German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pistons]

Vacations like the summer holiday is also high season for tourists travelling for afar. It might be low seasons for some locals, but just look at the Villash clubs in Austria: July / August is the busiest time of the year. Because the Italians have time off work.

[Pistons]

The inflation has been very low in Europe especially if you don't count the energy and food costs. Maybe you earn 5 times more but that's not the case for everyone. If they raised the 30 minutes costs from 50 to 100, a lot of the clubs would close and more than half of the girls would be back to work in some Bucharest Macdonald. Since one year, there are less and mess men in the clubs, raising the prices wouldn't make them come back.

My theory stands counter to that argument. But I agree on your first part. An increase to 100 e per 30 min would kill the FKK industry. An increase to 60 or 65 (62-63 would be the average) could however increase demand, if but only if the girls would play along and not get carried away by greed. Too rough hikes in price as the same time could be damaging too, so an increase of more than 10 e (20%) would probably not be advisable, which is more than the European CPI increase since 2007, but not by much.

[Chongmal]

Mongering is a physical activity and generally reserved for the more affluent.

I think this is where myself as an expat living many years in Europe and Asia see things differently. In Korea, Thailand, The PI, Vietnam, etc prostitution is for most men. The difference is that prices are inflated for sex tourists, and often times the establishment for locals is segregated from that of foreigners.

In England, Ireland, Spain, the NL Germany, Ukraine mongering is again available to most men. Ukraine is possibly the exception because it seems almost every local woman has a price of $100 which is beyond the means of many local men to pay on a frequent basis unless they are involved in some sort of illegal activities.

Germany is a prime example of prostitution being available for almost every man. If you walk through Frankfurt RLD, the Hamburg RLD, etc toward the end of the evening you will see groups of late teens early twenties men, drunk as heck, walking the streets and stairwells looking for the WG of choice. These are not the affluent, they just have an extra €50 at the end of the night and full balls. If you look at the FKK concept, it was started by a man, to serve the needs of his friends in the village. I'm sure he never imagined how the concept would evolve. It is now a multi billion euro business with international sex tourists arriving daily. Yes, the tourists who are traveling internationally via long haul flights from North America or Asia tend to be affluent, but elsewhere the locals are still visiting working girls. If we advocate and support price increases to €140-200 per hour for basic services it will for sure negatively impact the everyday local man's ability to visit WGs, which I believe will have a larger negative impact on the legislation than anything we have seen to date.

[Kosher Kowboy]

World-wide, the use of air conditioning is mostly an American phenomenon.

And unfortunately $206.91 electric bills seem to be a Texas phenomenon to finance said air conditioning, not sure about in Europe but at least in this neck of the woods the Utility Companies are all thieves, I would rather be upsold and hosed by an upseller over there than write this check.

Still, probably a lot less than Sharks electric bill for July. I can't even imagine how many thousands of Euros they get popped for a month.

Perhaps some guy needs to have a heat stroke in Sharks boiler rooms before change occurs.

Speaking of Sharks and AC, don't all those little wood huts in back have those mini split units in them? I remember them being cold but maybe I was somewhere else (physically and / or mentally.) I think the red room has a Daiken mini (Same brand Mainhatten ordered) on the wall, but I am sure that room is always occupied.

[McAdonis]

There would be no mongering in Thailand if it were not for AC. Don't know about the Philippines (does AC stand for Angeles City or aircon?).

Mongering is a physical activity and generally reserved for the more affluent, so it makes sense that AC is common in Thai and Filipino brothels. Are these brothels frequented by locals? These locations also have more hot days of the year than say Germany.

My point was that AC is not in every building and residence like it is in USA, so people manage to live without it, and probably less likely to complain when without it. Most regular Thai people apparently are forced to suffer without AC: "In Thailand, home air conditioners are not widely used despite the country's tropical heat and humidity. According to Iwatani, the country's air conditioner penetration rate is still 20% or lower. " https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tha...for-investment.

FKK operators probably expect the customer traffic to dip in July and August (especially). We sometimes see some pricing promotions introduced during this period to counteract. Entire cities across Europe become ghost towns in August. Married European mongers must pack the kids into station wagons. Installing more AC would not encourage this demographic to attend, because they have social obligations during peak holiday season. I know some unmarried French, Belgian, Dutch, and German mongers who attend every weekend, but are missing in action for periods during the summer. When Europeans return to work from their month-long vacations, I suspect one needs a cover story. Unless said European monger can manage to be completely anti-social.

Perhaps some guy needs to have a heat stroke in Sharks boiler rooms before change occurs.

[TankTank123]

In Sharks I have been led by girls to windowless rooms after requesting a "not too hot" room. They may have done this on purpose so that I would shorten my already short sessions.

I have found this to be actually true! In my last 2 visits to Sharks, both in peak heat, I tested many many rooms. The windowless ones were about 2 degrees less hot than those with windows. The windowless rooms nearest the staircase were the least untolerable.

[XXL]

...World-wide, the use of air conditioning is mostly an American phenomenon. China and Japan apparently has spiked, but their usage is more recent. Europe may start to catch on with the record breaking heat wave this year. Other parts of the world which are actually much hotter and more humid, don't have the wealth yet to develop the appetite for AC.

There would be no mongering in Thailand if it were not for AC. Don't know about the Philippines (does AC stand for Angeles City or aircon?).

I think German clubs have been in denial about this. For the price and maintenance of their spurious swimming pools that people want to use on even less days of the year than AC they could have AC in at least some rooms. Note that some clubs keep their sauna pumping heat during hot days when you just can just as well sweat like a pig lying outside.

Girls often say they don't like AC, they say it makes them ill. I suspect they dislike clients who fuck athletically even more. In Sharks I have been led by girls to windowless rooms after requesting a "not too hot" room. They may have done this on purpose so that I would shorten my already short sessions.

Over the last few years Munich public transports have been plagued by delays in summer because of elderly passengers needing medical attention ("Notartzeinsatz"). This is a central Europe, with a continental climate, not Brittany.

[McAdonis]

There have been quite a few complaints on ISG about lack of air conditioning. I suspect the prevalence of such complaints is much lower amongst the mostly European clientele, therefore I don't think there will be any change any time soon. Majority of the European guests didn't grow up with AC like the Americans, so they can't miss what they never really had. Also most Europeans go on regular holiday to a seaside location during this time of the year, so fewer men in the club, to endure this suffering and to vocalize it to management.

Those Europeans that are still attending the clubs are probably rooming less. They pay entry to lounge in the outside areas all day and work on their tan. Temperatures are of course bearable outside in the shade if not engaging in physical activity. Their perspective: "I live close enough to come every weekend if I want, but Germany only has so many days each year with this marvelous weather. No need to really be too concerned about fucking WGs today". Unlike the tourist who paid 1000 EUR for his airfare, the local does not feel the urgency to log five sessions per day. One session at night after temperatures cool down is just fine. Zero sessions is also just fine.

World-wide, the use of air conditioning is mostly an American phenomenon. China and Japan apparently has spiked, but their usage is more recent. Europe may start to catch on with the record breaking heat wave this year. Other parts of the world which are actually much hotter and more humid, don't have the wealth yet to develop the appetite for AC.

[RoyPunter]

Hello fellow mongers,

I just had 2 great days at sharks (Saturday) and Oase (Sunday) reports will follow.

Any idea how the LU is in them on Mondays?

I am planning to either take a break tomorrow from 4 continuous days of sex or revisit Sharks or Oase on Monday.

Any advice will be very useful.

Thanks.

[Pistons]

I totally agree. It used to be 100 German Mark when the FKK scene started, which later was adapted to 50. Due to inflation over time and also the raising cost of living in Romania, it probably needed to be adjusted to 100 by now. I am also actually earning at least 5 times more compared to 1999.

Well, taking 2007 as a basis point (the year Romania was let into EU), the CPI in Romania has gone up by nearly 50%. So 70 e would be a sensible new pricing target. Increased competition is the drag though. So I wouldn't push it much above. 80 and they could loose too many local customers. But 75 could be justified due to the CPI increases. Then again, it isn't normal to use CPI's for foreign countries, but given the volume of Romanians, it makes some sense. The Romanian leu has also weakened compared to the euro by a lot compared to the euro.

For Germany the CPI has gone up by just 15%.

So given that, a more correct price would be anywhere between 60 and 70 euro, given 50 euro as a basis in 2007.

[ExpatLover]

Certain men are too comfortable in some clubs, hanging around with their friends and opening as many beers as possible, drinking them is optional. Entry, food and drinks all for the same cost as a round of golf, a good excuse to give their wives, if the don't session). Many of these men would be bounced for poor behavior from even the most tolerant bars or pubs in the city.

What are you speaking about, for example in World you can spend your full day just drinking free beer and what is the problem, I just session top models if any I don t go to the room.

[BigBuddy69]

The inflation has been very low in Europe especially if you don't count the energy and food costs. Maybe you earn 5 times more but that's not the case for everyone. If they raised the 30 minutes costs from 50 to 100, a lot of the clubs would close and more than half of the girls would be back to work in some Bucharest Macdonald. Since one year, there are less and mess men in the clubs, raising the prices wouldn't make them come back.

[Toto001]

The 50 e is thus not just a communistic social pricing scheme for the customers, but it also works like that for the girls as it employs more girls the lower the cost. Until service / looks gets so low on the girls offering it that nobody wants to pay it any longer. Now the question we are discussing in here ad nauseum for the past year or two, could be summed up into being weather or not this current cut of 50 e lowers the line below that threshold or not. And therefore actually shrinking the total pie, instead of increasing it. My personal opinion is that it has in most of the clubs. Only a few clubs are able to still keep the threshold above water, but even there, some / most girls are not happy, and upselling has then increased. Ruining the entire system from within.

I totally agree. It used to be 100 German Mark when the FKK scene started, which later was adapted to 50. Due to inflation over time and also the raising cost of living in Romania, it probably needed to be adjusted to 100 by now. I am also actually earning at least 5 times more compared to 1999.

[Pistons]

BUT I also had a nice convo with a gorgeous honest-to-fuck medical student from Italy,

These are the best! Did she perform any nursing duties on you? Or the full medical checkup? I love it when they come to the clubs in order to get field experience in trying out some Sexy Tentingo Dances (STD's).

[Chongmal]

Ya kebdy 3 aleyk, Sir Ioja! I hear the German guys are showing up at LR but just not fucking anyone. Now why would that be, I wonder. As usual it's got to be the guys' fault and nothing at all to do with the attitude of the girls. Maybe the FKKs should issue a Joint Proclamation via their online astro-trolls, something along the lines of, "Being that the Sex Drive of the Human Male is notoriously low, we hereby deny all Culpability and declare a Strike until such time as traitorous Nature shall have heard our Distress Call and corrected her Deficiency".

*Sigh* I'm sure they would say they are just doing their job.

Anyway today I had a great session with my ro-reg, and it was certainly more RO-mantic than RO-botic, so anybody who calls me the Unromanian is piping it out their ass. BUT I also had a nice convo with a gorgeous honest-to-fuck medical student from Italy, and met a born-and-bred Strasbourg beauty. My point is this could not have happened in a German FKK these days, where diversity is less cherished and remembered than a used gummi.

Certain men are too comfortable in some clubs, hanging around with their friends and opening as many beers as possible, drinking them is optional. Entry, food and drinks all for the same cost as a round of golf, a good excuse to give their wives, if the don't session). Many of these men would be bounced for poor behavior from even the most tolerant bars or pubs in the city.