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[Bfsie]

... to the extent that prostitution is not legal at the national level but is legal in a specific state like NV, it is clear that our justice system has taken the stance this is a state matter, and that precedent has been set. Courts, especially the conservative high court we currently have as UH said don't like to legislate but interpret and rule on established law, and unless the law is changed at the national level, we are not likely to have nationwide legal prostitution through courts alone.

As for state legislatures OK'ing prostitution NV is a special case. Smaller state, somewhat libertarian mindset of the population, etc. I think it is only possible in similar such states. Something in the West, sparsely populated where the people have more libertarian view points. East of Mississippi this is almost impossible in my view. Perhaps Montana, or Wyoming or some other state like that? I don't know how it will be any different or better than what we already have in NV at the moment. So, I come back to the view that US is unlikely to see development of FKK style systems for at least dozens of years. May be with an entirely different generations of people in future?

I agree with you.

[Mongerer88]

Even in Nevada, prostitution is only legal in a limited county. For example, even though WGs are plentiful in Vegas or Reno, don't get caught soliciting. As for the possibility of Montana or Wyoming, I think that you are off base as these areas are still quite red, even given the heavy migration from crowded states like California. I think I will settle down in Washington or Oregon and start the campaign. It has to be in a poor county outside the major city economic sphere and run the campaign at the county level instead of state or national. Then if it passes I will start a club using the German model.

I believe you will go quite bankrupt.

For guys who like the comfort of legality, they can get to Germany or similar foreign place as easily as some place in rural Montana or Wyoming.

Most USA Mongers have been finding the online webpage of an independent escort, giving her screening information, and booking a session with her for years. Phallus's description of how to be sure she isn't the police was overboard. The police don't send undercover cops into the room's of johns, and they don't set up a webpage of a fake escort and run it for years, and they definitely don't (and can't) use an existing escort and deputize her to go do a regular session and arrest the guy afterward. What is shown on be movies isn't realistic. Stings involving guys involve new, fake, low-price ads, with lots of obvious solicitation, no screening, and the arrest made after he walks into a room full of cops after committing solicitation on the phone and via text / email. They have no trouble finding guys who fall for it, though.

These ladies make a lot of money because their rates are high, and they ain't going to Montana or Wyoming. To get the guys who have been refusing to participate in the high-priced, screening-heavy illegal system and instead traveling to Europe, Canada, Tijuana, various places in South America, etc. , you have to give him low-prices and similar service to hit the back roads to Wyoming. Your new local law is going to likely have a lot of restrictions on what they can offer, including mandatory CBJs that no one is going to feel confident will be ignored. The American independent prostitutes aren't going to head out west in covered wagons to work at your new place for less than they make now, so good luck getting the federal government and even that local county to let you bring in ladies from Venezuela and Cuba and other places south of the border to work. Now a thinking man would recognize that distributing the wealth back to those poor countries is a good idea, but that has not been the way of thinking in the USA For a long time, if ever. And if "legality" occurred in this USA County due to terrible future economic conditions, as some have suggested, that anti-immigrant sentiment would be even stronger.

Sorry. It is just not going to work. If you like the legal German FKK system, go there. It hasn't been successfully replicated in countries a lot more welcoming to prostitution than the USA In fairness, you would have to admit that having a lot of primarily immigrant women walk around naked and work for relatively low wages (by western world standards) and live at the facility isn't exactly a public relations bonanza. If the many countries that largely decriminalize prostitution, including the United Kingdom and much of Western Europe and some of Latin America, will not accept this model, there is no way a country with full criminalization will take that kind of leap.

[Member #4581]

Even in Nevada, prostitution is only legal in a limited county. For example, even though WGs are plentiful in Vegas or Reno, don't get caught soliciting. As for the possibility of Montana or Wyoming, I think that you are off base as these areas are still quite red, even given the heavy migration from crowded states like California. I think I will settle down in Washington or Oregon and start the campaign. It has to be in a poor county outside the major city economic sphere and run the campaign at the county level instead of state or national. Then if it passes I will start a club using the German model.

No one is off base as your guess is as good or as bad as mine. At this point, it is all guesswork since it is illegal in all states except NV which is not exactly deep blue either. And Dems win heavily in Clark county NV where prostitution is illegal but GOP wins by huge margins in all the rural thinly populated counties of NV which is where brothels are located.

It is not about being red or blue but being libertarian. The mountain and plains northwestern states tend to be libertarian. "Your business is yours, mine is mine".

The redness of those states in the West is quite a different hue of red from the Bible thumping red states of SC or Bama. Also, those states are sparsely populated, and it is easier to get a movement started and petitions signed. Will not happen in big (blue or red) states which are full of families, white collar suburbanites, and easily offended folks of all stripes.

[Mr Ho]

I believe the interest groups and social workers were the ones in DE and NL that triggered legislative action. This ultimately led to the legalization of prostitution. Their motivation was to improve the working conditions of WGs. Stop pimping. Stop trafficking. They considered it a human rights issue. Just as is the case whenever a marginalized group is exploited.

In return or as a result it benefited us mongers as well state.

[BaltiX]

We have a better chance of seeing the OWO ban overturned in DE or repeal of Swedish model that bans sex purchase than see the US legalize prostitution in next few decades, but anything possible. Keep in mind that prostitution has been illegal in USA for well over a century outside of Nevada.

[Mr Ho]

BBBJ technique among other sexual technique of top FKK girls are divine level that most normal girls who has not such many dicks as FKK girls cannot provide actually.

Sometimes, in one hour session girl actually suck my dick for almost 40 minutes non stop and I wonder. How their jaws can cope with such a physical activity and I am not the only client for her of that day. It is amazing what human body can adjust to environment, I cannot suck pussy for 40 min.

[Chongmal]

I am not a lawyer and don't have an opinion on whether sate courts tend to side with state legislatures / whether it is easier to get a favorable verdict in state courts vs federal courts. But to the extent that prostitution is not legal at the national level but is legal in a specific state like NV, it is clear that our justice system has taken the stance this is a state matter, and that precedent has been set. Courts, especially the conservative high court we currently have as UH said don't like to legislate but interpret and rule on established law, and unless the law is changed at the national level, we are not likely to have nationwide legal prostitution through courts alone.

As for state legislatures OK'ing prostitution NV is a special case. Smaller state, somewhat libertarian mindset of the population, etc. I think it is only possible in similar such states. Something in the West, sparsely populated where the people have more libertarian view points. East of Mississippi this is almost impossible in my view. Perhaps Montana, or Wyoming or some other state like that? I don't know how it will be any different or better than what we already have in NV at the moment. So, I come back to the view that US is unlikely to see development of FKK style systems for at least dozens of years. May be with an entirely different generations of people in future?

Even in Nevada, prostitution is only legal in a limited county. For example, even though WGs are plentiful in Vegas or Reno, don't get caught soliciting. As for the possibility of Montana or Wyoming, I think that you are off base as these areas are still quite red, even given the heavy migration from crowded states like California. I think I will settle down in Washington or Oregon and start the campaign. It has to be in a poor county outside the major city economic sphere and run the campaign at the county level instead of state or national. Then if it passes I will start a club using the German model.

[Member #4581]

UltraHappy,

I didn't mean that sex workers have any reasonable chance in Federal court system. I actually think that they have almost zero chance in both state and federal count systems because this kind of matter usually is legislation matter and the courts don't want to involve in it. What I meant was that, if we really want to pick the court systems as a way to legalize prostitution, Federal court system is better option to do it than state court, which I still believe.

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

I am not a lawyer and don't have an opinion on whether sate courts tend to side with state legislatures / whether it is easier to get a favorable verdict in state courts vs federal courts. But to the extent that prostitution is not legal at the national level but is legal in a specific state like NV, it is clear that our justice system has taken the stance this is a state matter, and that precedent has been set. Courts, especially the conservative high court we currently have as UH said don't like to legislate but interpret and rule on established law, and unless the law is changed at the national level, we are not likely to have nationwide legal prostitution through courts alone.

As for state legislatures OK'ing prostitution — NV is a special case. Smaller state, somewhat libertarian mindset of the population, etc. I think it is only possible in similar such states. Something in the West, sparsely populated where the people have more libertarian view points. East of Mississippi this is almost impossible in my view. Perhaps Montana, or Wyoming or some other state like that? I don't know how it will be any different or better than what we already have in NV at the moment. So, I come back to the view that US is unlikely to see development of FKK style systems for at least dozens of years. May be with an entirely different generations of people in future?

[UltraHappy]

Salaam all, just wondered if there are any US Constitutional Scholars among us, and if so:

How many cases have been brought before the Supreme Court defending man's inalienable right to the "Pursuit of Happiness"?

Or is the constitution just a piece of dead paper anyway.

Which Supreme Court? The Supreme Court of the United States?

There are quite a lot of US Supreme Court opinions dealing with prostitution in some fashion. To read all their opinions, just go to https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court and type in the keywords you want to search like, "prostitution. " This will reveal all their opinions.

But, warning, most of them make for quite boring reading and many deal with esoteric legal issues.

None of them unfortunately contain what you are looking for, that is, no shreds of hope. Sorry.

[Polyamorist]

Salaam all, just wondered if there are any US Constitutional Scholars among us, and if so:

How many cases have been brought before the Supreme Court defending man's inalienable right to the "Pursuit of Happiness"?

Or is the constitution just a piece of dead paper anyway.

[UltraHappy]

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

You, sir, are a brilliant man!

[Bfsie]

UltraHappy,

I didn't mean that sex workers have any reasonable chance in Federal court system. I actually think that they have almost zero chance in both state and federal count systems because this kind of matter usually is legislation matter and the courts don't want to involve in it. What I meant was that, if we really want to pick the court systems as a way to legalize prostitution, Federal court system is better option to do it than state court, which I still believe.

As I wrote in my initial post on this topic, I think that legalizing prostitution through state legislation is the best option to achieve legalization of prostitution in the US. This requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers, which I encouraged the posters and readers to do.

[Bfsie]

I believe the interest groups and social workers were the ones in DE and NL that triggered legislative action. This ultimately led to the legalization of prostitution. Their motivation was to improve the working conditions of WGs. Stop pimping. Stop trafficking. They considered it a human rights issue. Just as is the case whenever a marginalized group is exploited.

I agree with you.

[McAdonis]

Our best hope is for state legislative action, triggered by female sex worker interest groups. But, I am personally skeptical of that happening any time soon in the current US political / cultural climate.

Then again, if thousands and thousands of female sex workers come out tomorrow and start campaigning for the rights of female sex workers, I will be quite pleased to be wrong.

I believe the interest groups and social workers were the ones in DE and NL that triggered legislative action. This ultimately led to the legalization of prostitution. Their motivation was to improve the working conditions of WGs. Stop pimping. Stop trafficking. They considered it a human rights issue. Just as is the case whenever a marginalized group is exploited.

[Ortos]

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

They've turned to the Dark Side, I tell you.