostitutes for the sake of both parties.

There are some happy ending in such relation in brothel for sure, but it mostly end badly. Maybe such parties could have been soulmates if they met in different place, different life or in different circumstances, but reality is brutal sometimes and life sometimes has sick sense of humor, so I just think that monger should make best out of such situation in most positive way within brothel with some respective line. My motto is what happens in FKK, stay in FKK, isn't it about right mindset?

OK now LOL! Let go back to more messing around posts, it is pound for pound sex forum LOL!

[Mr Ho]

If beings, especially human beings, become like machines, maybe this is why death is such an important tool of evolution?

I think broadening horizon is the important essence of evolution and yes death can be part of many tool, but thanks to some sector of humanity that prostitution got to the level where it is today. How wonderful it is to have such easy and reasonable access to many different young beautiful women to our liking, if we dig little bit where to go in this world and in my case the city I live in also. Best of both world.

[Steve 9696]

I know some of you travel for work, so even though this is German FKK lounge wanted to let you know I dropped a post in Graz and two in Linz forums. Also if you like experiential posts like mine tend to be you may find them entertaining. Happy reading!

[Sirioja]

It is funny how I also lose the excitement as I repeat girls, sometimes, it is not that she gained weight or became ugly with surgeries, but I lose excitements no matter how pretty she is, it only good for first one year or two for me.

Though it does happen sometimes that I first meet girls who is so beautiful, then she enhance her tits like after few years in business, then it is done well, but for me this also can be turn off. I guess I tend to like natural beauty than artificial ones which tend to be the most case in FKK lately, made in laboratories.

First is tattoo, tits, lip, nose and more of those three as girls stay in FKK industry. I try to avoid those in most cases and aim for more natural beauties that are rare in FKK, but we still find with bit of digging.

She lost her charm for me because of her new behavior ready for anything for money, when she claimed to be selective when we started. Even she lost freshness for face and gained weight on ass, but after about 70/80 hours in room for 6 months she worked, I would have kept on going with her and maybe only her if she stayed like when she started. When you go very often with a girl, become kind of sex friends, even paying, I enjoy complicity, knowing what each one like, more real for me than one shot fucking a piece of meat. In real life, had burning passion for 7 years with a so sensual girlfriend, she was exhausting, not only about sex, a tornado for all parts of life, I tried to manage the burning tornado as long I could but she exhausted my brain but I tried to build with her as much I could. 1 year later after I gave up even I loved her so much, I found a sweet angel, I really thought it would be for whole life, despite so crual, how painful life can be, we had honeymoon for 5 years, each second with her was delightful, even when she was really in bad health, but always smiling, always elegant, always giving me love. From my so elegant and generous for love mother to my exceptionnal girlfriends for more than 20 years, I can only love women, WGs feel this very fast with me, they feel I give them value, my favorites never try to fuck me, they prefer to keep my weekly business, but some are really angry when I stop. As I say: in brothels, I only married only for the best.

[Optimist]

Sapiens. Book has a great start, but has little to say on humankind in the last couple of thousand years (its argument being that the creation of belief systems are necessary for humans to live in society). FKK, as Polyamorist says, offers a wealth of information for anthropologists with its semi-enclosed environment and the interplay of illusion and reality. Shame that society's current belief systems exclude the possibility of FKK as a positive thing and cannot discuss it. I guess that is why this Thread is so active, being the only place for discussion.

By the way, can I make it clear that I was not in my recent post suggesting that we are likely to get a meaningful life relationship with a working girl. Pistons is dead right. If we are regulars in clubs we might get a special girl, temporary friendship, and bonuses, but it is not likely to be a life relationship (although it does happen in some cases). Bfsie was very kind to say that I was most qualified to talk on this: he gives me far too much credit. In 16 years in FKK I have only had two real friendships with working girls for more than a year after they stopped working ( of course, being married and older reduced my odds). And I have only come across maybe 10 cases of guys successfully (for a time at least) having a real life relationship. Of course, the vast majority of customers and girls know such things are probably doomed to failure so steer well clear, and go for the money (girls) or sex(men)

[Takedown]

LOL! In todays world and society, clearly the pair bond option is the best solution. I don't think I've claimed otherwise. But merely pointed at its drawbacks and problems. As it isn't perfect. Like the book Utopia.

Whether you fly in or out are stick around, the question remains: will you immigrate, buy a house and commit to being around for a girl (or at least have that as a serious possibility).

As Pistons points out, oxytocin kicks in and before you know it you make a hazy judgment "what if. I could have this eye candy more permanently" confusing short term attraction and pleasure and hoping it will repeat ad infinitum. We want to believe it and our cognitive bias will weave a story that fools us. My advice is to accept our biological pre-determined urges, enjoy the high, but also realise that like a restaurant, you may not want to eat out every night let alone the same restaurant and even less the same dish.

Best post in the thread so far in 2019 goes to Phallus Maximus. You coined it 100%. A lifepartner should be a good friend. 'Love' is a chemical illusion somewhere between brain hormones / chemicals and commitment. But a friend can be a psychologist. In many ways, some working girls can be great listeners and work as quasi psychologists. An educated psychologist girlfriend (believe it or not, I have had 2, and seem to be attracted by them) may be tge best thing. But she can also be too smart. And over analyse everything. LOL.

1. It's not all about 1's and 0's where it's a zero sum game. People are saying that it is easier to be a local and develop true relationships. This includes friendships. Jumping to the conclusion of immigrating for long term relationships and marriage seems to be a fallacy taken by a couple of the posters. Talking, dancing, sightseeing, etc all without payment, those are very real normal peole things. Mongers and hobbyists might want to keep those real life things in mind when speaking about how WGs are just hookers. They might actually be more normal than you are.

2. To hold importance to the molecular basis of pair bonding, you must either be jaded to the point of being a broken man or never have known the experience of pair bonding.

In the movie Good Will Hunting, Robin Williams calls out Will for having read about all of the sights of far away lands and may have even memorized them. But he calls out the fact that he does not know the smell and warmth of these far away places, only experienced through the words from other men.

[Polyamorist]

A great book I am reading is Sapiens by Yuval Harari.

Yeah he has some good books. I bet he doesn't mention FKK's though. If he did, the feminist establishment would never allow the book to be published. And so it is with any author. We live in such a filtered culture, a culture sucked dry by censorship and self-censorship.

Similarly if any academic mentioned an FKK in a paper, they would be expelled from their university. It's a pity because an FKK is such an amazing Microcosm available to anthropologists and economists. Here you have society compressed to its essentials: sex and money.

By the way Phallus, clear your Inbox of some messages. There must be some fault with the forum software, that it is not telling members when they have hit their quota. And what is the quota anyway?

[Nick The G]

It is never ending hobby, it is like that pringle ad, once you tute, you cannot stop LOL!

If beings, especially human beings, become like machines, maybe this is why death is such an important tool of evolution?

[Nick The G]

Jealousy in FKKs is like Pepe the Frog. It's what we want it to be. It is frustration, envy, anger, fomo. When I first visited, I was jealous of the dudes who sat with multiple chicks and yapping away as if they were long lost lovers. When I didn't have much money in my pocket, I was jealous of the dudes who were able to spend like there was no tomorrow. When I am not mongering and at home, I am jealous of the supermongers who always seem to be banging chicks in one or another place around the globe. As I am getting older, I am jealous of dudes who can bang a dozen putas night after night. I am jealous of dudes who can get anal from girls that would not give it to me, I am jealous of chicks that I imagine are kissing other guys with more passion, I am jealous of guys who seem to get AO sex with chicks that will only provide CBJ to me, I am jealous of, I am jealous of, I am jealous of.

Perhaps jealousy is a prerequisite to be a perennial monger. We strive to have more and more, and have an insatiable appetite for more pussy and ass than a man is fairly entitled in a hundred lives. Jealousy is an ugly word only if you think it is. But it is the primal emotion that drives us to live a life of unbridled pleasure.

Maybe you get some insight on other approaches when you listen to this man and his words.

How to Deal with Relationships? - Sadhguru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl8MUnLfEsk

How Do You Stop the Mind's Chatter? - Sadhguru. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNyJgNjCDuU

[Bfsie]

Mr Ho,

For the record, I don't go out on date with any WG no matter how beautiful she is as I already mentioned in some of my previous posts and I only have been having sex dates (without going-out) with only 18-year-old WGs (my fetish) as their loverboy. But I can completely understand why some mongers want to have normal relationship with WGs. It is complicated and I am too lazy to explain it and answer your question now. But I promise you this: five to ten years from now, you will know the answer of your question by yourself and find it out from your own experience and maturation.

McAdonis,

Have you tried www.mysugardaddy.eu? Any luck if you did?

[Pistons]

Best post in the thread so far in 2019 goes to Phallus Maximus. You coined it 100%. A lifepartner should be a good friend. 'Love' is a chemical illusion somewhere between brain hormones / chemicals and commitment. But a friend can be a psychologist. In many ways, some working girls can be great listeners and work as quasi psychologists. An educated psychologist girlfriend (believe it or not, I have had 2, and seem to be attracted by them) may be tge best thing. But she can also be too smart. And over analyse everything. LOL.

Either way, who came up with the idea that fly in relationships could ever work? Lets get real here. That is where I draw a line as it is obviously not a possibility. The only ones who make that work are men who sends the wives half way across the world all their monthly salary to live off. Unless you want to do that, forget it.

[Pistons]

Perhaps technology gets there and you can articficially create happiness and mimick the feeling people have with a real, authentic relationship. But perhaps you risk never getting this theoretical advancement and die alone without ever knowing what it's like to be in a pair-bond. I suggest to anyone who has never been in a pair bond to attain experience on the subject matter before determining if it is important enough for one to risk it.

LOL! In todays world and society, clearly the pair bond option is the best solution. I don't think I've claimed otherwise. But merely pointed at its drawbacks and problems. As it isn't perfect. Like the book Utopia.