German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Mr Ho]

Well the winner is Me!

I have been fucking beautiful stunner girls since age 17 or 18 around globe began in Switzerland and ever since I began I strive to fuck many beautiful stunner girls as I can around the globe till I die. So far, I have 20 years this year as mongering experience and I hope I have other 40 more years of mongering to add to my life fucking beautiful stunner level girls.

In recent years, I finally managed to able to say I fuck beautiful stunner level girls half of my age as I get 18 years old and 19 years old legal age stunner when I am lucky, this was one of my dream thing to say and finally I managed to say it.

I have been getting my anal licked since I was 18 or 19, and this year make it about 20 years experience of getting my anal licked by beautiful stunner level girls from around globe.

Some of these girls I fucked when I was younger must be middle age now or some sorry guys wife. [Deleted by Admin]

I do the math, I am the winner and I flush my toilet on those guys LOL!

[Neurosynth]

The historically real money (unless one adheres to the annunaki / gold theory) had one single purpose: to let men have sex with younger women.

Where did you study history? You should sue to get your tuition money back.

[Sosa23]

I've been several times to Sharks & Oase over the years, and am looking to expand next visits to other clubs. My preference is natural 18-20 yr old, less "professional" the better (I. E. No silicone & no tattoos is preferred). Basically looking for young, pretty, and good attitude, even if service is not up to par with older girls.

In reading through the reports, I have come to the following summary:

Mainhattan: Next best option to Sharks / Oase in Frankfurt area, but YMMV with BBBJ since law change.

Palace: 4th best option in Frankfurt area. Better to venture out to NRW or Globe.

NRW Clubs: Similar quality of girls to Frankfurt clubs, but smaller LUs. CIM is 20 Euro instead of 50. Mileage in general is better than in Frankfurt area.

Globe: Better LU and service than anywhere in Germany. Cost is more though ( 70 Euro per 30 min, and 70 euro more for CIM).

Is the above accurate? Can anyone help if I have incorrect information?

Thanks!

[Mangga]

I only recently came to know that from 2012 to 2016 the FKK Palast in Freiburg organized a Blowjob contest! But I can't find any news about after 2016, do you know if they stopped doing it?

[Takedown]

PUA community always associates "alpha" with being a leader, so presumably this means more than just brawn. Many actions and decisions of leaders, if seen from isolation, may appear as beta. But strategically there is a desired outcome. So has the WG proven herself in a 5 minute interaction to deserve a 100 EUR payout? Has the monger had the opportunity to establish his alpha frame in 5 minutes?

That's what I meant by it being beneficial to alternate between alpha persona and beta persona. It's not for the purpose of merely appearing alpha, it's for the purpose of winning. When does it serve me to appear alpha (dominant)? And when does it serve me to appear beta (submissive)? Alpha is not synonymous with winning, winning is synonymous with winning.

As for the 5 minute interaction. Yes, I think that is sufficient time to establish alpha frame. PUA guys say that 30 secs is all it takes for women to gauge if they want to sleep with you. So back to the crux of my original post way back when regarding approaching WGs, being alpha (decisive) builds attraction while being beta (analytical) does not.

From the above blog post, this PUA supposedly has many many women, so he must compartmentalize and place them in tiers from lowest to highest: One-night-stand, Fuck-Buddy, and what he terms the OLTR. I suspect this is what athletes and rappers do. We know that they frequent strip clubs, but do they give signals to the strippers that they want to OLTR her?

You're right that they classify them but yes those guys still make the girl feel like OLTR in the moment. Even in my personal experience, every girl I've one-night-stood, I still treated her like she was a LTGF. All of the guys I know who are "ladies men" have always been pretty respectful to women up until closing. The "slap them in the ass" "alphas," they're not real alphas and that shit hardly actually ever works unless you've already built up the attraction. The slap in the ass is just to remove all doubt that you want to fuck her at some point.

I am talking more about gauging how strong the oneitis and infatuation is. Let's say a girl has a garbage man as a customer and an early-retired millionaire as a customer. If they both spend about 6000 EUR on her last year, she can clearly discern which monger is making more sacrifice. It is clear which monger she can steer and manipulate more. And as you wrote, oneitis "shows lower value", especially when given prematurely.

Absolutely.

[Member #4581]

Agree with everything you said except I don't see the WGs as loser girls. They are doing us a service, and they are earning lots of money, and some work hard to support their families, which is more than what we can say about most spoiled Western women, many of whom are only winners due to circumstances of their birth.

Oh sure, Neither do I believe that girls in these clubs are losers, I was just making a theoretical argument. These girls are dealt a harsh hand in life, or may be not, but they are making money honestly and by working hard. Gotta respect them for it. In any case, I don't believe in attaching these winner and loser labels to people. Is Trump a winner? Ostensibly - he has money, power, fame, women even tutes and porn stars. Yet, I have zero respect for him. That's all that matters to me: do I personally respect that other guy or not.

[McAdonis]

In general, both sides of the equation have no basis to be criticizing the other "just for being".

Agree wholeheartedly. What was the context when the WG said you were not "normal"? Was it after she asked to go to the room? And you said no.

As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers.

Agree with everything you said except I don't see the WGs as loser girls. They are doing us a service, and they are earning lots of money, and some work hard to support their families, which is more than what we can say about most spoiled Western women, many of whom are only winners due to circumstances of their birth.

[McAdonis]

I don't think "loser" should be synonymous with "beta." The beta persona is not necessarily always an undesirable one. I see it beneficial to switch back and forth between alpha behavior and beta behavior. Can't think of a great modern anecdote to exemplify this but I hypothetically, I bet a lot of alpha cavemen died being impaled by a mammoth tusk while some betas in the clan lived through many alpha reigns as they took a more timid place at the back of a pack during a hunt.

PUA community always associates "alpha" with being a leader, so presumably this means more than just brawn. Many actions and decisions of leaders, if seen from isolation, may appear as beta. But strategically there is a desired outcome. For instance, if an employees threatens to quit and asks his manager for a 10 percent raise, the manager would probably make that concession. But the manager knows that in the near future, he will offload 15% more responsibility and duties to that employee. And the employee will gladly shoulder it, because his boss' "generosity" is still fresh in his mind. Also couple of prerequisites are met before the manager even considered taking a beta stance: (1) the employee had proven himself with years of loyalty and performance (2) the manager had firmly established his alpha frame. So has the WG proven herself in a 5 minute interaction to deserve a 100 EUR payout? Has the monger had the opportunity to establish his alpha frame in 5 minutes?

These two prerequisites I pulled from the below blog. Not saying it is authoritative, but he advises only spending significant money on your GF (OLTR). AND only after 6-12 months of proven track record from the GF (OLTR):http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2015/...-relationship/.

Your terms of "alpha" uses a very tight and narrow definition, so I would disagree with your theory regarding the WG thoughts. Athletes and musicians are very much alphas in society and they pay strippers and working girls on the regular. There's a strip club in Atlanta called Follies; Future, Gucci Mane, and players from the Atlanta Hawks were there every weekend in 2016. Chipper Jones, formerly of the Atlanta Braves used to go to the Pink Pony every Tuesday, another strip club. I'm sure the same happens in other American cities with good strip clubs, IE Houston and Miami.

From the above blog post, this PUA supposedly has many many women, so he must compartmentalize and place them in tiers from lowest to highest: One-night-stand, Fuck-Buddy, and what he terms the OLTR. I suspect this is what athletes and rappers do. We know that they frequent strip clubs, but do they give signals to the strippers that they want to OLTR her? I imagine a rapper like Kanye would immediately put a stripper into "gold digger zone", at least his demeaning song about gold diggers would suggest this. Kanye would have his fun and spend what for him amounts to trivial, couch-cushion money on the stripper. But for relationship status, Kanye is looking for someone of equal status and money: Kim Kardashian.

As for mongers and modest wealth. Many of these Romanian girls regard 100 K per year as wealthy. Many may see 50 euro as minuscule, but when you start talking in the tens of thousands, I think they revert back to there perceptions of money relative to Romanian averages.

I am talking more about gauging how strong the oneitis and infatuation is. Let's say a girl has a garbage man as a customer and an early-retired millionaire as a customer. If they both spend about 6000 EUR on her last year, she can clearly discern which monger is making more sacrifice. It is clear which monger she can steer and manipulate more. And as you wrote, oneitis "shows lower value", especially when given prematurely.

[Ortos]

Who do you all think will win the World Cup?

What do you think the best clu in NRW, Hessen and other areas are to view the games and why?

I have, personally, very low (virtually zero) interest in football and the World Cup, but: I love to visit fkks in Hessen during a WC tournament, because all they set up big screens in Gardens like Oase and during the games all the male guests are focused on the matches, whilst all the girls just sit and wait. During the tense moments of those WC games, lots of rooms are open and lots of choices of top girls, who otherwise might be tied up in the room with long bookings.

I like the atmosphere at FKKs during WC games specifically because I don't care about the games themselves.

[RaviGoel]

Hey Guys,

In about 6 weeks, I am coming back to Germany after couple of years and notice that few things have changed. The FKK clubs no longer provide attendance info or info about the girls on their site (atleast babylon and samya used to). They also don't specify the fee to the girls anymore (used to say it is between the client and the girl earlier as well, but would have some indication on the price).

Been to most (except YinYang, Bernds and few more). My favorites was Babylon (great GFE / DFK), Samya (good lineup of petite girls and good music / dancing at night) and Living room (decent combination of the 2).

I am looking for petite girls that offer GFE (DFK). What clubs would you suggest in the NRW area?

Also, the price used to be 50 Euros for 30 minutes. Is that still the same in the NRW clubs or does it vary by girl and what we negotiate individually? For example, I am reading that at Oase the girls upsell!

Appreciate your input in advance.

[Pistons]

Only if a guy becomes hypnotized by these random opinions about himself, and throws money at the girls in the hope of reversing them, does he truly start to become a loser.

But how about fiat currency? In essence it is not really money. Has different value and meaning to different people. Girls know this and try to use it to their advantage also. And there is all sorts of games around the value of currency. In the end, we are always the ones giving value to currency, and fiat is a scam in and of itself.

The historically real money (unless one adheres to the annunaki / gold theory) had one single purpose: to let men have sex with younger women. By this metrics, the winners are both the men and the women taking part in this act, as it gives value to the trade item known as money. And lets the women stay at home and have sex as opposed to working the fields or hunting prey. But society today likes to twist and turn things. We believe what we want to believe in. Today we all want everything for free. And with science and learning, we can have that. But scarcity of young men and young attractive women is still holding us back. Perhaps the future is the key to our very riddle of winnerdom and looserdom.

[Chongmal]

Who do you all think will win the World Cup?

What do you think the best clu in NRW, Hessen and other areas are to view the games and why?

[Polyamorist]

Salaam and barak Alabama Jnpr!

I personally don't think most girls in these clubs are sitting there and pondering the secrets of the universe, philosophy of alphadom - nor are they trying to stratify who among the thousands of mongers passing through the doors are winners and losers. To me, their main focus seems a lot more mundane, ie trying to grab the next guy to the room. But if you want to read higher meaning in their vacant eyes, go for it..

OK, I'll go for it. I think girls are obsessed with judging men -- and constantly getting it wrong. I think this judgementalism is greater than their desire for cash and often works against it.

Sometimes a girl will grab a guy even when she has -- randomly -- decided he is a loser, and he only finds out her opinion in the room based on the terrible treatment he receives.

Why do people judge others in the absence of any evidence? Because it gives them a sense of power that they are lacking in all other respects.

Only if a guy becomes hypnotized by these random opinions about himself, and throws money at the girls in the hope of reversing them, does he truly start to become a loser.

[Takedown]

Oh boy, here we go again!

I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?

Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book. For sure if you are a well built 21 year old attractive dude and need to lick the C$uNt and rim the assholes of a bunch of fat grandmas, you would consider yourself to be a loser.

As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers..

I don't think the point of the conversation is to determine who are winners and losers. The point is to understand the interaction between monger and WG and how to frame it to your advantage. It matters less what one's status is in real life. In this case, the perceived and subconscious perception is what determines how well a monger is received by the WG.

[Member #4581]

Oh boy, here we go again!

I don't know that many girls, the average girl, or most girls think that all mongers, or the average monger, or many mongers are "losers". Did I miss this survey somewhere, or is this "common wisdom" available only to the self declared alpha males?

Furthermore, if you are an attractive, healthy, 21 year old girl and have to suck and fuck a whole bunch of older fat, unattractive, hairy guys, well that does make those girls "losers" in my book. For sure if you are a well built 21 year old attractive dude and need to lick the C$uNt and rim the assholes of a bunch of fat grandmas, you would consider yourself to be a loser.

As such, why would any monger who considers himself not to be a loser care that a bunch of loser girls think that he is a loser? Winners care about what other winners think of them; a winner does not care that he is not a winner in the opinion of losers.



I personally don't think most girls in these clubs are sitting there and pondering the secrets of the universe, philosophy of alphadom - nor are they trying to stratify who among the thousands of mongers passing through the doors are winners and losers. To me, their main focus seems a lot more mundane, ie trying to grab the next guy to the room. But if you want to read higher meaning in their vacant eyes, go for it..