German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Java Man]

Java: Looks like I can't subscribe, as I'm from the US as well and they won't allow transactions. Perhaps we could coordinate here? Monday or Tuesday the 27th and 28th are best for me. It would be good to have a partner in crime to share adventures. Get in touch of you think we can work it out. If not, good luck and have fun!

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I'm headed to Berlin next Tuesday, the 28th. Suggestion: Meet someplace at time convenient to you.
Check to make sure where you're staying has a/c, a lot of these old buildings don't have it. It was 94F when I arrived Wed, Hot today, hopefully cools off Friday.

[Sirioja]

So you haven't known FKKs for more than a few weeks and already girls are plying you with their social media IDs. Wow. Over the past 5 or 6 years of being a regular customer to many German FKKs I still have to meet a single working girl suggesting of her own accord we stay in touch on Fb or Whattsapp.

Very usual, in Germany, Austria, NL and at Globe, girls propose to have contact on whatsapp, then they can ask when You will return. Fortunately for me, I have or had 6 regulars with more than 30 rooms, all Romanians, but they don t ask me money. They were all very honest about money, when we were often over 1 h, or 1 h30, but 100 or 150, and see you.

[Jooeey]

I was reading an article, and came across one line, but could not understand it. What do you guys reckon it could be?

"More Prostitutes Per Capita" What does that even mean?

[Rocky V]

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? I use my real name in all of my social media accounts. Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?

Yes, there are risks in revealing your true identity to WGs, so do not do it. Remember they are only after your money!

Rock.

[Vito Corleone]

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? I use my real name in all of my social media accounts. Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?

FB, I wouldn't share this info but whatsapp is fine. Just expect 45% of the population in Romania to all of the sudden need Energency life saving surgery.

[Chongmal]

You missed my point and also what some of the girls were saying in club.

Look if all clients just mostly go for 50 euro, what those girls meant and I meant was that their body cannot take it.

I mean 50 euro and usually girls shoot for 500 euro minimum and some often say they are shooting for 1000 euro per day, so just imagine how much rooms she got to do if most or all clients are just 50 euro per 30 min.

I also think comparing their work to average salary is not fair as FKK is special kind of work.

What I meant and girls meant is that just 50 euro sessions all day is too much for their physical human body..

Actually, I understood your point exactly. I did make the comparison to professional athletes and stated that much in the same, most WGs won't be in their prime ten years into the business. To stay with this analogy, I should then have great compassion for professional athletes who make millions per year but are in financial ruins at the end of their playing career. I should also advocate for Ronaldo to get paid double because now the Spanish government is asking him to pay taxes, much the same as the German government is asking from WGs. It's horrible that the government has the audacity to collect taxes when the women and Ronaldo have to work so hard for their money. Don't get me wrong, I actually have more compassion for the women in the clubs. What frustrates me, especially, are those who are supporting pimps and loverboys, who live the high life off the money made by the woman braking her body.

If you look at the larger situation, most women in the business are there to escape a negative situation. Many are single mothers with unsupportive baby daddies. Some come from a family that has 9 children and live on a small farm that can't feed the family, so they have come west to earn money to pay for their parents lives and actions. Some have a drug addicted loverboys who convinced them that this is the best way to prove their love to him or maybe the women themselves have a drug problem themselves. Some arrive with none of these issues and soon find themselves with many of them.

The points I tried to make was the women are making enough to survive, most of them are actually having far less actual sex than many men imagine and if they actually participated in some sort of financial management then they would be able to improve there long term lives. Two women I consider myself friends with, have decided to invest in real estate. They have taken two different paths. The first has invested in her house plus two apartments. The apartments are to be rented as vacation accommodations. Her hopes, if she finishes paying for the two apartments before retiring from the job, she will have enough income from renting them out to survive and the money she makes from her regular job is bonus. The other has invested in agricultural land. There is less investment required up front and the returns are slower. She paid cash up front and leases the land out to a local farmer. Her annual income for the property is not as high but she is playing the long game. Real estate prices in the area have surged over 25% in the last 5 years. If she holds the property for a number of years she should be able to sell it at a great profit or pass it within her family. She also has her plan to work and earn money during her 30 years after retiring from the business. These are two examples of women making the best from the situation. Two other women I know are focused on things instead of assets. The first has her dream of a white BMW X6. The second wants her ladies white gold Rolex with diamonds. I have had the Things vs Assets talk with both but I think they have their hearts set on the cash and flash.

Now to show my compassion for the ladies. If I was going to advocate for any major change to benefit them, I would say that the clubs should not be able to force them to be present an excessive number of hours per day. I know many clubs where a woman arriving after a certain time in the day has to stay for up to 12 hours. If the club wants women present to the end, they should provide a some type incentive rather than forcing the woman to work extra hours.

[ShooBree]

50 euros, that's almost what you pay street hookers. They might as well begin to work in the streets.

How many of the girls have 10 clients a day or more? I'm sure the pros loves the thought of fucking 10 men a day for 50€ a pop.

By the way, fuck the FKK: s with their crazy high entrance fees. I go to the *****houses to drink and fuck, not to take a sauna.

[Fericit]

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?

Yes, there is a huge risk if you connect with them on Whatsapp / social media. They will send you little kiss faces and hearts and shit. Then, you won't be able to stop thinking about them. Then you will constantly obsess about returning to Germany as quickly as you can and planning your next trips. Then before you know it, you are in financial ruin because you spent all your time and money on FKKs.

Huge risk. Don't do it.

[XXL]

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. ...

So you haven't known FKKs for more than a few weeks and already girls are plying you with their social media IDs. Wow. Over the past 5 or 6 years of being a regular customer to many German FKKs I still have to meet a single working girl suggesting of her own accord we stay in touch on Fb or Whattsapp.

[Mr Ho]

Salaam Chongmal. I agree. Raising the rate from 50 to 60 or 70 or whatever wouldn't address the underlying problem. The real problem is that cliques / cartels are spoiling the atmosphere of FKKs and driving away customers. If an FKK is a ghost town, not even the hottest chick is going to get 10 x 50 sessions a day. But if the vibe is good, she will. And 10 x 50 is certainly enough, as you say. I think even 5 x 50 would be comfortably better than working in McDonalds, assuming the girl likes sex. Anyway 5 x 50 is better than 1 x 60, which is what a girl is faced with in a gang-dominated club.

So I say, first get rid of the gangs, observe the increased business, *then* let's see if the girls still need a rate increase.

I think price cartels are bad thing and it exist among girls forcing other girls not to do this and that for standard session etc.

However, as for gangs, when bike people were obvious on the scene, I have to say they provided some very good looking stunners. Mostly tattooed but some were real beauty. I do miss their more obvious presence on the scene. I am sure they still exist or shifted to more Romanian Albanian type gang, but biker people brought in many German girls in to FKK scene back in the day that I do miss.

It is hard for girls to just walk into FKK especially if they are young and they need little support to walk into german FKK industry, so I appreciate the service lover boys, pimps, gang or any group related to helping girls walk into FKK industry.

[Polyamorist]

Let's say a woman gets 10 x 50 sessions per day, which will average about 1.5 hours of active sex per day. If she works 22 days per month, allowing for 4 x 2 day breaks plus one extra day per month. This works out to about 11,000 per month. Using a high average of 50% taxation, if she declared 100% of her earnings as taxable income, I highly doubt there is any WG doing this, then she would have about 5500 left after income tax plus social tax less operating expenses. So completely taxed, after expenses, 5500 for 33 hours of sex acts is about 166 per hour of sex. Of course there is her other time, sitting, waiting, sucking up drinks and sucking on cigarettes but I'm focusing just on the sex acts.

Even if you count the long hours, including all the time she spends in the club, then 5500 per month after tax and expenses is still quite survivable.

Salaam Chongmal. I agree. Raising the rate from 50 to 60 or 70 or whatever wouldn't address the underlying problem. The real problem is that cliques / cartels are spoiling the atmosphere of FKKs and driving away customers. If an FKK is a ghost town, not even the hottest chick is going to get 10 x 50 sessions a day. But if the vibe is good, she will. And 10 x 50 is certainly enough, as you say. I think even 5 x 50 would be comfortably better than working in McDonalds, assuming the girl likes sex. Anyway 5 x 50 is better than 1 x 60, which is what a girl is faced with in a gang-dominated club.

So I say, first get rid of the gangs, observe the increased business, *then* let's see if the girls still need a rate increase.

[PlasticBasin6]

After lurking for the past year or two, I finally checked out a couple FKKs in person. I went to Oase and Sharks, and both lived up to the hype. Several of the girls mentioned connecting with me on WhatsApp and FaceBook. I avoided subject, because I don't know the risks. Are there any risks to connecting with these girls on social media? I use my real name in all of my social media accounts. Is there risk of blackmail? Identity theft? Robbery? Or are they just trying to maintain the interest of a client to guarantee I go with them next time I visit?

[Mr Ho]

Let's say a woman gets 10 x 50 sessions per day, which will average about 1.5 hours of active sex per day. If she works 22 days per month, allowing for 4 x 2 day breaks plus one extra day per month. This works out to about 11,000 per month. Using a high average of 50% taxation, if she declared 100% of her earnings as taxable income, I highly doubt there is any WG doing this, then she would have about 5500 left after income tax plus social tax less operating expenses. So completely taxed, after expenses, 5500 for 33 hours of sex acts is about 166 per hour of sex. Of course there is her other time, sitting, waiting, sucking up drinks and sucking on cigarettes but I'm focusing just on the sex acts..

You missed my point and also what some of the girls were saying in club.

Look if all clients just mostly go for 50 euro, what those girls meant and I meant was that their body cannot take it.

I mean 50 euro and usually girls shoot for 500 euro minimum and some often say they are shooting for 1000 euro per day, so just imagine how much rooms she got to do if most or all clients are just 50 euro per 30 min.

I also think comparing their work to average salary is not fair as FKK is special kind of work.

What I meant and girls meant is that just 50 euro sessions all day is too much for their physical human body.

I understand there are girls who support their living via behind MacDonald counters or waitress etc doing their best, but I also give some understanding to girls who says she cannot do 50 euro per 30 min sessions only then her body cannot take it as well.

However that does not mean I will fall for the crazy up sell LOL. I do however do not mind going for longer session for one hour as long as I can cum two times. Max I pay up is 150 euro per hour, as long as session is good and this is only in certain club like palace German table. Other places are still ok to my experience so far. Ah also Artemis became hardcore upsell club.

[BigBuddy69]

If a lady in the club says she can't survive at 50 per half hour, take her to McDonald's and stand her behind the counter and let her give that a try. There she will find other people with similar backgrounds, working hard to actually be able to just survive. Who knows, maybe she will recruit some nice girls to come and join her at the clubs when she realizes how good she actually had it. I've seen quite a few girls behind the McDonald's counter who's education fund I would be happy to make a donation to.

Or you can send her in an Amazon warehouse to prepare the packages, I'm sure it will be a lot easier physically speaking and she'll make a lot more money.

[Mr Ho]

In sharks, you can smoke everywhere and people do so. In Oase, the smoking area is slightly away from no smoking area. Palace and Mainhattan have got separate enclosures for smokers.

Sharks is big warehouse kinda place, so ceiling is very high, which help to clear the smoke away, therefore it did not bother me much.

Beside Frankfurt. If anyone do not like smoke, stay away from Artemis that is for sure. As for gt I hear it became non smoking in main bar area recently.