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[Ortos]

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

They've turned to the Dark Side, I tell you.

[ShooBree]

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

The most recent Federal court case on this subject was decided earlier this year: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor.../16-15927.pdf..

The Ninth Circuit, which is the most liberal Federal circuit in the US, decided that there is no protectable right to associated commercial sex (but rather only personal sex relationships absent commercial transactions). With this recent decision by the most liberal Federal circuit in the US behind us now, I hate to break it to you, the chance of any Federal circuit court deciding otherwise is next to nil in our lifetimes.

Continuing to vote Blue this November and each and every election will help matters, but this is a long process that will have to occur over time. Remember that federal judges are appointed for life. The damage inflicted by the Red voters will persist for years and years, at least in the Federal court system.

I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but I am highly skeptical that any Federal court will offer us relief in the area of decriminalization any time in the next 30-40 years.

Voting blue won't help as the feminist democrats will never allow prostitution to be legalized.

Of all presidents Trump is the one most likely to be pro-prostitution.

[UltraHappy]

The only way that the US sex workers can do to decriminalize prostitution successfully through the court system is to fight through US Federal court system on the ground of human right.

The US Federal court system has become overwhelmingly conservative due to appointments by Republican presidents (and by the Republicans blocking Democratic appointments during the previous Democratic presidencies when the Republicans retained control of the Senate).

The most recent Federal court case on this subject was decided earlier this year: http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor.../16-15927.pdf..

The Ninth Circuit, which is the most liberal Federal circuit in the US, decided that there is no protectable right to associated commercial sex (but rather only personal sex relationships absent commercial transactions). With this recent decision by the most liberal Federal circuit in the US behind us now, I hate to break it to you, the chance of any Federal circuit court deciding otherwise is next to nil in our lifetimes.

Continuing to vote Blue this November and each and every election will help matters, but this is a long process that will have to occur over time. Remember that federal judges are appointed for life. The damage inflicted by the Red voters will persist for years and years, at least in the Federal court system.

I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but I am highly skeptical that any Federal court will offer us relief in the area of decriminalization any time in the next 30-40 years.

Our best hope is for state legislative action, triggered by female sex worker interest groups. But, I am personally skeptical of that happening any time soon in the current US political / cultural climate.

Then again, if thousands and thousands of female sex workers come out tomorrow and start campaigning for the rights of female sex workers, I will be quite pleased to be wrong. I recognize that I am just playing my own personal game of crystal ball.

[Bfsie]

I don't know about the US.. In my country there was a few years ago a proposal seriously considered to introduce the Nordic model. The parliamentarians considering it received an unexpected amount of correspondence objecting, on the grounds that it would lead to increased exploitation of women. The opponents won the day and ensured that the Nordic model in my country was stopped, at least temporarily.

Politicians listen to campaigners if they are vocal and numerous enough, and have a good case.

And yes, I did write. Several times

I completely agree with you. Politicians listen to campaigners and the people they represent. In the US, I think that the state legislation for legalization of prostitution remains to be a viable option, which requires the residents of the state to make their voices heard by their lawmakers.

I think that the state court almost always sides with the state for these kinds of cases initiated by a handful of people (sex workers in this case) because these people don't represent the residents and the interests of the state. The only way that the US sex workers can do to decriminalize prostitution successfully through the court system is to fight through US Federal court system on the ground of human right.

[Optimist]

I totally agree. I don't see any trend towards legalization of prostitution at all. Can anyone name one US congressman / woman or US senator, including from state of Nevada, who is openly pro-legalization of prostitution? That tells us something. I would suggest that the posters, who spent some time to write paragraph after paragraph on this subject on this forum, spend some time to write to their lawmakers for their districts and write here to encourage the US readers to write to their lawmakers on this subject. That would be much more productive for legalization of prostitution in the US.

I don't know about the US.. In my country there was a few years ago a proposal seriously considered to introduce the Nordic model. The parliamentarians considering it received an unexpected amount of correspondence objecting, on the grounds that it would lead to increased exploitation of women. The opponents won the day and ensured that the Nordic model in my country was stopped, at least temporarily.

Politicians listen to campaigners if they are vocal and numerous enough, and have a good case.

And yes, I did write. Several times

[Neurosynth]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

This is a matter of some controversy. My feeling is that the most useful posts are those that provide the most detailed information. I think that many have an inflated impression as to how much impact posts here make on the overall situation. There are anecdotal reports here or there, but what goes unmentioned are the more than compensating positive aspects of detailed reporting.

Because the anti-BB laws are essentially unenforceable, the laws can only work if men develop irrational fears. I say irrational because, again, the laws are unenforceable behind closed doors.

Beyond this, open reporting of available (or not) services creates a fairer market, and increases the probability of finding such services due to competition.

But I've seen no sign of board rules suggesting BB services not be reported on. In fact board management here has occasionally chastised posters who tell guys that this or that should not be reported on. The operators here don't want posters to suggest not posting. Ironically that rule, the only one related to the German law at all, is flagrantly ignored with regularity.

[XXL]

The only hope for legalization in the States would have to come from groups of female sex workers advocating for decriminalization.

Anything from men on this topic would fall on deaf ears in our political system.

Unfortunately, we don't have sufficient numbers of female sex workers Stateside who are willing to advocate for their rights as some groups have done in Europe.

As has been hinted here in some posts already, women can sell sex at a higher price in a prohibition setting.

If 10 sex-workers become jobless because of a crackdown, 10 thousand others benefit from it. Don't expect American sugar babies to demonstrate in favour of the 50-euro half-hour full-service. The handfull of demonstrating sex-workers in Europe were a side-show.

[UltraHappy]

The only hope for legalization in the States would have to come from groups of female sex workers advocating for decriminalization.

Anything from men on this topic would fall on deaf ears in our political system.

Unfortunately, we don't have sufficient numbers of female sex workers Stateside who are willing to advocate for their rights as some groups have done in Europe.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Mongerer88 may have a point: P4 P is available in USA, but will cost a few thousand screening out duds and LE until a group of regular safe providers are found. Discuss nothing on the phone, except "come over and keep me company while I cook dinner" (or study the bible or whatever) then take time for 30 minutes sussing her out or so, and finally ask the chick to touch you before money is discussed, all the things that women cops have no patience for and will not do. Just say any money is for helping make dinner, maybe toss the salad (and actually have some real salad to toss if it is a pig for first dates). Problem is you cannot easily do this from a hotel. Sure it will be end up being a $1 k a month hobby when it is all said and done, but cheaper than a wife and compares pretty well to airfares, ground transport, hotels (let's say $US1700 for a week) FKK entry (EUR75 = US87.73) and the girls themselves at say EUR100 an hour (US116.97 as of a few moments ago). And about 26 hours of transit time. Flagfall is at least US2050 before the per girl cost, assuming 4 FKK entries in 7 days.

That's US 293 a day flagfall. Add three sessions and we get US351 a day to the girls. This is a new area to me, but getting say 6 regulars is not that much more expensive, and cost levels over time. The downside is not having 50 beautiful naked women to look at over a beer. What a conundrum. Definitely a first world problem.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Was an interesting thought experiment. I think there are plenty of women who get crap pay (or are unemployed) and would be willing as the already harsh economy tightens and structural unemployment becomes the norm. No need to import. However, the political system is just not ready. But in 2040 when things are really bad, and today's gen why's are in power, that may change. Recall that the USA has no real income safety net compared to other countries.

Now importantly, my last trip to Austria in April this year saw an expert BBJCIM by a hot blonde leggy Moldavian as she looked me in the eyes and fondled my balls simultaneously. Her tonsils were well massaged and rinsed, and had my salad tossed big time and wandered back into the lounge with a Cheshire cat grin and stars in my eyes. This reminds me of Bangkok and my tradition of a BBJCIM on waking up, then coffee and breakfast. The highlight is a limo service I always use to head to the airport and an great send off en route. I just slide the driver 1500 baht to ignore what happens in the back. Indeed, this practice is something I am yet to get on a commercial flight, probably an overnight flight when the lights are out and elsewhere. I would say 10% of the limos for the rich in Manhattan have such entertainment on tap. Lucky bastards. Would make the Holland tunnel a breeze.

Fortunately, the FKKs have law and lore. BBJCIM has never been an issue IMHE. One might say the new law is, ahem, lip service only :-)

[Bfsie]

I don't see such a trend, at least not as far as men are concerned. I see all kinds of "nordic models" gaining ground everywhere. Engaging a stranger female for sex in exchange for some money is becoming the most consistently repressed activity the world over after drugs. Sad.

I totally agree. I don't see any trend towards legalization of prostitution at all. Can anyone name one US congressman / woman or US senator, including from state of Nevada, who is openly pro-legalization of prostitution? That tells us something. I would suggest that the posters, who spent some time to write paragraph after paragraph on this subject on this forum, spend some time to write to their lawmakers for their districts and write here to encourage the US readers to write to their lawmakers on this subject. That would be much more productive for legalization of prostitution in the US.

[BaltiX]

I forget to mention that NGO groups like Amnesty and even politicians support legalizing prostitution.

[BaltiX]

I might be naive, but I don't see any other country adapting the Nordic model given the growing backlash and awareness of this law plus lack of political apathy as there are more important issues out there.

[Mr Ho]

I think readers know, or should know, that it is always YMMV. As such, any member writing a report should not have to fudge or hide aspects of his session because the FKK girl might not provide the same quality service to all mongers. In my view, members should write reports honestly and in compliance with forum rules and leave it there. That's what I try to do.

That said, no one else has any right to tell any member what or how to write. If a member doesn't like what or how someone else wrote a report, tough luck he should write his own report if it bothers him so much. One can always debate what someone else wrote, but no one has any right to tell someone else "write a different way", or "stop writing in this manner".

Well this is the problem of this forum, they like to go hysteric on many issues.

[Member #4581]

I would like to add, regardless of what a lady does for one customer, it is always subjective, and MMV. I know many ladies who vary service based on looks, smell, attitude, etc. In my posts I frequently state, this lady does / does not perform all extras when referring to illegal services and anal. I hate to comment on DFK unless they don't for me because this is the single service with the most variance from my experiences.

I think readers know, or should know, that it is always YMMV. As such, any member writing a report should not have to fudge or hide aspects of his session because the FKK girl might not provide the same quality service to all mongers. In my view, members should write reports honestly and in compliance with forum rules and leave it there. That's what I try to do.

That said, no one else has any right to tell any member what or how to write. If a member doesn't like what or how someone else wrote a report, tough luck — he should write his own report if it bothers him so much. One can always debate what someone else wrote, but no one has any right to tell someone else "write a different way", or "stop writing in this manner".