German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[UltraHappy]

Thank you for all the posts regarding female guests.

I should have been a little more specific in my first post. My wife would love to watch me with a WG in an FKK, and I would love to show her the places and the "chemistry" in the clubs. She has watched me with WG's earlier, but not in an "exclusive" club as an FKK. Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!

Yes, this is allowed, but only in those clubs that allow female guests. Just FYI, Sharks no longer allows female guests.

Oase allows female guests. As Mauro says, "Of course couples are allowed; it's even written right on our front door!" (but he says this in German of course).

When taking wife to the room, you must be clear with the working girl that the wife is not participating (unless you're willing pay on the wife's account also). If Wife is only watching, you should tell the working girl that the wife is just there to watch to make sure you don't do anything too naughty, like have sex without a condom. You can tell the girl that your wife has forbidden you to go to the room with a prostitute unless Wife is there supervising to make sure everything is on the up-and-up. If the Wife participates (for example, feeling up the working girl in the room while you're playing with the working girl), the working girl is likely going to expect renumeration from the wife as well.

So, my recommendation is for you to act like you have no choice in the matter, that you are not bringing the wife along because you want the wife to be there, but merely because you are abiding by your wife's rules. You should make clear up front upon entering the room that wife is not paying and not participating (unless you want wife to participate, in which case, be prepared to pay up).

Or, you can try whatever approach works for you.

[Nr 71]

Thank you for all the posts regarding female guests.

I should have been a little more specific in my first post. My wife would love to watch me with a WG in an FKK, and I would love to show her the places and the "chemistry" in the clubs. She has watched me with WG's earlier, but not in an "exclusive" club as an FKK. Our intention is to let me be a regular customer, and let the wife watch. From your answers it looks like it would be possible in some clubs. Thank you again!

[Pistons]

It is back in 2014, but there were two female couple who were at Artemis, they were so hot.

Other than that, I never seen any female guests so far. It would be interesting to see though.

Are you sure they were not just pole dancers, or some women working there? Or someone looking into working at the club? Because if memory serves me right, I believe I overheard the receptionist once say civilian women were not allowed in.

[ExpatLover]

Salaam, Mr Stud. The fees that a WG pays vary from FKK to FKK. I was in a place recently and a girl told me sadly that she had to pay 200 CHF every day: entrance fee plus expenses like in-house food.

I was aghast. If a girl is paying that, she starts out the day with an attitude of debt: the customers for her are not interesting opportunities any more, but just a way to pay off her debt. Furthermore, the best girls are often those who are new to the scene, but what fresh girl is going to want to pay 200 CHF on her first day? All you are going to get is hardened pros, locked into the system.

A club should not be making more off the girls than it is off the customers (who were few in this FKK). Imagine you are a tourist in this club and you have a dispute with a girl. Whose side is the management going to take? The person who pays a one-time fee of 100 or the person who pays 200 every day?

I would go to the other extreme: the girls should not pay an entrance fee at all. So any girl (including Hobbyhuren) could enter provided they met the quality / talent standards of the club. The management would have to put in the work upholding those standards but what else are they there for? As for the lost income from the girls, that would be compensated for by an influx of horny, interested guys.

Your opinions? Should girls have to pay entrance?

The business model reinforced by the new law is to make the girls and the mongers to pay and to get 0 from what happen between them, even they can less and less control the quality of the presentation just because the girls are independent workers even free to ask the price they want.

[Smoke Light]

Regarding discussion on the rules for female guests in FKK clubs. I am not sure if clubs would allow you and other men fuck your wife in collaboration with at least one WG present in the room. I think a gangbang club may be a better option if a gangbang activity is your wife's fantasy.

One WG suggested that I take her to a gangbang club. She has many names and changes clubs like gloves, but I think her LR name is Julia. I consider her idea very interesting, since I've never done a gangbang club myself. I have good trust in her instincts since I had her multiple times in my hotel. My only concern is my life safety when she is driving her red hot Audi like a maniac and never lets me drive my "lousy" rental car.

[Smoke Light]

I've posted some articles about dangers of online porn before. Most seemed to think that their performance issues were related to not only online porn but also to being too accustomed to the feel of their right hand. My suggestions: use your left hand. Or pretend like its 1970 and masturbate just to photos or using just your imagination.

If you have good chemistry with a girl it's not unreasonable to ask to take photos of her in the room. Many WGs have no problem with it, especially if face is not visible or covered by hair. So you can masturbate to those. Having done this, sometimes I feel so unhappy in sex prison USA, that looking at the pictures of some really good FKK memories makes it even worse. Then I am switching to an online porn, mostly non-commercial amateur stuff like eroprofile.com. Webcam-style WhatsApp video chat with a known WG and finish in your hand is best for a boost of morale and self-esteem. And don't forget plenty of baby oil, LOL.

[Polyamorist]

Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct?

Salaam, Mr Stud. The fees that a WG pays vary from FKK to FKK. I was in a place recently and a girl told me sadly that she had to pay 200 CHF every day: entrance fee plus expenses like in-house food.

I was aghast. If a girl is paying that, she starts out the day with an attitude of debt: the customers for her are not interesting opportunities any more, but just a way to pay off her debt. Furthermore, the best girls are often those who are new to the scene, but what fresh girl is going to want to pay 200 CHF on her first day? All you are going to get is hardened pros, locked into the system.

A club should not be making more off the girls than it is off the customers (who were few in this FKK). Imagine you are a tourist in this club and you have a dispute with a girl. Whose side is the management going to take? The person who pays a one-time fee of 100 or the person who pays 200 every day?

I would go to the other extreme: the girls should not pay an entrance fee at all. So any girl (including Hobbyhuren) could enter provided they met the quality / talent standards of the club. The management would have to put in the work upholding those standards but what else are they there for? As for the lost income from the girls, that would be compensated for by an influx of horny, interested guys.

Your opinions? Should girls have to pay entrance?

[McAdonis]

The law of diminishing returns is firmly in place. I actually abstained from any ejaculation for nearly 10 days prior to the club visit, and yet 5 climaxes is all I was able accomplish for all that money spent and all those rooms visited. Ouch.

Five climaxes over five days? If that is close to your normal output back in sex prison USA masturbating to porn, then nothing you could do about that. That's a physical limitation. But let's say you had the flu and were stuck at home for five days with nothing to do. How many climaxes could you manage? If your answer is about 7-8, then I'd say you have nothing to say "Ouch" about. One should expect to be slightly more prolific using their own hand. But if your number is like 15+, that seems like something worth addressing. Hopefully, you could rehabilitate yourself so that by your next trip, you can get 7-8 pops and simultaneously cut your spending.

I've posted some articles about dangers of online porn before. Most seemed to think that their performance issues were related to not only online porn but also to being too accustomed to the feel of their right hand. My suggestions: use your left hand. Or pretend like its 1970 and masturbate just to photos or using just your imagination.

In my late teens and early 20's I could only pop in missionary and it was difficult. I certainly had more testosterone back then. Essentially I had the exact opposite of premature ejaculation. In most cases, my erection would weaken before I could reach climax. Since I was seeing only civilian girls back then, they were always disappointed they were unable to please me. After I addressed my issues, I could climax easily in missionary, standing up, spoon, cowgirl, CIM. Although I've never managed to finish using stand and carry: https://www.google.com/search?q=stand+and+carry+sex&tbm=isch.

[Optimist]

Sorry everybody Automatic spell correct make my post nonsense. Meant to say female guest, who pays normal entry like male guest, should not go to room with a male guest (apart from the one she arrived with).

Paying a girl working at the club to go to a room is good.

[UltraHappy]

Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct? So, hypothetically, if a guy goes into a room with his freaky wife without a WG and he pays her it would be OK or if the guy gets off on the thrill of his wife going into a room with another monger and if that monger pays her the unwritten scale wage that also would also be ok, correct?

I am under the assumption that both the WGs and the Hobbyists pay the same fee and that all the girls are freelancers or independent contractors that are not employees of the house.

Example, Donald decides to go to a club with his wife Melanie (entirely fictional names, both American citizens and citizens of no other country). They both pay an entry fee.

(1) Donald can go to the room with any working girl.

(2) Melanie can go to room with any working girl.

(3) Donald and Melanie can both go together to the room with any working girl.

(4) Donald and Melanie can both go together to the room by themselves without any working girl unless for some reason the club prohibits this (unusual). For example, at Oase, Mainhattan, and World, you can go to the room with your female guest without a working girl accompanying you. While some clubs may have their own voluntarily-imposed rules about this (I'm not aware of any), but there is no legal requirement that prohibits the club from allowing a male guest to bring his female guest to the room without a working girl.

(5) BUT, Melanie may NOT go to the room with another male guest because Melanie does not have right to work in the EU. If Melanie has an EU passport, at some clubs like World, she may leave her passport at the front desk, and Reception will allow her to "work" during her stay at the club as a guest. Not all clubs will allow this accommodation however for many valid reasons that I don't feel like enumerating here. To be clear, this is not an issue of employee versus independent worker. This is about the right to work. Melanie can't go to the room with a male guest for the same reason that she doesn't have the right to do ANY work in the EU, including being hired as the cleaning lady to mop the toilets in Europe, because without an appropriate work visa, she simply doesn't have the right to work at all in the EU.

Your next question might be, "WTF? Isn't that sexist to assume that Melanie is working when she goes to the room with another male guest, but not Donald?" Sorry, but yes, by the definition of sexism, that is indeed sexist and yes, that is the world we live in. Welcome to 2018.

[HungryStud101]

Read carefully. A female guest cannot go with other paying male guests because she would be competing with the WGs. She can definitely be in the room with another WG if she pays.

Wait a second: Everyone pays to get in, correct? So if the guy enters an FKK with his wife they would both pay a fee. That fee is equal to the fee that a WG pays, correct? So, hypothetically, if a guy goes into a room with his freaky wife without a WG and he pays her it would be OK or if the guy gets off on the thrill of his wife going into a room with another monger and if that monger pays her the unwritten scale wage that also would also be ok, correct? Ahhh, but all the WGs need to be "documented" under the new law. I am not sure what"documented" entails but could this cause a problem for the scenarios above?

I am under the assumption that both the WGs and the Hobbyists pay the same fee and that all the girls are freelancers or independent contractors that are not employees of the house. Sorry for all the questions but I have spent a grand total of 13 days in an FKK over the years and I am not entirely sure of the relationship between the WG and the house. I am pretty sure that there is a cost structure that is unwritten but still fairly rigid in nature with limited flexibility and that it is enforced to a degree by peer pressure. I was chastised on here after I had written a report in March where I revealed that I walked away from a girl offering anal for 100 Euro and I was only willing to pay 50 Euro. I walked and she ran after me and settled for 50 Euro. I put that in a report and I was chastised for it by a fellow ISGr. He said that the other girls at that particular FKK will read this and go after that particular WG. I admit I never considered this when I wrote that report.

[HungryStud101]

Summary of my 4 days in the clubs.

Don't push it too much without a hotel. In the past, I'd skimped and left at close a couple of nights in a row and roughed it. Sleeping in a car, or just hanging around takes it's toll over a few days, especially for this 50+yo monger. In the future, even though it pisses me off to spend a lot for a hotel that I'll use for a few hours until a club opens, I think I'll arrange to just leave the clubs at midnight, and go get a good sleep. It was a great 4 days, but definitely took a lot out of me without a place to sleep for a few nights.

Too bad you can't rent a van or something that you could actually sleep a little more comfortable in. I am thinking about the big RVs we see in the USA at sporting events. I would like to pull into Sharks in one of these.

[Mr Ho]

Seen a bunch of female guests at Oase especially. And also some at Oceans.

Artemis on the other hand I believe is off limit for girls from what I know.

It is back in 2014, but there were two female couple who were at Artemis, they were so hot.

Other than that, I never seen any female guests so far. It would be interesting to see though.

[Rogue Nation]

Read carefully. A female guest cannot go with other paying male guests because she would be competing with the WGs. She can definitely be in the room with another WG if she pays.

Plus she would need registration and all the necessary papers.

[UltraHappy]

If I agree for staying one hour at the beginning, and find out service still bad, and I finish the session before 30 minutes and walk out, I still need to pay her 100.

So, are you really asking about whether it is advisable to make a contractual promise and then attempt to breach that contractual promise? If you make a promise and then you renege on your promise, you better have a damn good argument about why you are not following through with your promise (for example, you explicitly stated that your promise was a conditional promise, and your stated condition was not met). But, if you flat out promise an hour and you don't follow through, well, wouldn't you be pissed if you hired a vendor who reneged on their contractual promises to you?

If I say at the beginning of the session to the girl that I will start 30 minutes to see how it will evolve, that means bad service will start for most case.

Not necessarily. I never ever commit to a duration of time in the room with a new girl. Most of my sessions turn out quite nicely. But, yeah, if the girl doesn't turn out to your liking, then don't repeat her and move on. She will lose out on your repeat business and she will perhaps regret not giving not giving you better service when she sees you spending your money on all of her friends instead.