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[Sirioja]

BB69 understood what I was getting at, which is to say 30 days of mongering can get quite expensive. Generally, when one is addicted to something, you have no choice but to pay whatever price is necessary to get your "fix", even if it is say a large percentage of one's annual after-taxes income. Also when one is addicted, they have no self-control to stop. They couldn't quit even if they wanted to. When one is addicted, that addiction becomes the focal point of their life, to the point that they might neglect their family, friends, career, and mental / physical health. The figure 30 days is not a hard and fast number. It really depends:

Scenario 1: If some pensioner who lives in Darmstadt attends Sharks 2-3 times a month and spends 150 EUR each time (one 60 minute session + one stamp on his 20 entry card), his 30 day mongering habit is not a huge financial or time-consuming endeavor. It takes him 10 minutes to drive and minimum fuel. He's retired so he has all the free time in the world. Let's assume his retirement income from all sources is 5000 EUR per month after taxes, so 300-450 per month on the hobby is well within his means. Such a monger might not be an addict..

Yes, addiction is when you are not able to control, and suffer financially or being frustrated from this.

I spend more than 100 days for my week ends, in whole FKK land, from Hamburg, now to Nova Gorica + escorts in Paris, but I don't suffer from this, so it's not a addiction, but just for pleasure and game. But all my girls know they can't compete versus ski or climbing mountains. I remember exceptional Lena. Ro on last August at Wellcum. I arrived driving through Dolomiti from Stelvio on a Thursday afternoon. First room was average with a pretty girl, second room was with a friendly girl but not pretty enough when full naked on the bed, so I was thinking to leave to move to Andiamo, when I discovered Lena and her smile in the evening. Wow room with her on this Thursday evening. On Friday, I returned to take a big breakfast to prepare Zoncolan. I saw Lena who was speaking with a guy, when she saw me she smiled, finished with the guy and came to me smiling. I told her I couldn't go with her, if you saw her face. Then I drove 1 h to Zoncolan and returned to Wellcum on the evening, then when she saw me, no smile on her face, so I went to her telling her: now I'm ready for you, she answered: but at 1 am, you already had a room? I answered: of course not, but I had to prepare for my climbing, I explained her, she looked at me as a alien, of course she became my only girl on this Friday with 2 wow rooms, on Saturday for party but I arrived only on evening, but she was really exceptional, waiting for a good room, other girls were telling her: it's your turn for the key, and she answered: you can go, I'm waiting for a better room, on Ferragosto party. For our second room, we finished at 3. 15 am, lights were on in the club, only us when going downstairs. So I returned on Sunday to take big breakfast before driving to Zoncolan for my third try, I had to stop on 2 first tries because of rain, then no grip for rear wheel when 25% climbing. After breakfast, smiles and caresses with her at the bar, others girls and guys were looking at us, even I knew I should not, but I couldn't resist when she laid on her back, opening her legs, giving me pillow to put under her ass, smiling meaning: please work for me. Then great time again for our sixth room, but I controlled not to finish. When she saw I didn't finish, she asked: I finished, why you don't? Little doll princess on this year, would have said: what the fuck you don't finish with me. So, I had to explain to Lena, I needed to keep all my power for Zoncolan. I don't think she understood, she said: you are crazy. I missed her on this year, she was my power for my performance on last year, when only killing body and mind on this year, so I will have to return, but I will prepare at Globe, like for ski.

Even with top girls like Lena, FKK games are only second choice versus real sports.

I catch throatache in FKK, but if I ever catch STD, then no more FKK games. I don't lie this kind of risks, I prefer free ride or speed.

[Bfsie]

Kosher Kowboy,

I agree with you. By the way, I also enjoy your witty and entertaining writings.

If a monger keeps the contact of a WG and coordinates with her so that she is there when he visits, both he and she benefit. He repeats with a reliable provider and she obtains guaranteed sessions, perhaps multiple long sessions. There is no reason a monger has to pay for this.

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I am in agreement with your post except above part. In my opinion, I would change the last sentence of above part of your post to "The cost of such contact from a monger will be included in the cost of guaranteed sessions, perhaps multiple long sessions, in his upcoming trip, just like the coach time before those upcoming sessions.".

[Rogue Nation]

Scenario 1: If some pensioner who lives in Darmstadt attends Sharks 2-3 times a month and spends 150 EUR each time (one 60 minute session + one stamp on his 20 entry card), his 30 day mongering habit is not a huge financial or time-consuming endeavor. It takes him 10 minutes to drive and minimum fuel. He's retired so he has all the free time in the world. Let's assume his retirement income from all sources is 5000 EUR per month after taxes, so 300-450 per month on the hobby is well within his means. Such a monger might not be an addict.

The average German pensioner attending FKK clubs will have significantly less than 5000€ income after taxes. 450€ will probably be 20-25% of his income. Many pensioners are going for the cheap entry options (ROM, Atlanta, World on Wednesday) and will have sex on every 5th or 6th visit.

[Akibono]

You are right. Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them. If a monger didn't gain anything by obtaining a WG's contact info and contacting the WG afterwards, why would he ask a WG's contact info in the first place? Even if a monger asks a WG's contact info just for knowing where she works so that he can see her on his next trip, this info gives the monger comfort by knowing he will be able to see her on his upcoming trip. Mongers should realize that various contacts with WGs cost money because mongers gain something mentally through contacts. Whether the amounts WGs ask are fair is debatable, but we can't blame WGs to ask money for keeping contact with mongers.

If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.


On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

Some guys just want contact info so they can find the girl to session with the next time. It is for the girl's benefit since they get more business. That is different than seeing a girl outside the club or developing a relationship.

[Member #4581]

McA — a while ago, you gave some good suggestions to break one's porn addiction. Curious if you tried any remedies to break your self admitted club addiction. Or do you consider FKK addiction relatively harmless as compared to porn addiction?

[McAdonis]

Addiction. 30 days a year listening to classical music or going to church, or the gym, would not be seen as addiction.

BB69 understood what I was getting at, which is to say 30 days of mongering can get quite expensive. Generally, when one is addicted to something, you have no choice but to pay whatever price is necessary to get your "fix", even if it is say a large percentage of one's annual after-taxes income. Also when one is addicted, they have no self-control to stop. They couldn't quit even if they wanted to. When one is addicted, that addiction becomes the focal point of their life, to the point that they might neglect their family, friends, career, and mental / physical health. The figure 30 days is not a hard and fast number. It really depends:

Scenario 1: If some pensioner who lives in Darmstadt attends Sharks 2-3 times a month and spends 150 EUR each time (one 60 minute session + one stamp on his 20 entry card), his 30 day mongering habit is not a huge financial or time-consuming endeavor. It takes him 10 minutes to drive and minimum fuel. He's retired so he has all the free time in the world. Let's assume his retirement income from all sources is 5000 EUR per month after taxes, so 300-450 per month on the hobby is well within his means. Such a monger might not be an addict.

Scenario 2: Guys from continental Europe or UK can also easily hit the 30 day mark and not make too many sacrifices. A French monger can attend 15 weekends per year. That alone puts him at 30 FKK days. It costs him fuel, toll, 15 nights hotel, and 10-12 hours travel time per trip. He can easily hit the 30 day mark without ever tapping into his 30 days paid vacation and 11 public holidays. Such a monger might not be an addict.

Scenario 3: If a fly-in tourist from America or East Asia wanted to spend 30 days in Europe, they would probably use up most if not all of their annual paid holidays and public holidays. If their 30 FKK days were broken up into four separate trips, that is about 4-8 travel days burned. In other words 34-38 days would be needed to achieve the 30 FKK days mark. The intercontinental airfare, rental cars, and hotels also add up. Not to mention these mongers are also known for their higher average daily spending on sessions. Such a monger might be an addict. Again it depends. If he is some Silicon Valley hotshot who retired early with a net worth of $10 M, then he could spend comfortably $50 K per year on the hobby over his 30 FKK days and still have ample time and money to pursue non-hobby endeavors. But an American monger who makes $100 K per year (net income $70 K) and spends $40-50 K on the hobby would probably be considered an addict.

For the record, I would consider myself an addict. I spend significantly more than 30 days in the FKK.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them.

On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

I also think if you have your number entered in to a WG's phone one can not complain if they ask for money or use the number to their advantage. IMHO phone numbers, social media etc are a form of an extension of ' couch time' which is all part of our Pussy Bill. Way too many guys out there confuse ' out of club contact' to be more than business with their emotions and 99 percent of the time will get burned financially or emotionally or both. Different place but my last two trips to PTY resulted in several phone numbers but in that particular locale day options are far and few and the girls want (and visa versa) to be able to set up daytime appointments so the phone serves as a ' hook up spot' like a club since they don't get rocking until sunset, to bring john and WG together. Anyway, within 2-3 months I noticed I was deleted from all their WhapsApp's, all of them asked for money, all got a ' no' or no reply at all; all deleted me. I do not blame them, nature of the beast. Their job and ultimate objectives with us are financial.

I had a girl the other day use my phone number to try to jockey for position to claim Euros. A WG contacted me and was yapping with her friend same time but some other girl must have have overhead something because while I was still on WhatsApp this shrewd and highly observant WG sent me a very nice picture out of nowhere with emojis ' Can't wait to see you. ' I know she's trying to cut the line for Euros. Our numbers can be used for many reasons, usually all comes back to money however even if not hard paper currency on the spot sent Western Union.

I second your opinion on Optimist, perhaps one of the best writers on here and diplomatic is a great word to describe him. I have to say he is also one of the most trustworthy characters I have met in and out of the P4 P scene.

I hope you enjoyed the picture swap Optimist ( takes one to get one) , you too will be poorer as a result. As you say, all fun and games, what's a few bucks, euros, pounds, yens etc.

[Member #4581]

You are right. Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them. If a monger didn't gain anything by obtaining a WG's contact info and contacting the WG afterwards, why would he ask a WG's contact info in the first place? Even if a monger asks a WG's contact info just for knowing where she works so that he can see her on his next trip, this info gives the monger comfort by knowing he will be able to see her on his upcoming trip. Mongers should realize that various contacts with WGs cost money because mongers gain something mentally through contacts. Whether the amounts WGs ask are fair is debatable, but we can't blame WGs to ask money for keeping contact with mongers.

If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.


On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

If a monger keeps the contact of a WG and coordinates with her so that she is there when he visits, both he and she benefit. He repeats with a reliable provider and she obtains guaranteed sessions, perhaps multiple long sessions. There is no reason a monger has to pay for this.

If a monger is looking for something more than answer to a simple "are you working on xyz date during my upcoming visit", then it is a different matter. If a monger sends dozens of texts a day and expects speedy replies, wants and needs facetimes and skypes and phone calls and other comforting goodies, yeah that is time spent by the girl -- and to WGs, time = money, hence she is justified in demanding some dough in return.

It is a bit like time in the club: if you smile at the girl and say Hello and she reciprocates, she is not entitled to any money. If the monger spends hours of couch time, she is justified in demanding some moolah (unless she was Janine).

There are many girls who derive the majority of their business through repeat contacts. They are totally prebooked before they step into the club. Clearly, they could not have done this in pre-smartphone days.

[Bfsie]

If it is only a hundred euros or two and is accompanied by telephone or internet chats and messages then I look upon it as payment for the time and effort they put into telling me they miss me and so on.

You are right. Sorry, fellow mongers, this time I am going to defend WGs' behavior of asking the mongers to send money to them. If a monger didn't gain anything by obtaining a WG's contact info and contacting the WG afterwards, why would he ask a WG's contact info in the first place? Even if a monger asks a WG's contact info just for knowing where she works so that he can see her on his next trip, this info gives the monger comfort by knowing he will be able to see her on his upcoming trip. Mongers should realize that various contacts with WGs cost money because mongers gain something mentally through contacts. Whether the amounts WGs ask are fair is debatable, but we can't blame WGs to ask money for keeping contact with mongers.

If a monger doesn't want to be bothered for money by WGs, he shouldn't ask WG's contact info or give his contact info to the WG in the first place.


On a lighter note, Optimist, each time I read your post, I felt that we got the spokesman of Ministry of Foreign Affairs in our community LOL, because you are always very diplomatic. I enjoy your elegant writing.

[BigBuddy69]

Addiction. 30 days a year listening to classical music or going to church, or the gym, would not be seen as addiction.

You're right but that's not exactly the same cost.

[Optimist]

Addiction. 30 days a year listening to classical music or going to church, or the gym, would not be seen as addiction.

[Optimist]

It is fine to refuse to send money. If the girl knows you are fond of her she will (normally) just wait a while and ask again. And again. And again. They have nothing to lose in asking politely.

If it is only a hundred euros or two and is accompanied by telephone or internet chats and messages then I look upon it as payment for the time and effort they put into telling me they miss me and so on.

When it gets to the thousands then we are talking about serious scamming. It is okay to fall for a shark, but essential to know it is a shark and not a cuddly companion. My current heart capturing girl recently extracted 10,000 euros from a guy who somehow convinced himself the girl was soft on him. I would do anything for this girl except believe her, trust her, and waste my money on her.

[Mr Ho]

Mac,

Addiction is when what you can't help doing, make you suffer, but when you do it and get pleasure, like free riding is for adrenaline, climbing the most difficult mountains trying to break your time record is a challenge every Summer, trying to make play your game to the prettiest girls is so enjoyable, and the most enjoyable is when they improve for you. No addiction, no frustration, just pleasure in mind and dreams.

Ask doctors about meaning of addiction, meaning suffering.

For sure, for those who look for love with girls who go to be fucked by anybody, but for love only in room, good game to get what we enjoy from girls. I really enjoyed on last night at Marina Slovenia, how Mila. Ro, 23 yo, super sexy, changed of behavior, so far from her usual 10 mn rooms with Italians for 70 , but 1 h30 taking care of her, I loved how she looked at me when I entered deep inside of her, so enjoyable to see tears in her eyes when I told her at the end of sex: you see, you are able to be a woman for love, a princess, not only a 10 mn girl. Even only 210 for 1 h30 , when she is used to make 70 in 10 mn, and I refused extra she asked only when I paid for kissing, but according to her smiles and kisses after, I think I will be welcome to repeat, to make her feel again woman, with kisses, caresses, DATY to YamaYama, and going deep inside of her, making her face becoming red.

FKK land is a playfield for games, like mountains are playfield for sports. Just have to be able to understand limits of games.

For us mongering is not addiction, it is one stop solution to used to be limited supply.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, men were limited access to having sex with beautiful girls as we want, how we want, when we want and what we want, but FKK and some other platform solved such problem for men for reasonable price.

FKK platform is like uber of prostitution industry.

[KaveMan]

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year

I would say that is a sweeping ill-informed generalization.

Addict is just another label.

Are the well behaved family-men; not just Eunuchs if they are in a a sex-less marriage.

Are the faithful husbands of fat, wrinkled, 50+ year Women not Masochists?

One man's paradise is another man's prison.

No one is going to give you a medal on your death bed because you stayed home and paid the bills for 75 yrs.

Picasso was dating an 18 yr old when he was 50.

Men are attracted to female youth and fertility, no morality or prudishness is going to change evolution.

[Member #4581]

Practical advice. If she is asking for a money transfer on Western Union, say that you are under personal tax audit and cannot make any transfers at the moment. Say you have enough cash for her when you see her next time at the club.

Why bother telling lies? I personally don't like to lie unless absolutely necessary. We don't owe them *any* explanation. A curt "sorry, no!" will suffice. If she gets upset, so be it. There are many other girls, and even more newer ones always coming in.