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[Smoke Light]

Johnny Z,

I am too very interested in ways to keep porn addiction under control while away from FKK dreamland. My latest experience is this. One of my regulars and I developed a special videochat relationship this summer. I've been in contact with her more than a year, but normally texting and videochatting just as friends. Then one time in June shortly after my return from NRW I asked her when was the last time she had an orgasm. She said few nights ago in club. I said tell me. She said it was in public by the pool. I said who fucked you there, baby? One good looking guy from Holland. Where other guys watching you, little sl-t? Yes. And I said, I want to finish right now. She said of course, no problem. Show me you ass and pussy. And masturbate for me. Show me your tongue. And so on.

Since then I cum chatting with her whenever I can instead of porn. She is my angel while I am in sex prison USA. We normally plan our sessions when we both have time, no rush, and when my wife is at work. We both have enjoyable and fun experience. After a month I started giving my girl a reasonable down payment for online sessions ahead of time, although she never asked for it. But, in all fairness, she is a prostitute and I am her client, and she spends significant time, sometimes more than 2 hours chatting with me, letting me pop twice if I want.

This way I do get my much needed release 2-3 times a week. And I go to shower with a big smile on my face. Because I see a nice woman, I look in her lovely eyes, I see her smile. And our reunion is coming in 4 weeks.

No porn dehumanizing its own actors can replace this. Never. Anything human beats porn hands down. My two cents on the subject.

[Vito Corleone]

Good Day.

Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?

Thanks, Cap.

There's many small apartments with 3-8 girls available. No entry but tough w / o a car.

[Akibono]

But the real question is, if every single club did this and not just one club, where do the additional supply lines come from? If one club Oceans gave free entry, they got some recycled girls from other clubs. If all the clubs did this, will the supply increase ten fold, or even double? Totally unlikely. That implies that there are thousands of girls sitting in Romania, all ready to go, but somehow the math didn't work out for them because of the entry fee previously and now it does. That makes zero sense. The decision to prostitute or not is a emotional and instinctive decision for most and no one has any clue how much business she can have before she ever set foot in the club, so she could not do this math to any such precision prior to coming to the club.

You hit the issue perfectly. Another way of looking at this is the amount of dollars we are willing to spend is fixed. Having many more girls or more attractive girls will not change what we spend after we hit a certain limit. FKKs lowered the costs for both the girls and the guys. Hunting around the RLDs is not fun. And it can be dangerous for both the girls and the guys. What the club presents to the girls is security and a reliable group of spending men. What it provides the guys is a comfortable place to eat, drink, and fuck. They are safe, clean and reliable. A win for both. You can't get much better than that.

[Member #4581]

Ocean's offered free entry to WGs when it opened back in 2014. The promotion was supposed to be first month only. But ultimately, I believe they extended it to 2-3 month. All they got were WGs recycled from other NRW club. One Palace WG. And one Oase WG. No semi-pros or locals that I ever saw.

The clubs probably charge the WGs because the free market allows them too. If a WG chose not to pay the club entry, she'd have to rent out a room in the RLD. And the nightly rent on that room would generally exceed the entry she'd pay at an FKK.

A newly started club could give free entry for a short amount of time if they didn't secure their supply routes. It is basically poaching from the other clubs. A few girls might try out this new free scheme because it ostensibly saves a little cash, but if the business in the new club is weak, they quickly find out that they are better off paying the entry fee and making something more in the older, established club.

If the business in the new club grows and normalizes at a level similar to the established clubs, there is no reason for that club to give free entry to the girls. Men are already coming because the club is good now, and girls will come because there is business to be done.

If you do the math, a large club with 100 girls per day (that includes day and night shift girls) is gaining rev of ten grand per day, assuming 100 average ticket, and works to €3. 65 M per year. If they give free admission to the girls, they are immediately in the hole by that much amount and their costs are the same as before and they need to do that much more business from men just to breakeven with prior situation. I don't know how profitablethese clubs are, but €3. 65 M a year (or even €3 mil a year if you give it a shave) is a substantial hole to climb out of.

But the real question is, if every single club did this and not just one club, where do the additional supply lines come from? If one club Oceans gave free entry, they got some recycled girls from other clubs. If all the clubs did this, will the supply increase ten fold, or even double? Totally unlikely. That implies that there are thousands of girls sitting in Romania, all ready to go, but somehow the math didn't work out for them because of the entry fee previously and now it does. That makes zero sense. The decision to prostitute or not is a emotional and instinctive decision for most and no one has any clue how much business she can have before she ever set foot in the club, so she could not do this math to any such precision prior to coming to the club.

[Johnny Z]

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-...ed-ejaculation

For years, I spent at least an hour a day per sitting surfing porn. Constantly searching for the right content. It had to be "perfect" and preferably new. I tried to quit multiple times but had relapses. But after I cleared the 90 day milestone that first time, I never looked back. Now maybe once a month, I will watch some porn and squeeze one out.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and it was also interesting to read the further discussion. Of course I had seen previous comments from you on this topic but I guess I never read one that made the connection with your own problems. You obviously like psychology and make interesting comments on lots of subjects! Not all of which I agree with, at least on first glance, but usually thought provoking.

I've already practiced one side of your solution, with my special friend. When I do get to see her, it's usually on a Tuesday afternoon, one of her days off a full time job. Usually I'd be exercising or doing errands in the morning, so no porn involved. And she always gets me off, she is like my personal fountain of youth. I'm not sure why she likes me so much (I'm 64 and she is 32) but I know part of the reason is that I don't have any weird fetishes but mostly just like to fuck. And she loves to be fucked. She is a true nymphomaniac trying (and mostly failing) to go straight these days, but that's another story fascinating as it is.

One problem is, I've gotten in the habit of revving up to porn before I head to bed for sex with my wife. Since I'm usually tired by the time she decides to stop reading her silly novels (which, I admit, probably is the female equivalent) it's hard to get fired up again if I'm not primed. By coincidence, a couple weeks ago I had tried what you suggest. Hadn't had sex in 5 days so thought I'd just jump in bed and do it. And couldn't keep it going. So I could say the porn helps, but as you say, the long term effect may be deleterious.

By the way, that was another interesting part of the hobby / FKK experience for me, after I stepped out and started doing all this crazy stuff, my sex life at home got a lot better! Stopped trying to get her to try strange things and instead would just do what I know she likes. And guess what, she started to want to do it all the time. Go figure. Since I had an outlet, worked great for me both ways. But now, as I said, the physical part of it is that my stamina is decreasing, but I'd like to keep having that great sex at home with my 62 yo wife. It's just as satisfying in its own way (please, no comment needed from Mr Ho!

Overall, I see the wisdom of quitting porn cold turkey, but I might try to dial it down first to see if that helps. Maybe I'm not hopelessly addicted to porn but have just let it go out of control. Actually, that fits my personality. For example, I used to occasionally drink too much on the weekends but as I got older it was harder to deal with the effects. Since I love food / wine (or beer in some cases) pairings, I changed my habit to 2 glasses of wine at dinner, or 1 beer if that matches the food better. Two glasses of wine a day, part of a healthy diet.

So at my age, I really want to keep having sex every two or three days. Just another key to a healthy lifestyle.

I'll probably post again after a while to report what might be helping.

[McAdonis]

Perhaps the best system is a mix of clubs, some with an entry fee for the girls, some with none. The "free" ones can act as feeder clubs for the more established ones. A guy can choose what club he goes to based on whether he prefers fresh girls with an element of risk, or seasoned pros with established reputations.

Especially when there is a new club (not that I am expecting any new clubs in Germany) that is having trouble getting girls, it should try this experiment of free entry for girls. Inshallah this will attract many semi-pros and locals. If the experiment fails it fails, but it should do so for market reasons, not because of pressure from a cartel or from the State.

Ocean's offered free entry to WGs when it opened back in 2014. The promotion was supposed to be first month only. But ultimately, I believe they extended it to 2-3 month. All they got were WGs recycled from other NRW club. One Palace WG. And one Oase WG. No semi-pros or locals that I ever saw.

The clubs probably charge the WGs because the free market allows them too. If a WG chose not to pay the club entry, she'd have to rent out a room in the RLD. And the nightly rent on that room would generally exceed the entry she'd pay at an FKK.

[McAdonis]

Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-...ed-ejaculation

Lots of links on that site. Guys probably way more addicted to you. Guys who were 12 yo back in 2006. They've never known anything but free streaming porn. Guys who have never been to cum in the presence of a female. But able to easily cum to online porn six times a day. Guys who need to see pixels and sounds to get erections, maintain erections, and climax. With real women, they lose their erection. And with Viagra they just end up fucking these real women forever without climaxing. These young men have way more testosterone and are probably way more hornier than you. And they stopped watching porn!

For years, I spent at least an hour a day per sitting surfing porn. Constantly searching for the right content. It had to be "perfect" and preferably new. I tried to quit multiple times but had relapses. But after I cleared the 90 day milestone that first time, I never looked back. Now maybe once a month, I will watch some porn and squeeze one out.

Find a reason to be outside. Find a reason to not be alone. Take sleeping pills so you fall asleep before you feel the urge to pull out your laptop. Maybe find a sugar baby that you can see once a week to practice with live vagina, and use that as the only outlet to extract sperm from your body.

Long-term for proper prostrate health, I believe you are supposed to clear the pipes at least once every 3-4 days. But as many on the forums and websites attest to, if one wants to reboot, go 90 days without porn. And eliminate (or reduce) masturbation for the entire period.

[Member #4581]

Porn is an addiction. If you were a hardcore addict and were able to stop cold and kick your habit, you are a better man than I.

A few years ago, I received a job offer that paid nearly 40% higher comp. W / better tax too. Happened to be in a country that is a bit totalitarian and where porn watching is illegal, and even if caught using vPN etc penalty could be severe and not merely monetary. Passed on the offer. Not just due to porn paucity but can't deny that porn played a factor.

[Mangga]

I'll be in Frankfurt for some days in July and I was wondering if you can suggest some club (I will already be going to the top clubs like Oase,Sharks,World) in the Hessen area where CIM is not extra, not necessarily a pauschalclub type (I only know treff188 around Frankfurt and from what I've read it's pretty terrible) but also something like Dietzenbach. Thank you very much.

[McAdonis]

While I always get rock hard watching things like gangbang porn.

But still I have the feeling I could do much more and get more out of it if I could overcome my inhibitions.

On the other hand, though, I've experienced issues like this many times in "normal" one on one paid sex.

Nothing you wrote, I found weird. If you can still get rock hard watching porn without medication, then your equipment is still functioning, even at age 64. I suspect you have the "feeling you could do much more", because you are using your online porn habit as the benchmark, and you know can orgasm significantly more frequently by your hand then inside of a vagina. Quit porn. Quit masturbating. Your one "special female friend" will be the key to your rehabilitation. You have to just tell your self, "either she gets me off, or I don't get off". Easier said than done. Hopefully you can visit her at least once a week and have discipline not to relapse. Good luck.

This website has resources:

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/any-...ed-ejaculation

Healthy, young men in their 20's reporting erectile dysfunction and low levels of libido. Losing their erection after 2-3 minutes of vaginal penetration. Viagra and Cialis would mask this problem of course. But that just means fucking for hours without climax for them. These men have more extreme cases than what I hear described amongst fly-in mongers. Some of these 20 year olds have never been able to cum (handjob, blowjob, vaginal penetration). They can only come using their own hand, so they can cum "for their GF" but not "from the touch of their GF". Many try to "imagine their favorite porn scene when fucking their GF" and still no climax. I believe the severity of their cases is is due to the fact that streaming porn has been prevalent since before they hit adolescence, whereas majority of us mongers were 25,35, or 45 back in 2006 when free streaming porn became prevalent.

Kicking the porn habit would save some time perhaps. Think about the time you spend each day. Searching for videos. Clicking and previewing multiple videos. Does she have the right face? Right body? Right angle? Is it hardcore or fetish enough? Have I already seen this?

Many fly-in mongers are doing trips every 90 days or more frequently. So stop watching porn for 90 days. Leave the house. What have you got to lose?

[Free Dude]

FKK? The nearest is Acapulco in Velbert.

Brothel? Kuschelluder nearer to the city centre.

Penelope is in Essen itself, not sure if I'd recommend it though.

[Downandup]

Good Day.

Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?

Thanks, Cap.

FKK? The nearest is Acapulco in Velbert.

Brothel? Kuschelluder nearer to the city centre.

[Pistons]

Are you sure that your reduction in productivity is due to age, health and or reduced libido? My understanding is you have only been FKKing about five years. Perhaps your libido has only dropped ten percent. But the "novelty factor" is what is missing now. Some fly-in guys get addicted immediately. Maybe ten trips in a 20 month period. When compared against their first two trips, their production has decreased precipitiously as well, even though they have not aged much. When I was 16, I could masturbate six times a day and climax each time. I had GFs and the first ten times we had sex, I climaxed with relative ease (15-20 minutes). Then the novelty factor went away, and I started having difficulty (60 minutes no climax). But I was still able to masturbate six times a day at home by myself and climax each time.

Are you having this with all girls? To me, it depends on chemistry how long she will keep me erect at full potential. And I don't realise the sexual chemistry (it is also genetic) until after several times of having had sex. So that is why an FKK is a goldmine. I can try 100 girls, and maybe I find that unstoppable chemistry with 5 or just 2 of them.

[Cappy]

Good Day.

Can someone advise if there are any clubs in the Essen district?

Thanks, Cap.

[Member #4581]

It's totally different. The FKK is filtering the guys based on what money they can present up front, and it is filtering the girls based on their beauty and service. That is the way it should be. Only a feminist would say that guys and girls should be treated the same in every way. I even have a name for it: "the symmetrical fallacy".

Sorry Poly. The invocation of a straw man feminist is the lamest resort on ISG when all else fails and have no logical reply.

If you think what you propose is a good business model, and that it will make money, you should try.

If you think there are several thousands of attractive girls waiting to work in FKK and provide great service at current prices upon removal of entry fee, you should provide evidence.

If you think "build it and they will come" works, you should build.