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[Kuni042]

Thanks for the info. I meant SB as Sugar Babes. I had a typo.

What is a SG?

I think you mean SpermaGames. They are a lot of fun. Every hole is a goal.

Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.

[Polyamorist]

Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.

Salaam Habibi Bitumen!

I've bumped into several refugees from Sharks recently in Switzerland. Curiously enough, these girls all used the same word to describe Sharks: "shit". According to them the Turks behave like "animals" -- their word not mine -- and customers in general demand "everything" for just 50 euros. The club is packed with so many girls and so few customers it is impossible to find business any more.

Guys on here clearly have a different perspective. According to guys, the girls are acting like Precious Princesses -- not what you would expect them to do if they were truly hard up and the club were 80% girls and 20% guys as they like to claim. If the girls won't session with the civilized guys, then maybe it is understandable that all they are left with is "animals".

The one thing both sides agree on is that Sharks has gone downhill.

By the way Sayyid Bitumen, about the article you are referencing, sorry, but I can't understand why guys on a forum like this would take it seriously. When so much in it is so obviously false (like the price of sex in Europe going down in the past few years for instance), why quote its statistics as if they were gospel?

[Neurosynth]

In this article it says: It is estimated that 1..2 million men in Germany buy sex every day.

Presumably the intended meaning is

"Everyday 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex."

[McAdonis]

I agree with much of what you say here and this post ties in to frequency (see Gypsy thread) , I think you can add some great insight ' to my problem'; but a good one to have.

I just skimmed briefly, but it seems your question is about how frequently you might attend sex clubs, if you were to move to Germany. It sounds like if you moved, it would be after you were retired. My guess is you would attend at least three times a week, but since you are not a tourist operating under time constraints, you would probably session much less per visit. Tourists will go to the room even if they are not that "horny". They will force themselves to session even if there is not a strong desire because (1) fear of missed opportunities, and (2) amortize those overhead costs (time and money).

I have seen the one million sex customers per day figure quoted by Bitumen. If this figure is indeed true, we can extrapolate, that the majority of those mongers are using non-FKK venues. For someone with a job and or family, they are most likely looking for a quickie on a weekday. It does not make financial sense to pay 65 EUR entry upfront if you only have time for a quickie. If one has an entire day off, you can use the wellness, eat, fuck a WG, rest and recuperate, and fuck another WG six hours later. That's when the 65 EUR entry makes more financial sense.

You can purchase property in some EU countries and get permanent residency. Just Google "golden visa".

In this article it says: It is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. These statistics far out weigh the statistics for other countries where the article says: The numbers all over the world prove it: "In England, you have 7% of the men who are sex buyers, in Spain 39%, 37% in Japan, 73% in Thailand." The comparison is that Germans are having way too much fun with their paid sex scene. It is very popular and mainstream like in Thailand at 73%.

I don't think the statistics prove that Germans are more addicted to sex, it simply proves that Germans may be more open-minded to the idea of paid sex and slightly less judgmental towards the act. But I would say that the average German man does not tell his boss, wife, or mother that he is going to see a WG. Does the article define the define "regular consumer"? That might mean once a month. Also, I could be drinking with friends, and want to sober up before I drive home. I decide to walk thru the RLD and take in the sights, but would I be considered a consumer, even if I did not purchase sex that particular day? The figure of 80 percent is indeed high, but like drugs, some people only have the need to partake once. And then they never try it again. I am not saying your assertion is incorrect, I would just like more context. Part of it could be the current laws and ease of access. In Germany, paid sex is available almost everywhere, so it is harder to resist temptation. If Germans actually had to travel and make plans, I would imagine those numbers would be much lower than 18 percent and 80 percent.

[Member #4585]

Hardcore mongers is a bit hard to define, but my definition is simply someone that earmarks a significant amount time and / or money to mongering. This includes traveling, following forums, and visiting brothels. It is hard to put an exact number on this such as days / hours / EUR spent at the club. It depends on the individual and their circumstances.

This article suggests a number for German regular visitors. I have already linked it in the Dietzenback thread but repeated here for ease of search and availability since fewer read that thread due to Dietzenbach club's specialist AO offering.

In this article it says: It is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. These statistics far out weigh the statistics for other countries where the article says: The numbers all over the world prove it: "In England, you have 7% of the men who are sex buyers, in Spain 39%, 37% in Japan, 73% in Thailand." The comparison is that Germans are having way too much fun with their paid sex scene. It is very popular and mainstream like in Thailand at 73%.

Link:

https://www.trauma-and-prostitution....hell-on-earth/

Then the making it a job in Germany comes out in the stories you hear from the girls when they are with a client. The article gives this familiar discussion as an example, but I have heard it before too directly:

The testimony says:

"the buyers of sex have become more brutal. That's from one day to the next. Nowadays, if you say, "No, I don't do that," You often get the response, "Come on; don't be so difficult, it's your job". Before it was forbidden to demand unprotected sex. Today, buyers ask on the telephone if they can [CodeWord140] on your face, wanting to do it without protection, wanting to do it anally or orally. These days, it's an everyday occurrence. Before, buyers still had a guilty conscience. That doesn't exist anymore today, they want more and more. ".

[Member #4585]

What "precious princess" are you referring to? You mean SGs are on the rise? I am having high doubts here.

What is a SG?

I think you mean SpermaGames. They are a lot of fun. Every hole is a goal.

Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.

[Member #4585]

I doubt that a bit. This absolutely was true last year, before the new law came. But now you only get this in YY, Sixsense and other non-german clubs.

Correct.

The sugar babe girls have to pay a hefty registration fee which is per state allows then a licence to work in that state or a number of other named states, the identification includes their photo. There are two cards that they may have, one with a working name and another with their real name. Some girls opt only for one card as it s a cheaper fee and that card is the one with their working name only.

[Kuni042]

What "precious princess" are you referring to? You mean SGs are on the rise? I am having high doubts here.

... but as McAdonis and Kosher Cowboy says with the rise of the Precious Princess that the allure of the mega FKK clubs is dwindling.

[Kuni042]

I doubt that a bit. This absolutely was true last year, before the new law came. But now you only get this in YY, Sixsense and other non-german clubs.

You get sugar babies at German FKK especially during summer, you get walk in girls doing FKK job part time for summer, this is rare, but you still get this.

[Member #4585]

Best of luck. Reports and getting other perspectives will go a long way for obtaining a fuller picture. For me I tend to be lazy, so there is inertia. Based only on Jnpr's account and a few others, the economics and time investment required for SBs don't seem that bad relative to FKK. Sugar Babes seems like a better option for value. That assumes, of course, you are smart enough to avoid a gold digger who wants to long-con you for half your net worth. For those mongers who need variety, I could see SBs as not being a substitute for FKK. Personally, if I could only mine 20 sugar babes per year, I would be fine. Even in the FKKs, 80 percent of my sessions are with the same 20 or so WGs.

Thank you McAdonis for the well wishes.

I am just getting myself back into the saddle on this. There is some serious poon in the locales and there does seem to be intense mining and caving needed to explore the pussy out there.

You may even build up some self esteem when you realize these "civilan" girls are willing to date you and maybe open play is possible instead of pay for play.

Failing all that there is an active escort and massage parlor scene to fall back on. Also the private parties and gang bang events. This scene is dominated by Brazilians and Latinas and natives as well.

[Kosher Kowboy]

A local monger who lives 20 km can easily spend 30 days in the FKK without much effort. They might just have nothing else better to do on their weekend. For someone who lives so close, I would say 60-150 days might be the threshold to be considered hardcore. If such mongers lived "5000 miles away" as some other poster recently mentioned, my bet is a lot of these men would never make the effort to fly out to FKK land, unless they had some other reason, like visiting family or a business trip. These mongers probably would not read ISG.

Contrast that to a fly-in sex tourist from the USA or Asia. To attend 30 days, they basically have to sacrifice most if not all of their paid vacation and public holidays. Many that I have talked to have zero interest in Germany except for the FKKs. If these men are in Germany for seven days, they will maybe take at most one day off. A I am not saying locals don't want these things, but percentage-wise more of the fly-in tourists want this. I am generalizing, of course. I consider you a hardcore fly-in sex tourist, and you seem to just want sex. DFK, intimacy, youth, exceptional beauty and whiteness don't really seem that important to you.

Manhattan has a lot of tourists that fly-in, but they seem to be the type that do a day or two of mongering on the back-end of a business trip. Or they have a 24 hour layover in Frankfurt. These men are neither sex tourists or hardcore mongers. But I would say 90 percent of fly-in sex tourists are hardcore mongers. With locals, even the ones spending 30-60 days, that percentage might only be 10 percent.

I agree with much of what you say here and this post ties in to frequency (see Gypsy thread) , I think you can add some great insight ' to my problem'; but a good one to have. I in a way am the opposite of some fly in tourist you mention but we come in all shapes and sizes with different desires. Your generalization is probably correct for the masses, I find myself an exception to the rule.

Your assessment of Mainhatten is also correct with a few exceptions, as I see four regular guys and at least 2-3 of them are always there but that is a TINY amount compared to other places, so I say you hit the nail on the head for that club. For that club even less very few guys research!

Yeah it is all hardcore in some way shape or form for most of us, guess it is hard to really define it. I discussed this with my shrink of ten years the other day (the previous one fired me), American culture tells me I am a scumbag yet European culture much more ' normal'; so I wish to be there not here. : the.

Great combo of insights, opinions and facts as always, thanks.

[McAdonis]

I deleted my sugar daddy profile recently since I was getting not much use from it as I was not using it in the right way, but you have inspired me to may be rebuild again in this Fall period before the Winter offensive begins.

Best of luck. Reports and getting other perspectives will go a long way for obtaining a fuller picture. For me I tend to be lazy, so there is inertia. Based only on Jnpr's account and a few others, the economics and time investment required for SBs don't seem that bad relative to FKK. Sugar Babes seems like a better option for value. That assumes, of course, you are smart enough to avoid a gold digger who wants to long-con you for half your net worth. For those mongers who need variety, I could see SBs as not being a substitute for FKK. Personally, if I could only mine 20 sugar babes per year, I would be fine. Even in the FKKs, 80 percent of my sessions are with the same 20 or so WGs.

[McAdonis]

Hardcore mongers is a bit hard to define, but my definition is simply someone that earmarks a significant amount time and / or money to mongering. This includes traveling, following forums, and visiting brothels. It is hard to put an exact number on this such as days / hours / EUR spent at the club. It depends on the individual and their circumstances.

A local monger who lives 20 km can easily spend 30 days in the FKK without much effort. They might just have nothing else better to do on their weekend. For someone who lives so close, I would say 60-150 days might be the threshold to be considered hardcore. At clubs, where the entry is cheaper or where the entry includes unlimited beer, you see men using the club more as a social venue to meet friends, and not so much as an actual sex club. Consider that a beer at a normal pub will cost 4-5 EUR. If you spend 12 hours in a club and eat several meals, you can easily recoup your entry. In this manner, bonding with your friend at an FKK is as cost effective as bonding with a friend at a pub in city center. At Sharks, especially on the weekends or after midnight, you see groups of young men arriving. They use the venue to socialize and drink, taking at most one session, and usually a quick one. I recently met a group of guys from Italy who were in Germany on a road trip. They were actual childhood friends in real life, not mongers who bonded over a common interest in the hobby. They had been in Germany 6 days bonding over non-sex related activities (beer halls and football matches, etc), and decided to spend their last day at FKK. For these mongers, "sex" is merely a side attraction of the FKK. No need for Viagra, one quick session with a pop is enough, then they go back to drinking with their friends. I don't think it is because they are poor necessarily. They just don't have an appetite or addiction for sex with WGs. If such mongers lived "5000 miles away" as some other poster recently mentioned, my bet is a lot of these men would never make the effort to fly out to FKK land, unless they had some other reason, like visiting family or a business trip. These mongers probably would not read ISG.

Contrast that to a fly-in sex tourist from the USA or Asia. To attend 30 days, they basically have to sacrifice most if not all of their paid vacation and public holidays. Many that I have talked to have zero interest in Germany except for the FKKs. If these men are in Germany for seven days, they will maybe take at most one day off. And most of their FKK days are full 12-16 hour days. I would say these men traveling such distances often want something "more" or they are probably "searching" for something. For Asian fly-in tourists, this might be the "white beauties". Others might be searching for WGs who look extremely young. Some might be searching for full end-to-end social experiences with WGs (hanging out with a girl outside the club, being seen in public together, using social media and Facetime, etc). I am not saying locals don't want these things, but percentage-wise more of the fly-in tourists want this. I am generalizing, of course. I consider you a hardcore fly-in sex tourist, and you seem to just want sex. DFK, intimacy, youth, exceptional beauty and whiteness don't really seem that important to you.

Manhattan has a lot of tourists that fly-in, but they seem to be the type that do a day or two of mongering on the back-end of a business trip. Or they have a 24 hour layover in Frankfurt. These men are neither sex tourists or hardcore mongers. But I would say 90 percent of fly-in sex tourists are hardcore mongers. With locals, even the ones spending 30-60 days, that percentage might only be 10 percent.

[Member #4585]

I reached the same conclusion as you. I think JNPR more or less suggested similar if I am not mistaken: that is, mongers who take out out their favorite FKK WGs for 12 hours 1000 EUR are essentially looking for a GFE experience, and that a sugar babe might be a better fit for this need. And likely more cost-effective.

I agree that Jnpr30 suggested as such. That for the guy wanting GFE and not purely a suck and fuck for 50 bucks then a sugar babe relationship may be more in tune with the requirement specification. It may end up being more reciprocal and cost effective and regular not needing to head into the wilds of the German countryside to track down some of these clubs that abound. Commonsense.

I agree with this paragraph 100 percent.

Many smart, rational people I know stayed on with failing projects and businesses too long because they were emotionally invested. They wanted to believe that their project or business would bounce back. Many girlfriends stay with boyfriends who they shouldn't, thinking that the man will stop cheating on them or stop beating them. They are unable to face the truth, because they've invested so much in the relationship. It is called the "sunk cost fallacy".

I get this a lot. I cannot let go when I need to do a clear out of my home. Whether its books, CDS, DVDs, clothes. You know you do not use them or find no use for them but you keep them because you know how much you spent in dollar terms and time invested in finding and choosing these items. So much. Then for you in an instant to throw them into the garbage bag and hoisted into the jumbo bin for transportation to the wasteland for disposal or to a recycling institution.

[Member #4585]

A few times in the past, in the context of paid sex in US and other countries, the topic of sugar daddy / sugar babe came up. I have been wanting to write up my thoughts and experiences on this subject for a while, so here goes.

For various reasons, my visits to German FKKs which were never plentiful (compared to what some other lucky dudes here manage to do) have become truly anemic of late. Necessity is the mother of invention and I was forced to look closer to home.

Thank you for your concerted effort in compiling this comprehensive compendium of communications that has created a hub of discussion among the group. I deleted my sugar daddy profile recently since I was getting not much use from it as I was not using it in the right way, but you have inspired me to may be rebuild again in this Fall period before the Winter offensive begins. I think I need to actually pay something for a membership inside of passively getting hit with messages that I could not open, benefiting in knowing what types of gold diggers were interested in me and only fantasizing what they would be saying in their locked messages as I did not have the right to open them having no paid.

Indeed with the less travel and logistical nightmare involved this makes an excellent alternative and supplement to the FKKs in Germany which is not always so convenient when needing to travel 9 hours across the Atlantic Ocean. FKK will always be in our hearts and minds but as McAdonis and Kosher Cowboy says with the rise of the Precious Princess that the allure of the mega FKK clubs is dwindling.

Thank you Jnpr30.