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[Optimist]

The Jnpr30, RN, and NNC chat on overpaying set me thinking.

In recent years the tendency of most experienced members on this forum has been to reduce the amount of girl and club information they give. This has resulted I am guessing from the way that so many such members have reported in detail and then found either their favourite girl or club being overwhelmed by inexperienced new visitors who swamp the place or girl, and in some cases, try to buy the loyalty of girls by overpaying. Reporting in detail can seem to have only negative consequences for experienced members.

Very sad for the forum but completely understandable.

And just as background: I do report. And I in no way even hint at criticism of those who don't. I guess my sadness is around those who overpay for selfish reasons, with little regard for local custom and habit.

[Member #4636]

Likes.

1. There is a huge difference in service from the girls. If you are lucky you can have 3-4 amazing sessions in just one visit but you can also have very disappointing sessions.

2. The view of the girls walking around naked. Especially when they bent over to speak to a customer and you see the view from behind!

3. The coffee is perfect. I like it everywhere I have been.

4. Outside areas is fun sometimes.

5. The rooms especially when they have air co and couches.

Dislikes.

1. in most clubs the entry fee has to be paid in cash and they don'why give you a receipt if you don't ask for. Which makes me think of possible tax evasion?

2. The food is under average.

3. I hate it when you enter the room and the girl jumps on the bed and starts opening her small bag to get all that shit and liquids to be prepared.

4. Jel on pussies just before fucking. It also destroys the feeling of licking.

5. Most girls want to charge extra BBBJ.

6. There are some girls which are often stunning that reject you when you approach them. I don't know why they have this diva look, at the end of the day they are there to be fucked only.

Feel free to continue!

[Member #4581]

Going by the amounts he was dispensing through his handler Cohen, it is clear that Donnie boy was single handedly responsible for overpaying and raising prices all over the place.

Typical American toursit. And he is not even Asian; has German DNA. Go figure. I thought thrift was in their genes. LOL

[UltraHappy]

Careful. The President is a known contributor of content to this site!

Ah, I was wondering who was behind that handle that was producing all of that incoherent ranting. Finally an explanation!

It all makes sense now!

[Stykler]

Sorry to inform you: But you are now banned from White House Press Briefings, because of your obvious reference to the President in your statement quoted above.

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[NNC1701]

After spending some time in FKKs recently I don't think this could ever work in the USA. Germany is a very civilized society. You would figure a lot of douchebags in America would ruin a good thing very quickly.

Considering the tipping and bragging culture, it would quickly become prohibitively expensive for the general public, because fat spoiled rich lovesick brats would try to outbid each other in paying more than the going rate in order to demonstrate how rich they are.

[Polyamorist]

Any attempt to challenge a prostitution law on the basis of the law's interference with one's Constitutional right to the "pursuit of happiness" will only get one laughed at in court. Sorry.

Na-uzo-billah! You may be right, but it shows how far the country has slid from its founding principles.

Take the admirable Benjamin Franklin. At only 18 he was sick enough of Ye-Olde-Sex-Prison-USA to make the arduous trip to Europe. From his teens to his seventies he cavorted in the RLDs of Paris and London. The brothels of those days were more like FKKs than brothels as we know them, because you could hang out and mingle a lot. An avid blogger, Ben Franklin would be 100% behind Phallus's idea to have an American FKK were he alive today. Though in practise, like me he would probably continue to favour sophisticated European beauties over Louisiana skanks.

"God grant, that not only the Love of Liberty, but a thorough Knowledge of the Rights of Man, may pervade all the Nations of the Earth, so that a Philosopher may set his Foot anywhere on its Surface, and say, 'This is my Country. '.

Thomas Jefferson was less interested in what the envious call "sex tourism". For the most part he preferred to stay in Virginia and contented himself with fucking the brains out of his slavegirl Sally -- every day, alles ohne, for about 20 years.

But both of them were so committed to this principle of the "Pursuit of Happiness" that they made sure it got into the Declaration of Independence, not as a footnote but right up there in the first few lines.

[Ortos]

Mainly rich / drunk / entitled guys and frat boys.

Sorry to inform you: But you are now banned from White House Press Briefings, because of your obvious reference to the President in your statement quoted above.

Have a nice day.

[ExpatLover]

After spending some time in FKKs recently I don't think this could ever work in the USA. Germany is a very civilized society. You would figure a lot of douchebags in America would ruin a good thing very quickly.

Obviously this can only work with educated and civilized guys, unfortunately a long way to go for numerous US guys but not only it is also true for the guys who are not eating pork.

[Member #4722]

Like some religious zealots?

Mainly rich / drunk / entitled guys and frat boys.

[Lefeu]

After spending some time in FKKs recently I don't think this could ever work in the USA. Germany is a very civilized society. You would figure a lot of douchebags in America would ruin a good thing very quickly.

Like some religious zealots?

[Member #4722]

After spending some time in FKKs recently I don't think this could ever work in the USA. Germany is a very civilized society. You would figure a lot of douchebags in America would ruin a good thing very quickly.

[Mongerer88]

My understanding is that FOSTA is being challenged Constitutionally, but that takes a while. One problem is that several groups shut things down because of it, including symposiums that were merely discussing sex work and providing resources to the hundreds of thousands of sex workers, but the government may argue that the cases should continue because FOSTA was never applicable to them. This is a trend in lawmaking, including Canada's version of the Nordic Model. Pass a ridiculously broad law and then never enforce it. Difficult for a court to hear a challenge to a law if a clearly damaged (arrested) party doesn't exist. But the mere existence of the unenforceable law with draconian penalties intimidates many from possibly running afoul of it. It is Orwellian.

There actually was a short-held belief that a Pursuit of Happiness argument would legalize prostitution throughout the country after a decision, I think it was the Martin case, held that two guys had the right to commit sodomy upon each other. A policemen went to arrest one of them on another charge, encountered homosexual sodomy, and also cited them for that. The Court held that they had a Constitutional right to sodomize each other.

There was a ton of writing that this principle would apply to consensual adult prostitution, but the argument went down in flames. The government has an enormous right to regulate commerce, and prostitution is commerce. You really can't sell what you can give away for free if the government says so, because the selling is commerce. The other argument presented is that significant trafficking exists in prostitution, so it is different than private sodomy. Most of us think that is a myth, but it may have swayed the courts more than we realize. There is also more of a public aspect to prostitution since it is often advertised and it has been argued that makes it different than private sodomy.

After these arguments were rejected following the sodomy case, the court outlook in the US seems pretty grim. As others have mentioned, state legislatures are free to regulate prostitution by legalizing it, but those efforts have failed.

As I have mentioned several times, the police largely leave a large section of the industry alone, and that is the section of the market where most of the transactions occur. But it is the farthest away from an organized FKK style system you can get. It involves two people contacting each other and privately making an arrangement. The German FKK system involves a tremendous number of people being involved long before a condomed penis goes in a vagina, and that just doesn't seem to be the current trend elsewhere in the world, especially the USA.

[UltraHappy]

I meant to ask literally about that phrase, "the Pursuit of Happiness". How many cases have been brought before the US Supreme Court defending it?

I see that the Pursuit of Happiness is only priority number 3 in the Constitution, but that's still not bad. For example, it's not "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Cash. "

If you go to the link I provided and type in the phrase "in the pursuit of happiness," in quotes, you will see that there are 95 US Supreme Court cases that mention the "pursuit of happiness. " This will provide some nice leisurely reading for you the next time you are on the beach.

Challenging a law on the basis that the law interferes with one's "pursuit of happiness" is in general not successful as the burden that a government must show to be able to regulate within those areas within its jurisdiction is very low.

States regulate prostitution on the basis of their "police power" and the Federal government regulates prostitution on the basis of its "Commerce Clause" power (that is, trafficking women across state lines for the purpose of prostitution). The Federal Government right to regulate prostitution that occurs across state lines derives from the Commerce Clause, which is one of the enumerated powers delegated to the Federal government in the US Constitution. The Eleventh Amendment states that all powers not delegated to the Federal Government remain with the States, hence the right of the States to regulate within their "police powers. ".

Any attempt to challenge a prostitution law on the basis of the law's interference with one's Constitutional right to the "pursuit of happiness" will only get one laughed at in court. Sorry.

[Polyamorist]

There are quite a lot of US Supreme Court opinions dealing with prostitution in some fashion.

Shukram (thanks) Sayyid Happy, but my question didn't mention prostitution. I meant to ask literally about that phrase, "the Pursuit of Happiness". How many cases have been brought before the US Supreme Court defending it?

If the answer is zero, in modern legal practice is this now classed as a partially alienable right, a fully alienable right, or what?

I see that the Pursuit of Happiness is only priority number 3 in the Constitution, but that's still not bad. For example, it's not "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Cash. " That would suggest that stuffing tight 19-year old Romanian pussy is a bigger right even than investing in stocks and bonds. Which leaves me baffled as to how FOSTA got out the door without a constitutional challenge.