German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Takedown]

WGs are at the peak of the food chain. Their beauty allows them to pick from 95 percent of the male population.

The mongers that shower girls with gifts to win affection, I assume they understand they are not at the top of the food chain. They are paying for a fantasy that they do not want to end. They see what they want to see. You've written before that you work with dying patients. The family members and maybe the patient themselves, I am sure there is an unwillingness to accept reality. They choose to see what they want to see.

Note: I am not talking about mongers that give a one-time gift as a "tip".

Well, not so sure I can agree that the girls are that beautiful. Definitely not the bottom 75% of a club anyway, LOL.

All the same, cognitive dissonance is the reason the guys don't accept the reality. WGs can also fall victim to this cognitive dissonance if the monger can disarm her. I think our difference is that you are saying that you don't believe some mongers can do this (disarm her) while I believe some can. I feel that I have done this at times and I remember you telling me a story of how you have also. At Paradise was it? A WG doesn't give free "extras" to a first or second time 50-100 euro monger because of charity. In some way, not because you were a big spender or a frequent flyer, she wanted to give that to you right?

[McAdonis]

Not sure how this scenario escapes the logic versus primal attraction argument. I think prior knowledge falls under the relm of facts and logic which can still be trumped by attraction. It's cognitive dissonance due to emotion.

Thee point is that primal attraction (temporarily) overrides facts, logic, or knowledge.

On the flip, why else would a monger who knows that WGs are gold diggers shower a girl with gifts to win affection? Cognitive dissonance to the fact that she's a working girl.

WGs are at the peak of the food chain. Their beauty allows them to pick from 95 percent of the male population.

The mongers that shower girls with gifts to win affection, I assume they understand they are not at the top of the food chain. They are paying for a fantasy that they do not want to end. They see what they want to see. You've written before that you work with dying patients. The family members and maybe the patient themselves, I am sure there is an unwillingness to accept reality. They choose to see what they want to see.

Note: I am not talking about mongers that give a one-time gift as a "tip".

[Mr Ho]

Contribution to humanity, society, friends, or family? Or simply passing on of genetic material?

I pay my tax, pretty big amount actually, family sure, but that extend to my parent only. Society, well I have been doing that all my life and what I meant is that I stopped courting girls as I prefer pro girls where there is no need to play game and suck up, but just choose and pay and you can change when you want as beautiful and young you want with no problem.

Friends, I have, but I cannot openly talk about my mongering hobby LOL, so for this I got good intelligent online friends, who are much more freedom humans than or out of most.

As for genetic material, hmmm I do understand a bit, but man, kid is too much of hassle and too expensive that I prefer to invest that money to FKK or escort, but maybe if my net worth cash amount exceed over 10 million usd, then it maybe worth a stretch. But to be honest, I prefer cute dogs over most kids.

[Takedown]

I believe you and Takedown are conflating two different things. In the early 2000's, the manosphere co-opted the scientific terms "alpha male" and "beta male". This is similar to how the alt-right has co-opted the term "cuck". The meanings have been altered slightly. For people in the PUA sub-community, alpha males do not always need to be physically dominant.

You can be alpha without being physically dominant although it helps. Physically dominant guys do tend to favor the alpha persona, at least it makes it easier to do so.

But speaking of Neil Strauss, in "The Game: Secret Society of PUA", his first commandment and a "must do" is to work out. So even the PUA community understands that even if you're not a 6'3" brick house, you must still meet some physical qualifiers or metrics to pass as an alpha.

[Takedown]

I agree that logic and facts take a while to settle in. However, logic is not the only way that a WG can come to the conclusion: pro monger = loser. Society stereotypes mongers as "lonely losers who can't find sex any other way". So this prejudice was probably already present before in the WG's mind before she ever entered the profession.

Not sure how this scenario escapes the logic versus primal attraction argument. I think prior knowledge falls under the relm of facts and logic which can still be trumped by attraction. It's cognitive dissonance due to emotion.

Thee point is that primal attraction (temporarily) overrides facts, logic, or knowledge.

On the flip, why else would a monger who knows that WGs are gold diggers shower a girl with gifts to win affection? Cognitive dissonance to the fact that she's a working girl.

[McAdonis]

I tried hard to change the topic to something other than Alpha, Beta, Omega, Gamma and Sigma specimens of humans. Why, civilization, education and advancement in technology have honestly changed the paradigm of these classifications within humans. Yes, there are physically dominant individuals but a geek with a computer, laser, or audio based weapon can bring these physically dominant specimens to there knees or worse. So personalities aside all this Alpha, Beta blah blah can be tossed out the window.

I believe you and Takedown are conflating two different things. In the early 2000's, the manosphere co-opted the scientific terms "alpha male" and "beta male". This is similar to how the alt-right has co-opted the term "cuck". The meanings have been altered slightly. For people in the PUA sub-community, alpha males do not always need to be physically dominant.

Here is an entertaining primer. A famous PUA, Neil Strauss, is being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel with Jessica Alba listening in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M.

Neil Strauss captures the community quite well, describing it as a "Revenge of the Nerds" type of community. In other words, a bunch of sexual frustrated young men, googling "how to get women" then subsequently finding one another.

[McAdonis]

As a quant and numbers based guy with very linear thinking and who never took a psych class in life, I usually ignore all those theories.

A deep understanding of the human brain, and being able to consistently predict how others might think or feel about something is essential for navigating life. For some professions, it is an absolute necessity. Plastic surgeons must understand what is considered "aesthetic". Artists need to understand what would be considered "artistic". Tech luminaries like Jobs and Sean Parker need to possess the vision to predict what the next big gadget or service will resonate with the masses. For all of the above disciplines, psychologists have proposed theories, and conducted experiments to test their theories. This article from the New Yorker discusses how academics (Plato, Aristotle, Freud) have tried to solve the following riddle: "what makes something funny". The precise formula they are looking for will probably never be found. The human brain is just too complex.

That said, I believe a successful stand-up comedian like Chris Rock have a strong grasp on what most people would find funny. But even he falls flat on some of his jokes occasionally. Chris Rock instinctively uses the "Incongruity Theory" to craft some of his jokes, even though he may have never actually read about this theory. While Chris Rock isn't as book smart as us, he possesses intelligence nevertheless. I don't doubt for a second that he hasn't dilgently studied the routines of those that came before him (Pryor, Carlin, Murphy, etc).

Why is this psycho-babble relevant to us mongers? (1) WGs run psychology game on us to manipulate more money out of us than we want to spend, (2) having a better pulse on how others think, feel, and operate helps us in sales, negotiation, job interviews, proposals, and personal relationships. Even though I am a "logic" guy, I understand getting paid more is often not about what you know, but who you know, and who likes you. (3) Even though some mongers outwardly are happy, they might be depressed and lonely. Many of us are males in the 45-55 age demographic, highest rate of suicide, I believe. Having a better understanding mental health might help us watch out for another. In short: saving money, making more money, and staying alive.

Sean Parker on how he knew FB could exploit psychology to make users addicted: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/09/face...ial-media.html.

Trying to understand what makes something funny: https://www.newyorker.com/tech/eleme...s-things-funny.

[McAdonis]

All logical and well but that's the problem, you're putting yourself in the girl's shoes and thinking like you, with logic. In the moment and in the early rooms, that's not always the case. The girl can lose herself if the game of attraction is played well. Not all girls, but definitely many of them in my experience. Your points will prevail in the end when extending the interaction to future rooms and outside the club interactions because you give logic and facts a chance to settle in and reminding the girl that you are a paying customer.

I agree that logic and facts take a while to settle in. However, logic is not the only way that a WG can come to the conclusion: pro monger = loser. Society stereotypes mongers as "lonely losers who can't find sex any other way". So this prejudice was probably already present before in the WG's mind before she ever entered the profession.

For instance, often dispensed advice to newbies here is "never go with WGs that aggressively approaches you the moment you walk into the club". Their logic behind this statement is: "That WG probably has zero business. All the regulars already know she is a rip-off artist. That is why she desperately hunts tourists". So newbie walks into Sharks. Angelica the Egyptian approaches. It won't take the newbie more than a moment to recall this prejudice.

[Chongmal]

I think it would be foolish to throw the alpha, beta, etc dynamics out the window. Your assessment is correct in the context of society at large and long term relationships. However, there is still the matter of carnal attraction that is preprogrammed in our biology. Thousands of years of progress in science, technology, and culture pales in comparison to the millions of years of evolution that has led to our current physical form.

Simply put, our hardware has not kept up with our software. Women are still hardwired to be drawn to dominant, often physically dominant, men.

Unfortunately, a major section of my prior entry has been edited without indication by the moderators. This makes my last entry sound a bit incomplete To them, I apologize for making statements that are in violation to the forum rules. I hope this does not extend my time as a regular member, if it does I will remove my account.

[Takedown]

Exactly. A common and oft used and observed tactic. Telling you what you said and / or think when you said no such thing, nor believe in something who somebody else alleges that you do.

Kinda like when the other poster uses the pejorative phrase "self declared alpha male" just because one poster used the generic term beta male to describe a a submissive male. It's a civil discussion where personal attacks need not be made.

I think McAdonis was dead on when he described that some of the discussions here as "geeks arguing on this forum about semantics."

[Takedown]

I tried hard to change the topic to something other than Alpha, Beta, Omega, Gamma and Sigma specimens of humans. Why, civilization, education and advancement in technology have honestly changed the paradigm of these classifications within humans. Yes, there are physically dominant individuals but a geek with a computer, laser, or audio based weapon can bring these physically dominant specimens to there knees or worse. So personalities aside all this Alpha, Beta blah blah can be tossed out the window. This is a Survival Of The Fittest concept, where physical dominance ensured mating by providing security for females or by force. To use the Kenye West example, this is evidence that the needs and desires of women have changed from the basics of security and shelter to the Social Media and Fame Wh. Es that are so commonly found today. Enough on this topic, lets go to some more interesting theories you have presented.

Sorry for the long entry but this has hit me one of my passion areas. History and Science are two of my favourite things just after: Sex with beautiful women, Whisky and food.

I think it would be foolish to throw the alpha, beta, etc dynamics out the window. Your assessment is correct in the context of society at large and long term relationships. However, there is still the matter of carnal attraction that is preprogrammed in our biology. Thousands of years of progress in science, technology, and culture pales in comparison to the millions of years of evolution that has led to our current physical form.

Simply put, our hardware has not kept up with our software. Women are still hardwired to be drawn to dominant, often physically dominant, men.

[HungryStud101]

I thought I would share this song that I wrote as my plane landed in Frankfurt the 2nd time I visited FKK land. It is sung to the tune of the Beatles "Back in the USSR. " The parody doesn't quite fit but an old friend of mine who used to frequent this forum named Ded once explained that FKK was pronounced F Ka Ka by the Germans (it sounded like this to me anyway) so I took some license to write the following parody and this goes through my head every time I think about the FKK scene and especially as my flight is touching down in Germany. And guess what? I'm going back. So this song is killing me. I just updated the lyrics:

BACK IN THE FK KA KA (song to the tune of Back in the USSR by the Beatles).


Been up posting reviews all night on ISG.

Didn't get to bed last night.

Composing several To-do-lists on my knees.

Man was anna's asshole tight.

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Been away so long I hardly knew the place.

Is a covered Blow job now the law?

Living Room tomorrow been in Sharks now twice.

Hobbyist better hide their phones.

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK.

Back in the FK.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Well the Romanian girls really knock me out.

They have the best behinds.

And Romanian girls make me sing and shout.

Are there not any other kind?



Yeah I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

You don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Well the Romanian girls really knock me out.

They have the best behinds.

And Romanian girls make me sing and shout.

That Bella's just took my last dime.



Oh, show me around your Sharkish brothels way down south.

Take me to your Sauna Clubs.

Let me hear your broken English ringing out.

"One-hundred Euros and I'll perform".

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

Hey you don't know how lucky you ahh boys.

Back in the FK-Ka-Ka.



Oh don't take all my money.

Hey, I'm back!

I'm back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

Yes, I'm free!

Yeah, back in the FK-Ka-Ka.

[Takedown]

All this talk of this intricate theories seems to suggest that if one figures out how to act "alpha," one will mysteriously trigger responses in the female brain causing them to throw themselves all over you in FKK land.

While I fully acknowledge that outside of the FKK, certain behaviors will have a tendency to produce positive / negative reactions from our female counterparts, in FKK land, things are much simpler.

The formula is quite simple in my personal view: Be nice, clean, and pay them and you will get a good actress. It's that simple. No need for complex theories. Just my personal experience.

You're right there is no need for complex theories, just as there is no need to have sex with beautiful girls without the intention of procreation.

My personal experience is that often, and specifically in the early encounters, the man-woman relationship supercedes the monger-WG interaction. Playing that game well for me has resulted in better rooms for me. Keeping it simple is well and fine, but for me that gets boring after a while. Everyone participates in this hobby at various levels, from the once a year fly in tourist to the weekly visitor who tries to make every girl his "Eve."

[UltraHappy]

All this talk of this intricate theories seems to suggest that if one figures out how to act "alpha," one will mysteriously trigger responses in the female brain causing them to throw themselves all over you in FKK land.

While I fully acknowledge that outside of the FKK, certain behaviors will have a tendency to produce positive / negative reactions from our female counterparts, in FKK land, things are much simpler.

The formula is quite simple in my personal view: Be nice, clean, and pay them and you will get a good actress. It's that simple. No need for complex theories. Just my personal experience.

[Takedown]

Obviously I never said anything to the effect you wrote in your last sentence, but thanks for attributing it to me somehow.

Understood, hence my qualifying word "if."

I pay fair money in accordance with club rules, and expect to get a fair service in return. Which I manage to obtain in a large majority of the sessions. Not rocket science there.

Fair enough, I strive to get better than fair. I want the best service that the independent working girl is willing to freely give me.

If I go into a new city and eat in ten different restaurants, even with the help of Yelp and whatnot, the chance of all ten meals being super great is zero (from a price and quality perspective). I don't psycho analyze it to death. Win some lose some. In fact makes it fun.

One may say that Yelping requires analysis. If you wholey believe in the carefree approach then you would just try every interesting looking mom and pop shop on the corner. Win some lose some!

It may sound like psycho analyzing it to death to you but it seems easy and fun to me and obviously sparked the interest of at least one other poster here. You absolutely are not required to indulge in this aspect of the hobby. Enjoy your hobbying style!

Elsewhere you stated you obtain free service, service for many hours at a small price etc. I am *not* looking for freebies from the girls. I can afford to pay, I want to pay, and give them small tips when warranted. If all your theories and analysis are towards the goal of obtaining these freebies, good for you. But not my thing.

Sounds good. We are in agreement.