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[Pistons]

Yes, there now is a psychological personality test regarding conspiracy theorists. And meanwhile the PR companies are laughing their assess of due to us mere mortal normal influenced people making up all types of excuses just to advocate against the conspiracy theories so that the world can see that we are not falling into this new stigmatized group of lonely conspiring men. Haha.

What a complete brainfuck it really is. Because this is exactly how it is, and I know some high ups in some big pr companies. LOL.

[Pistons]

For a hypothetical and simplified example, in real life I can only get the girls with optics of 6 or below for real romantic relationship, but having relationship with any girl with optics of 6 or below makes the quality of my life worse because I don't like her. In order to make the quality of my life better, I need the girl with optics of at least 9. So I will rather not have any relationship in real life and have to devote my entire time for mongering and doing WGs only.

This is quite an interesting point one can derive from many posts in here even if my experience tells me that I see people at FKK's going with girls I personally would deem less pretty. (But they might consider them hotter). And it is a result of the internet age where we suddenly compare our looks to the looks of everyone else in the entire world, while in the past it was only important to be the prettiest in your own class at school. This insane competition for both sexes has probably caused a lot of friction in relationships, and it probably hurts the chances of a person in between monogamy and polygamy to stay faithful further than in the past. Internet porn was one thing. Instagram influencers taking this further to a completely new level etc. And it helps the make up industry make billions of dollars, and people running to the gym to spend 10 hours a week working out while in the past 3 hours was enough. Some mongers thinking: heck, I'll just save those 10 hours a week, and earn more money to pay for sex instead. Plus my age is now too old for me to build an impressive body now.

I don't see an ending for this. I rather see a future where gene editing and biological healing. Maybe even eternal life is the key. Or body swapping. And this global competition will force it through. I think its a good ending. But until then, the hordes of singles will just grow. Not withstanding the imbalanced sex ratio in many countries and women seeking careers in the west just to find out there is a lack of career men suitable for their own social class around, because women have better grades at school and can start their careers 5 years before the man. And no women want an old guy as partner any longer because of me too. LOL.

This is global high level of social engineering. It is ingenious in order to reduce the world population and save the planet. A conspiracy theory by a single guy yes. But think about, and it makes sense. How far do you believe in random occurrences?

[Member #4585]

For a hypothetical and simplified example, in real life I can only get the girls with optics of 6 or below for real romantic relationship, but having relationship with any girl with optics of 6 or below makes the quality of my life worse because I don't like her. In order to make the quality of my life better, I need the girl with optics of at least 9. So I will rather not have any relationship in real life and have to devote my entire time for mongering and doing WGs only.

But I shouldn't make any general statement on a forum saying that any relationship is not good, based on my personal relationship situation and my INABILITY to use my relationship to better my life, because other people may or will have different experiences with relationship. That is what I meant.

I agree.

I know a lot of geezers who forfeit a life with a regular dame since they will nowt be happy with a 3 or 4 level beauty since that is all they will get being old, fat and poor. They rather save their pennies down at the Aldi or Lidl to spend 10 bucks on a coke head down at The Lane for a quickie and be done with it. Them geezers cannot settle for someone that they will loathe as they do not fancy jumping their bag of bones for a bit of slap and tickle. Commonsense.

If they hit the jackpot on the bookies then they will be in fancy city looking up some Romanian coke head for 60 bucks for one hour service.

There are geezers that save for months and months to go on a FKK trip to fuck the beauties that they cannot get in real life.

Let the geezers have their fantasy.

[Pistons]

I'm not asserting anything about my background.

Assertions otherwise were not made by looking at science in a vacuum, but the entire picture including the individual. Content of previous writings showing what appears to be adolescent thought processes in combination with high engagement on the message boards with lack of actual engagement in the FKK scene itself are enough to reach a reasonable conclusion regarding the individual. And since you recognized that the individual is not likely to exist outside of the bell curve, then your post only serves the function of being argumentative.

Maybe. Maybe Mr. Ho is a fictional writer posing as this imaginary impersonification: Mr. Ho who writes a lot than he partakes sometimes to stir up the forum to create more activity. In order for him to get more info to write about. It could be a book about you and me and members on an online escort forum. Haha.

Anyway, there is also this boobs for bullets campaign I read about by Nutaku. A for adult computer games. They want to help decrease the mass shootings in american schools. And in order to do that increase games about boobs, and decrease games about guns and bullets. So consider ISG a game of boobs and compare it to how massive games on bullets are these days. In that sense Mr. Ho is just a bit ahead of time. And he could be helping to avoid a future mass shooting in an american high school in 2030 by contributing to the rise of the boobs market so that it may grow above the bullets market online. LOL.

[Takedown]

It seems likely that, "In my ability" means a lot more than money. If I wanted to pull a blue blood girl from the Hamptons, I doubt that is in my ability. Lack of stupid wealth aside, I don't have the social pedigree to roll in that circle. Perfect southern hotties who dig guys with giant trucks, also probably not within my ability due to cultural differences. Girls who want a 6'2" guy with 8% body fat? Also not within my ability due to physics and genetics. Maybe some guys are just awkward and are unable to recognize that fact so they are unable to keep a woman's interest; then perhaps dating in general is not in his ability so he accepts mongering as his only option.

I guess it's obvious and goes without saying, but the factors are many when speaking about being "in my ability. "

I am not entirely sure, what you mean by "IN MY ABILITY", but I think we are drawing the same conclusion.

Anytime I hear the sentiment, "dating / relationships with civilian girls" are expensive, I question this. There are exceptions, but this should not be the case in every relationship. Not if both the male and female are from western countries anyway. If this is the case every time, it suggests to me that the male wooed the girl using primarily his money, and really it was a sugar daddy-sugar baby relationship from the start, which I will absolutely agree are expensive. In other words, he didn't want to settle for a girl within his ability, he wanted the hottest girl he could possibly get, even if all the warning signs of her being a gold-digger were present.

After entering relationship, many couples take turns paying, share expenses or at least contribute proportionately to what they earn. Should not be one-sided as far as who pays for living expenses and dates. Millennial women in particular should be more open-minded about paying for things:https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-couples-cash

[Bfsie]

I am not entirely sure, what you mean by "IN MY ABILITY", but I think we are drawing the same conclusion.

For a hypothetical and simplified example, in real life I can only get the girls with optics of 6 or below for real romantic relationship, but having relationship with any girl with optics of 6 or below makes the quality of my life worse because I don't like her. In order to make the quality of my life better, I need the girl with optics of at least 9. So I will rather not have any relationship in real life and have to devote my entire time for mongering and doing WGs only.

But I shouldn't make any general statement on a forum saying that any relationship is not good, based on my personal relationship situation and my INABILITY to use my relationship to better my life, because other people may or will have different experiences with relationship. That is what I meant.

[Mr Ho]

I am not entirely sure, what you mean by "IN MY ABILITY", but I think we are drawing the same conclusion.

Anytime I hear the sentiment, "dating / relationships with civilian girls" are expensive, I question this. There are exceptions, but this should not be the case in every relationship. Not if both the male and female are from western countries anyway. If this is the case every time, it suggests to me that the male wooed the girl using primarily his money, and really it was a sugar daddy-sugar baby relationship from the start, which I will absolutely agree are expensive. In other words, he didn't want to settle for a girl within his ability, he wanted the hottest girl he could possibly get, even if all the warning signs of her being a gold-digger were present.

After entering relationship, many couples take turns paying, share expenses or at least contribute proportionately to what they earn. Should not be one-sided as far as who pays for living expenses and dates. Millennial women in particular should be more open-minded about paying for things:https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-couples-cash

So I am the case study now? LOL! It is interesting topic that has never ending conclusion for most, but for me I thought about it and has conclusion quite many years ago even though I am age 38. My conclusion is very different to so called society norms or true joy of happiness definition of Takedow etc whom think their definition is set definition of true joy of happiness is for all and if not agreed you are lying to yourself, which is very enforcing as society norms actually, but my conclusion is different, so it can be easily attacked because society do not like someone who has different opinion especially if that person is enjoying it, I guess they see it as easy target of guy who is cheating easy way out of life etc.

Well, I agree with the fact that there are girls who does not cost much and support you during career by not breaking your ball and also not over spending money, this I agree.

But, I do not hang around or raised in such crowd. I may from societal point of view is in right crowd as in career, education etc, but I do admit that it is not so healthy crowd as well in few specific ways, one of that is extreme greed for materialism, good life and good thing etc, so even though I never had girl who ask me for money or things regularly like a gold digger, but I do have events like valentines day, Christmas, few times per year get away holidays, dinners, birthday celebration, anniversary celebration etc. That require me to do high standard things or gifts and with type of girls I dated these things cost me so much money and even though I can afford it, I did not see rationality in it. They do not ask for money or things regularly, but these events and dinners etc add up, it is not so much about affording it, but I am rational person and this is where mongering kicks in.

Why? OK, so why mongering comes in is that, I began mongering at age 17 or 18, so I knew what it was like and I got better at it, then I also had girlfriend most of teen life and I even lived with few of them, which was fun especially in university days, but I began doing rational math between mongering and normal girlfriend and I decided when I was about later 20's that normal girl is breaking my balls, sucking cash that I can spend on mongering and I realized that getting married etc is not my definition of happiness because I thought about it, I liked all my girlfriends for their beautiful appearance, and I never cared too much for emotional connection with them, it was good time I had with them, but what I remember the most is insane sex that I loved, and I was doing that with prostitutes on the side when I had chance, but there were many times I had to cancel escort or going to brothel etc because girlfriend was around etc. , And more importantly, prostitute industry really began giving more easy access to model type top stunner girls if I sought for it and those are the type and direction of girls I was dating anyways and since it is purely for sex if I thought deeply about it, then relationship or emotional connection who I have sex with lost all its meaning for me considering its cost, hassle in all areas whether it is time or money etc. Mongering for me is much more fun and make me happy and fulfilled.

This is easiest way to explain briefly my stance when it comes to sex or relationship with women I have sex with. I have female friends from boarding school etc, these relation I still have, but hey I cannot talk about my secret mongering life, this I cannot, some may understand it, but there are certain thing we take to grave is for me mongering life is kept secret except very few friends knows about it and these guys are not really a monger. But this is why we are here in forum no? I admit that forum is nice place for monger to chat about mongering and related topic, but clearly some guys do not admit that, plus they talk about frequency of being in mongering forum, addiction to prostitution etc even though they are monger themselves and on forum LOL, I mean how hypocrite is that?

[McAdonis]

For example, Mr. Ho is strongly against any relationship, I think he misunderstands himself. Instead of trashing any relationship, he should say that IN MY ABILITY any relationship makes my quality of life worse, so I would rather not have any relationship. Imagine if in his ability he could have a supermodel girlfriend with no stress and no strings attached, would he still trash any relationship?

I am not entirely sure, what you mean by "IN MY ABILITY", but I think we are drawing the same conclusion.

Anytime I hear the sentiment, "dating / relationships with civilian girls" are expensive, I question this. There are exceptions, but this should not be the case in every relationship. Not if both the male and female are from western countries anyway. If this is the case every time, it suggests to me that the male wooed the girl using primarily his money, and really it was a sugar daddy-sugar baby relationship from the start, which I will absolutely agree are expensive. In other words, he didn't want to settle for a girl within his ability, he wanted the hottest girl he could possibly get, even if all the warning signs of her being a gold-digger were present.

After entering relationship, many couples take turns paying, share expenses or at least contribute proportionately to what they earn. Should not be one-sided as far as who pays for living expenses and dates. Millennial women in particular should be more open-minded about paying for things:https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-couples-cash

[Polyamorist]

Salaam zusammen, I don't like this ganging up on Mr Ho, pseudo-science notwithstanding. It takes all sorts, and there are few among us who epitomize so well the motto of the forum, "Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac". I think there are too many guys stuck in Sex Prison USA who are seething and wish they had the benjamins to live the carefree life of a Crazy Rich Asian.

[McAdonis]

It seems like you have hit a chord as people have felt the need to defend their post frequency.

Post frequency. Well I think we all want attention. We want to be somebody. Online forums are just an alternate avenue for that.

Excessive post counts is different. Maybe this points to something darker like loneliness. Take for instance, old, lonely people in the real, offline world, who can be extremely talkative. They are excited to find someone that will listen to them, which is a rare occurrence for them. They might jump from topic to topic during their monologue. Or they might hear a random word in your response and spin off into an unrelated topic. Clearly, there are equivalents in online forums, manifesting instead as excessive post counts and incoherence. This excessive talking sometimes can also be due to lack of social skills. They don't notice social cues. They don't see signals that the other person is bored and no longer listening to them.

Some degree of loneliness should be common in all unmarried men above a certain age. I think it is important that we recognize that vulnerability. Before a WG does, and exploits that vulnerability. Does that WG deserve all that money you are giving her, or are you just using that WG as a drug to numb your loneliness? Are you just paying for long rooms because you want someone to listen to you?

[McAdonis]

Mr. Ho, take this as constructive criticism, but it appears to me that you lack some social fluency. This sometimes happens with pretty girls who never develop a "personality". They had it easy; they were just well-liked because of their beauty. This sometimes happens with people who grew up in small villages. They also had it easy; there were only a few kids of the same age, so they were all friends by default. But it also happens with kids that are rejected by their peers. Bullied kids sometimes as a defense mechanism, choose to isolate themselves for fear of rejection, and as a result, never to learn to socialize. They never learn the skills that will make them well-liked and accepted by their peers. As a Japanese, moving to Europe at age 12, fitting in was probably not easy.

[Chongmal]

Well concerning food in FKk

It's clear that my definition of gourmet is far from yours. We are individuals with different experiences that bring us to this point in life. Each has their own unique perspective.

I think it is not fair to say children who spent his years in boarding schools

I did note say or state anything about children who spent their time in boarding schools. I stated that I had a question and I stated you have a unique perspective possibly due to cultural and environmental influences. I still have the question and you yourself have stated several times how unique your perspective is and I never judged you so no need to be defensive. I did, however, write a thesis about children who are raised in orphanages who fail to develop a parental bond within the first six months of life and how this can develop into a dis associative behavior. In my thesis, the scope included two known cases of feral human children and the failure for top doctors, psychiatrists and church officials to "reform" them. The research included documented cases or children adopted by families at ages from six months up that never developed a family bond with their adopted parents but instead developed a higher level of self reliance and self gratification.

The scope of the thesis was based on development of bonds within the first 6 months of life, therefore excluding children in boarding schools. This exclusion leaves a void in the research I conducted, but I can form some slightly educated thoughts on this. My thoughts are that children who attend boarding school adapt to the hierarchical structure developed within the student ranks. This structure helps develop strong bonds between students but also include punishments issued by the students at the top of the hierarchy. The punishments may be physical or mental. This is a sub-level hierarchy within the larger confines of the boarding school process. My question was and still remains, if there is an impact to the family units of children educated in boarding schools. I did not venture a guess if it's positive or negative, within or outside "societal norms", etc. My viewpoint is that what is normal for one person can fall well outside what is normal for others. If I had to commit to a single for for my political, religious, racial, etc. Viewpoint, I choose tolerance.

[The Cane]

If you actually have the background you seem to be asserting, you should know better. It's fine to talk about tendencies in a population. But as to Mr Ho, it's not likely, but he may well be in the thin tail of the bell curve. And you have no way to know he isn't.

No, Takedown knows all there is to know about these things, and he's intent on proving it too! I don't think anybody here really cares too much in the end about his assessment of Mr. Ho's "social deficiencies". That's not what we're here to talk about. We're here to talk about mongering. Paid sex with women! If Takedown wants to expound further, please spare the rest of us by doing a "Takedown" from the main board and going private, so the rest of us can get back to the core of why we are here. For the love of God please! As we say in Latin America. Ya!

[Pistons]

The only thing I believe has drawn most people in here to an escort forum is also the natural needs of humans to be polygamous. Which is contrary to the forced monogamous society we are being put into in a rather fascist way. And our polygamous nature in turn is based on the Oxycontin receptors. But has any environmental toxin, such as maybe flour or something in our foods, influenced the effectiveness of these receptors in our brains? No matter what, then even people in a loving family relation with a good wife he shares bed with every day, may be drawn in here to our forum simply because his brain is not fed with enough stimulus from his own social activity.

[Takedown]

If you actually have the background you seem to be asserting, you should know better.

It's fine to talk about tendencies in a population. But as to Mr Ho, it's not likely, but he may well be in the thin tail of the bell curve. And you have no way to know he isn't.

I'm not asserting anything about my background.

Assertions otherwise were not made by looking at science in a vacuum, but the entire picture including the individual. Content of previous writings showing what appears to be adolescent thought processes in combination with high engagement on the message boards with lack of actual engagement in the FKK scene itself are enough to reach a reasonable conclusion regarding the individual. And since you recognized that the individual is not likely to exist outside of the bell curve, then your post only serves the function of being argumentative.