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[Mongerer88]

I don't see such a trend, at least not as far as men are concerned. I see all kinds of "nordic models" gaining ground everywhere. Engaging a stranger female for sex in exchange for some money is becoming the most consistently repressed activity the world over after drugs. Sad.

Whoops, sorry I meant criminalization.

Or at least half criminalization with the Nordic Model in Canada and Ireland.

Sorry. Made the sentence nonsensical.

[XXL]

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To me the trend worldwide, with the exception of Germany, is toward more decriminalization (although the theoretical BBBJ ban isn't exactly a positive development.

I don't see such a trend, at least not as far as men are concerned. I see all kinds of "nordic models" gaining ground everywhere. Engaging a stranger female for sex in exchange for some money is becoming the most consistently repressed activity the world over after drugs. Sad.

[Member #4722]

Thanks guys I did write my reports but I was very vague and did not mention any acts in codes. I last visited FKKs last summer right after the new law and I am happy to say things are back to normal I did not have one issue getting what I wanted even in 30 minute sessions. Also one was right out in the open in the club. I am a BJ aficionado and sometimes I prefer this more than sex and although I don't think the FKKs are perfect, one thing I know is that almost every single girl I have sessioned with gives an expert BJ and that is a big draw for me. Out of about 10 girls I spent time with I would say the lowest level BJ I got was 7 out of 10 so that is pretty fucking great. A shame to ruin that with a condom which basically makes me lose 90 percent interest in even getting a BJ at all.

[Mongerer88]

Just for Germany: There are no mandatory health checks for STD and girls are allowed to leave the work place, go to any other brothel etc.

Good point. When I said that is was in the context of Nevada.

Back a long time ago when they had younger ladies, the legal places in Nevada filled up during the summers and on longer college breaks, since the medical tests made working there a significant time commitment. Not sure if it is still like that.

In my opinion, that is really a bullshit way for the government to make a lady live her life to work in the industry, especially given the virtually zero chance of an STD transmission with condom use.

Most ladies who go to college would obviously much rather take a few escort appointments a week while they live in their own place.

This is one of the many reasons why I think that not only would the US government over-regulate any "legal" brothel, but I simply don't think the brothel lifestyle would appeal to most current US sex workers after having done this via email and cellphone scheduling for so long.

I took Phallus comments to be related to the potential legalization of this activity through allowing brothels to exist. So SmokeLight, sorry if I misunderstood, but I was pretty sure that was his example. Personally, I think the US government is about as likely to allow foreign ladies to enter the US to work in the sex industry for three month stretches after a hypothetical legalization of prostitution as the likelihood that this activity becomes unnecessary because all of the college girls in the US read an essay in feminist studies class about how men from 18-88 really need sex and those college girls decide to fuck all of the guys they know between ages 18-88. Neither is going to happen in my opinion.

To me the trend worldwide, with the exception of Germany, is toward more decriminalization (although the theoretical BBBJ ban isn't exactly a positive development). But technology allows more information sharing and communication between a like-minded prostitute and John, so to me that is the future in the US instead of trying German-style brothels. But granted, Fosta / Sesta dealt a setback, hopefully temporary, to free and open communication.

[Chongmal]

To add to Optimist's considered post below, for those posters who do share information about BBBJ, I would add that most posters withhold specifics in this regard when mentioning specific girls by name.

While the forum rules do not explicitly prohibit posting publicly information that might cause problems with management for a particular girl, why increase the likelihood of bringing problems down on a girl who, in the end, was nice to you? I certainly wouldn't want a girl to think, "Man, I gave this guy superior service, and look what happened to me. Now, I've got management on my case due to people reporting publicly that I'm contributing to illegal behavior. " (I understand that this will depend on club). Regardless of whether a girl would be hassled by her management for such activities, do we really want to increase public reporting of illegal activities which could increase likelihood of pressure for enforcement actions against a club?

In any case, the more refined posters of the forum have found ways to creatively communicate regarding this issue without being so explicit.

In my case, I simply report BJ (without any preceding initials, one way or the other) and my accompanying satisfaction level. Most forum readers are astute enough to draw the appropriate conclusions. Just my personal preference.

I would like to add, regardless of what a lady does for one customer, it is always subjective, and MMV. I know many ladies who vary service based on looks, smell, attitude, etc. In my posts I frequently state, this lady does / does not perform all extras when referring to illegal services and anal. I hate to comment on DFK unless they don't for me because this is the single service with the most variance from my experiences.

[UltraHappy]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

To add to Optimist's considered post below, for those posters who do share information about BBBJ, I would add that most posters withhold specifics in this regard when mentioning specific girls by name.

While the forum rules do not explicitly prohibit posting publicly information that might cause problems with management for a particular girl, why increase the likelihood of bringing problems down on a girl who, in the end, was nice to you? I certainly wouldn't want a girl to think, "Man, I gave this guy superior service, and look what happened to me. Now, I've got management on my case due to people reporting publicly that I'm contributing to illegal behavior. " (I understand that this will depend on club). Regardless of whether a girl would be hassled by her management for such activities, do we really want to increase public reporting of illegal activities which could increase likelihood of pressure for enforcement actions against a club?

In any case, the more refined posters of the forum have found ways to creatively communicate regarding this issue without being so explicit.

In my case, I simply report BJ (without any preceding initials, one way or the other) and my accompanying satisfaction level. Most forum readers are astute enough to draw the appropriate conclusions. Just my personal preference.

[Smoke Light]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

Common approach on many international forums is to report BBBJ simply as BJ in positive manner and drop the BB prefix alltogether. Any law-abiding BJ is reported as CBJ. For example, "Her BJ skills are amazing" vs. "Unfortunately, only CBJ in E50 room with this girl. Everything else is extra".

[Optimist]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

The Admin view is that members can report what they like (apart from paedophilia and trans sex).

Different members here have different views on reporting BBBJ. The debate has been heated. German forums almost all ban mention of BBBJ as internet reporting has in the past led to girls being thrown out of clubs.

I personally do not report on any illegal activity I know of. The clubs' are trying really hard to be SEEN to be doing their best to make sure no illegal activities take place on their premises as they do not want to be seen as "bad" places which need extra attention of tax, planning, licensing, and immigration authorities.I don't want to risk giving even the tiniest ammunition to those who want to restrict FKKs

Other members feel that it is a matter of free speech and that reports on this forum have no impact in the real world. They also argue that not reporting will lead to the service of bbbj becoming unavailable

I think both groups agree that reports on this forum are 100% not leading to any convictions if any man receiving BBBJ.

So, up to you in the end.

[Rogue Nation]

The "legal" prostitutes have significant health checks and are in some counties (based on my understanding) not allowed to leave the places during their work stay unless they go through another set of medical exams.

Just for Germany: There are no mandatory health checks for STD and girls are allowed to leave the work place, go to any other brothel etc.

[Mr Ho]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

Protocol is BBBJ, which stand for bang bang blow job LOL.

[Member #4722]

What is the protocol for reporting BBBJ in FKK forums? I haven't been on this board in awhile but going to post a trip report soon. I assume I can talk about it in general terms here but should be more vague in the club forums as to not attract undue attention to these clubs?

[UltraHappy]

One question -- prices in legal NV are higher than for illegal independents on average. Why do you think that is?

As I understand it, in the counties where it is legal, only a limited number of licenses are granted. So, competition for a house license is quite limited.

It's not legal for an independent girl to offer her services in those counties unless she's working in a licensed establishment. And those licensed establishments take a big "cut" of her fee.

It would be very interesting to see the same experiment played out with prostitution as has played out with marijuana (that is, post-legalization prices). I don't think Nevada is a fair example of true legalization, given its limited scope and artificial scarcity. Now, if it were legalized across the entire state of California or Florida for example, that would be very interesting indeed.

This court case in California could have legalized prostitution in California last year, but unfortunately, the appeals court decided the case incorrectly recently (http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/...e-prostitution).

In January, 2017, the Hawaii legislature was considering a bill to legalize prostitution in Hawaii, but unfortunately, the bill died on its second reading in February, 2017: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...203-story.html.

I would love to see Florida decriminalize prostitution. Heck, anywhere with a hub city airport would work for me!

[Mongerer88]

They are just theories, but the very limited supply of "legal" prostitutes seems to capture a price inelastic demand group.

The "legal" prostitutes have significant health checks and are in some counties (based on my understanding) not allowed to leave the places during their work stay unless they go through another set of medical exams. So the irrational guys who are completely convinced, notwithstanding the clear evidence to the contrary, that they will contract an STD if they get anywhere near a "non-licensed" prostitute are willing to pay an extravagant premium. So the ladies charge that extravagant premium, and those guys are if course very happy to get the legally required CBJ instead of a BBBJ.

Many guys are also completely and irrationally convinced that the police will bust through hotel room doors and arrest them if a female is observed entering their hotel room. They think any email or phone call to an escort is monitored, even though purchasing time and companionship is legal. You really wouldn't believe what some guys think. So they are willing to pay a premium for doing an act that is completely legal. No matter how many times it is pointed out that if she is clearly not a cop because she advertises as an escort and has reviews, and no one knows what happened in the privacy of a hotel room or incall apartment, these guys think the cops will come knocking at the door. They don't study police actions or actual arrests. They read about a backpage sting where the cops took out a fake ad, something completely different than a guy booking an escort who screens, and they get paranoid. So they pay a premium for legality.

Lastly, the legal scene was once actually much better than it is today. It was when a generation of younger ladies became comfortable with internet advertising and emails and cell phones that independent escorts went out on their own instead of working at the legal houses. I know that sounds ridiculous because that first generation of women are now moms and grandmothers, but some of the amounts paid for the licenses to operate these few legal houses were reported to be astronomical. So the owners keep up the pressure for the ladies to charge a lot, even though the competition (independent escorts) charge far less. I know that defies traditional economics, but that happens in a distorted industry. Many of the owners try to justify astronomical prices by publicity stunts like having known porn stars in the line-up.

While all of this may seem pointless, it doesn't bode well for Phallus's proposition that a legal FKK system would work in the USA.

You would need a massive increase in supply from opening a lot of facilities and from allowing women from poorer countries to enter the USA To work. This has to happen to push down the price. The economics just don't work otherwise. And that just ain't going to happen. Guys are free to travel and get what they want somewhere else if they want to, but the USA Will never help "improve" its local market in a way that would benefit johns.

M88 - interesting post, as always from you. One question -- you said prices in legal NV are higher than illegals independents on average. Why do you think that is? With legalization, one would expect price transparency; and perhaps supply increasing at least to some extent because *some* women who are currently afraid of the law would enter work force but so does demand (if it was legal, I would search for options closer to home for sure; net net, perhaps supply demand curves do not shift too much or may bee they will).

One parallel I am thinking of is legalization of marijuana. Some articles suggest prices came down after legalization.

https://grizzle.com/marijuana-prices...rowers-market/

[Smoke Light]

I do not see PahllusMaximus's posts as an instant proposal to change things or delve into deep analysis of P6 economics. Firstly, his essays encourage the need to legalize and decriminalize prostitution and buying sex. Secondly, promote dignity and normality of the prostitute-client business. Perhaps we should not even call them US FKKs. Rather, I would stick with an idea of Adult Day Care, copyright KK.

I am against any and all attempts to portray illegal US sex industry as an "OK" alternative. It may be fine with some mongers, but many of us are sick of constant looking over the shoulder checking for sting ops by cops or weighing in whether the provider is a camouflaged LE officer. Even repeat sex with a good escort cannot compare to a relaxing afternoon at Sharks or World by the pool in a company of friendly, like-minded people.

In Aruba tutes come from Colombia with 3-months work permit, then go home for another 3 months. US could utilize similar system to bring in foreign sex workers and keep affordable prices.

[Member #4581]

M88 - interesting post as always, from you. One question -- you said prices in legal NV are higher than for illegal independents on average. Why do you think that is? With legalization, one would expect price transparency; and perhaps supply increasing at least to some extent because *some* women who are currently afraid of the law would enter work force but so does demand (if it was legal, I would search for options closer to home for sure; net net, perhaps supply demand curves do not shift too much or may bee they will).

One parallel I am thinking of is legalization of marijuana. Some articles suggest prices came down after legalization.

However apparently usage did not increase too much for drugs post legalization.

https://grizzle.com/marijuana-prices...rowers-market/