German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Optimist]

It is fine to refuse to send money. If the girl knows you are fond of her she will (normally) just wait a while and ask again. And again. And again. They have nothing to lose in asking politely.

If it is only a hundred euros or two and is accompanied by telephone or internet chats and messages then I look upon it as payment for the time and effort they put into telling me they miss me and so on.

When it gets to the thousands then we are talking about serious scamming. It is okay to fall for a shark, but essential to know it is a shark and not a cuddly companion. My current heart capturing girl recently extracted 10,000 euros from a guy who somehow convinced himself the girl was soft on him. I would do anything for this girl except believe her, trust her, and waste my money on her.

[Mr Ho]

Mac,

Addiction is when what you can't help doing, make you suffer, but when you do it and get pleasure, like free riding is for adrenaline, climbing the most difficult mountains trying to break your time record is a challenge every Summer, trying to make play your game to the prettiest girls is so enjoyable, and the most enjoyable is when they improve for you. No addiction, no frustration, just pleasure in mind and dreams.

Ask doctors about meaning of addiction, meaning suffering.

For sure, for those who look for love with girls who go to be fucked by anybody, but for love only in room, good game to get what we enjoy from girls. I really enjoyed on last night at Marina Slovenia, how Mila. Ro, 23 yo, super sexy, changed of behavior, so far from her usual 10 mn rooms with Italians for 70 , but 1 h30 taking care of her, I loved how she looked at me when I entered deep inside of her, so enjoyable to see tears in her eyes when I told her at the end of sex: you see, you are able to be a woman for love, a princess, not only a 10 mn girl. Even only 210 for 1 h30 , when she is used to make 70 in 10 mn, and I refused extra she asked only when I paid for kissing, but according to her smiles and kisses after, I think I will be welcome to repeat, to make her feel again woman, with kisses, caresses, DATY to YamaYama, and going deep inside of her, making her face becoming red.

FKK land is a playfield for games, like mountains are playfield for sports. Just have to be able to understand limits of games.

For us mongering is not addiction, it is one stop solution to used to be limited supply.

Once upon a time, not so long ago, men were limited access to having sex with beautiful girls as we want, how we want, when we want and what we want, but FKK and some other platform solved such problem for men for reasonable price.

FKK platform is like uber of prostitution industry.

[KaveMan]

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year

I would say that is a sweeping ill-informed generalization.

Addict is just another label.

Are the well behaved family-men; not just Eunuchs if they are in a a sex-less marriage.

Are the faithful husbands of fat, wrinkled, 50+ year Women not Masochists?

One man's paradise is another man's prison.

No one is going to give you a medal on your death bed because you stayed home and paid the bills for 75 yrs.

Picasso was dating an 18 yr old when he was 50.

Men are attracted to female youth and fertility, no morality or prudishness is going to change evolution.

[Member #4581]

Practical advice. If she is asking for a money transfer on Western Union, say that you are under personal tax audit and cannot make any transfers at the moment. Say you have enough cash for her when you see her next time at the club.

Why bother telling lies? I personally don't like to lie unless absolutely necessary. We don't owe them *any* explanation. A curt "sorry, no!" will suffice. If she gets upset, so be it. There are many other girls, and even more newer ones always coming in.

[FKKLife]

Hi all,

Coming into Frankfurt & only have 2 days to spend & just curious from the seasoned vets & current attendees if you would recommend Oase on Sat & Sharks on Sun or the other way around? I do want to check out both clubs just not sure which is the better play right now to see their best talent, thanks in advance!

[Smoke Light]

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy.

I absolutely agree. Falling in love with a prostitute is similar to swimming in water with a shark 10 times larger than you while bleeding. Unless you find a way out of the water, you will be destroyed. She may even feel sorry before eating you up alive.

Practical advice. If she is asking for a money transfer on Western Union, say that you are under personal tax audit and cannot make any transfers at the moment. Say you have enough cash for her when you see her next time at the club. 50% of the time she will stop texting you almost completely, which should tell you how much she really cares. Small gifts and long rooms are OK as long as you get free extras and multiple pops. No need for long rooms if you pop only once. To prevent long stays in the room, tell her you want to watch her pick other clients at the club because it's your sex fantasy.

[Sirioja]

This segment of the population, as you say, is not well-informed. I suspect that many of these pandas are infrequent, or one-time visitors and thus have no reason to invest the time to "learn" from our discussions here or any other pay sex forums. If a one-time or infrequent visitor, then they are probably not taking Viagra and the adrenaline of being a newbie probably means they pop within a few minutes. The quick pop means that they probably wouldn't extend past the 30 minute mark. If not using Viagra, they may not attempt a second session that day. While 200 for 15 minutes is certainly a financial windfall for a WG, you would need a large number of such ill-informed pandas to distort the market. Some discussion here lately has suggested that the pandas at Sharks are more informed than the ones at say Mainhattan.

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:.

Mac,

Addiction is when what you can't help doing, make you suffer, but when you do it and get pleasure, like free riding is for adrenaline, climbing the most difficult mountains trying to break your time record is a challenge every Summer, trying to make play your game to the prettiest girls is so enjoyable, and the most enjoyable is when they improve for you. No addiction, no frustration, just pleasure in mind and dreams.

Ask doctors about meaning of addiction, meaning suffering.

For sure, for those who look for love with girls who go to be fucked by anybody, but for love only in room, good game to get what we enjoy from girls. I really enjoyed on last night at Marina Slovenia, how Mila. Ro, 23 yo, super sexy, changed of behavior, so far from her usual 10 mn rooms with Italians for 70 € , but 1 h30 taking care of her, I loved how she looked at me when I entered deep inside of her, so enjoyable to see tears in her eyes when I told her at the end of sex: you see, you are able to be a woman for love, a princess, not only a 10 mn girl. Even only 210 for 1 h30 , when she is used to make 70 in 10 mn, and I refused extra she asked only when I paid for kissing, but according to her smiles and kisses after, I think I will be welcome to repeat, to make her feel again woman, with kisses, caresses, DATY to YamaYama, and going deep inside of her, making her face becoming red.

FKK land is a playfield for games, like mountains are playfield for sports. Just have to be able to understand limits of games.

[Chongmal]

Well many guys who do long rooms are negatively impacting the local monger as well.

McA,

You know me too well, I am a pancake maker. I do occasionally feel bad for the other guys when I take a girl for a long session, but about five seconds into my BJ and I forget about them and it's all about me.

[Member #4581]

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy. He's invested so much in her up until this point. In his mind, she is starting to fall in love with him, so he doesn't want to lose that momentum. My stance: if a WG starts to exhibit greed or does something to upset him, he should put her on probation. Cut off her payments. If she gives him the silent treatment, he shouldn't apologize right away. He and his whale wallet are the prize. She should be afraid of losing him, and doing everything to impress him. He should even be the one throwing tantrums sometimes!

Posters here have also made statements like "Wow, I am small potatoes compared to how much her rich clients spend on her". I am of the opinion that most WGs will exaggerate how much their whales actually spend on them. They may do this hoping that the customer cares enough for her to get into a bidding war.

I am in complete agreement with your last two paragraphs.

Falling for a WG is a fool's errand. It leads to nothing but a broken heart, emotional bitterness and financial ruin 99% of the time. (I would have said 100% but every once in a while, someone comes up with a random male Cinderella story).

I also agree that it is completely in the girls' interest to lie and exaggerate about her "other her rich clients". Here is a typical scenario.

Once she knows you have a strong interest in her (but not yet head over heels), she will try to create jealousy and competition "this other guy is giving me all these gifts and showering me with thousands of dollars". At the same time, she will also claim she has an immediate monetary need because she is somewhat insolvent despite all her massive earnings streams as she donated the money to a mom / sister yadda yadda. So, on one hand she wants your sympathy and pity and on the other hand jealousy and feeling of inadequacy and need to compete with a superior suitor. That these counter claims on your wallet are somewhat contradictory may not be obvious if you are blinded by love and lust.

[McAdonis]

Even the Asian tourists paying 150 to 200 an hour are probably not destroying the market intentionally, but just don't know any better.

This segment of the population, as you say, is not well-informed. I suspect that many of these pandas are infrequent, or one-time visitors and thus have no reason to invest the time to "learn" from our discussions here or any other pay sex forums. If a one-time or infrequent visitor, then they are probably not taking Viagra and the adrenaline of being a newbie probably means they pop within a few minutes. The quick pop means that they probably wouldn't extend past the 30 minute mark. If not using Viagra, they may not attempt a second session that day. While 200 for 15 minutes is certainly a financial windfall for a WG, you would need a large number of such ill-informed pandas to distort the market. Some discussion here lately has suggested that the pandas at Sharks are more informed than the ones at say Mainhattan.

If guys of variable means and needs interact with sex suppliers, the ones with higher needs and bigger wallets are likely to overwhelm the ones with lesser needs and smaller wallets. Should the former be blamed?

Most of the readers and posters here are addicts. Many are spending 30 plus days in the club per year, 14 hours per visit, sampling 4 WGs per day, therefore we have a relatively greater impact on the market. I have nothing against those guys who do long rooms, overnights, or make themselves exclusive to a single FKK club wife. I am simply advocating for these mongers to negotiate the best possible value. Being a platinum level customer should entitle you receive some customer loyalty rewards.

Some ISGers or some mongers in general may just be into long rooms because they already know what they want, which girls they like and realized over time that they find half hour sessions not satisfying and that they can't finish in such sessions.

True. But some mongers who are spending large sums are "blinded by love" or they are believing everything that the WG is telling them. Here are two scenarios:

Posters here have opened up about "falling" for a WG. They threw money and gifts at her, hoping to impress her or win her affection. If she asks for a Western Union transfer on WhatsApp, he may be afraid to say "no" to her, because he fears that he will lose her. It's the sunk cost fallacy. He's invested so much in her up until this point. In his mind, she is starting to fall in love with him, so he doesn't want to lose that momentum. My stance: if a WG starts to exhibit greed or does something to upset him, he should put her on probation. Cut off her payments. If she gives him the silent treatment, he shouldn't apologize right away. He and his whale wallet are the prize. She should be afraid of losing him, and doing everything to impress him. He should even be the one throwing tantrums sometimes!

Posters here have also made statements like "Wow, I am small potatoes compared to how much her rich clients spend on her". I am of the opinion that most WGs will exaggerate how much their whales actually spend on them. They may do this hoping that the customer cares enough for her to get into a bidding war.

[BaltiX]

We are lucky to have Romanian beauties for cheap rate, some are lovely and I love them.

Without Romanians, most of few Germans would not accept to work for such cheap rate. Romanians are better GF for me, even some Germans are crazy hot in bed.

With registration, new Germans will become more and more rare. Romanians are FKK land future, and I'm happy about that.

Business seem more and more slow, not only at LR, but also at big Sharks, and even at GT out of week ends. At Oase, it's because of many girls fault, trying to fuck clients.

Romanian girls has to register too.

[Member #4581]

By that post you spend nearly 1000 a night at an FKK?

Weather or not anyone should of need to care about the comments, is optional.

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How much I spend per night is not relevant here Pistons, but you do need to work on your reading comprehension.

I will probably have to engage a translator service to understand that second sentence of yours.

[Polyamorist]

An increase to 100 e per 30 min would kill the FKK industry. An increase to 60 or 65 (62-63 would be the average) could however increase demand, if but only if the girls would play along and not get carried away by greed.

Salaam Pistons, the alternative I mentioned was to eliminate entrance fees for girls. In return the clubs could increase entry for mongers by 5 euros until there was increased business.

[Pistons]

Some ISGers or some mongers in general may just be into long rooms because they already know what they want, which girls they like and realized over time that they find half hour sessions not satisfying and that they can't finish in such sessions.

Some others strictly do half HR sessions because they want to sample as many girls as possible, don't need things like kissing, DATY, even BJ and just want to bang the girl, finish, and do the next girl.

I personally don't have a strict formula. I do want to have as many sessions as I can, with as many different pretty girls as I can, and want to fuck every single optiflck I see in the club at least once. However, I have a handful of personal favs; and I tend to do them at least once or even twice a day every time I am in the club and those can be multiple hour sessions each.

Sounds like you make a hell of a lot of rooms, and add in some long rooms too. By that post you spend nearly 1000 a night at an FKK?

And to your last question: yes of course. There will always be blame to hand around. That is how markets work. Weather or not anyone should of need to care about the comments, is optional. For the girls, they probably just need to understand that not everyone has an equally sized wallet, and micro economics points towards differentiated price tags too. But many girls have the tendency to misjudge the customers. So that is where the blaming probably stems from.

[Member #4581]

Well many guys who do long rooms are negatively impacting the local monger as well. They are essentially taking the WG off the market. I am not complaining because I generally like less popular WGs who don't possess the requisite charm to hook the whales.

It does seem to be a badge of honor for some ISGers to say: "I never pay more than 100 EUR per hour". But if you are spending thousands of EUR on a a favorite WG per year, I would hope that you would be able to negotiate a better hourly rate. Bulk discounts, free time, free extras, etc. Make her earn your EUR! Make her be the one to court you!

Some ISGers or some mongers in general may just be into long rooms because they already know what they want, which girls they like and realized over time that they find half hour sessions not satisfying and that they can't finish in such sessions.

Some others strictly do half HR sessions because they want to sample as many girls as possible, don't need things like kissing, DATY, even BJ and just want to bang the girl, finish, and do the next girl.

I personally don't have a strict formula. I do want to have as many sessions as I can, with as many different pretty girls as I can, and want to fuck every single optiflck I see in the club at least once. However, I have a handful of personal favs; and I tend to do them at least once or even twice a day every time I am in the club and those can be multiple hour sessions each.

I would think no one is intentionally screwing up the market for others. Every man does what is best for himself using the knowledge, skills, and expertise he has. Even the Asian tourists paying 150 to 200 an hour are probably not destroying the market intentionally, but just don't know any better.

If guys of variable means and needs interact with sex suppliers, the ones with higher needs and bigger wallets are likely to overwhelm the ones with lesser needs and smaller wallets. Should the former be blamed?