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[Mr Ho]

Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.

True that, I do hope it is easier though, but it is what it is, at least I live better sex life than these porn actors from the stand point of quality of girls!

[Adindas]

But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.

Some are not attractive and old, but majority of the new comers are attractive, many are more attractive than the one you see in FKKs. The production companies know very well, shooting the most attractive girls, newcomers will attract more viewers.
Did you watch the sites like these (a few to name).
Nubiles, Twisty, Sex Arts, ALS Scan, CFNM [Deleted by Admin], Met Arts, [Deleted by Admin] Mega World, AmourAngels. Beauty4K, Woodman, etc. Have a look of it and draw your conclusions.

[Adindas]

These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!

I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure!

Beside scammers, time wasters, the more important point is that they are not going to publish the address of porn agencies, links to the sites, without getting paid. They provide bare minimum information to support the notion of profile listing and ignore the others. People who are interested could start searching the name of the agent by themselves.

[Mr Ho]

In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.

A few to name.

https://www.thenude.com

https://www.indexxx.com/home

https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp

I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.

Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.

Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.

These sites do not have contact details, but I think it is not possible to book them unless you have contact because too many scammers as you said!

I hope there are booking site you pay monthly so it shows you are serious and you can book girls to shoot for sure!

[Adindas]

Well how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying!

In many cases you could get the agency where they are working from their porn profiles in the porn listing sites.

A few to name.

https://www.thenude.com

https://www.indexxx.com/home

https://www.iafd.com/studio.asp

I am not saying it is easy especially a person contacting them who are not trustworthy, not a well known production companies. I think people aware that the agents, or even bimbos working for those agent know very well that there are a lot of time wasters, scammers out-there ready to scam them.

Also like mentioned before many of them are using a different name in the booking sites than their screen name.

Alternatively, especially in Germany, in the UK you could get them in the sex parties with much cheaper prices. But again I am not saying it is easy.

[Sirioja]

I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.

Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porn...gets-paid.html

"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".

In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.

A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).

But I find some girls in FKK so much more attractive and interesting than mostly ugly porn dolls. When I see what Clea Gautier became, just to cry. Porn is for frustrated guys who can t pay prostitutes. Real catastrophe now young learn sex like this, poor girls to become pieces of meat. Globe Zurich is perfect example: previously elegant with charm girls, now girls on lower level than many in Germany for less expensive, but You can play porn there.

[Adindas]

Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.

I am not quite sure whether the porn industry is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. But I do know that a pornstar in the US get paid a little bit more than their counterpart in Europe. Also, I do know that the porn industry in the US is growing instead of shrinking. The law in economics dictates that a business could only grow if there is a profit to be made. The porn industry revenue nowadays gets boosted from an exclusive subscription basis, live casting, live session. Unless you pay a subscription, It is very difficult to make a copy of it when they are newly launched like you would have found in the old days. In the old days people could simply duplicate it from hard media CD / DVDs and distribute it. Some people are profiting from this illegal activity. Certainly, in the future hackers might be able to crack it but by that time they have break-even from their production cost or even make profit from that scenes. Also they might have used new technologies that make it more difficult to crack or to copy. Also even if got cracked and people could get copy it for free or know where to get it for free, there is a still be a barrier for this.

Regarding the comment "Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence" might be true (I do not know). But the ongoing rate in the porn industries are well known as it is well reported in the main medias. A few people already know it since a long time ago. But you do not need to do deep research to find information; Spending a few minutes searching will do. These are just one of a few examples (see attached) with a few minute work.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/porn...gets-paid.html

"Here's how things break down. For a "traditional" sex scene between a man and a woman, the average actress' compensation is typically between $800 and $1,000, depending on the studio's budget. Top-tier performers can earn as much as $1,500, occasionally $2,000, while newcomers with bad representation might earn as little as $300".

In the headlines sometimes people read a few-pornstars are getting paid a few hundred thousand US$ per scene. Many of these news are only for publicity stunts where they get paid from their own production companies. Even a male pornstar like Kieran Lee boasting his income from porn, making the publicity stunt insuring his cock. But when people pay themselves the money will go back to their own pockets, thus they will be able to quote any figure they want to.

A few people think that most people visiting FKK, people in this ISG are ordinary John, who just see the sex industry from the German FKK perspective. A few people in this ISG think that other people do not travel worldwide, do not go to places other than German FKK. Well, you don't need to spend a lot time to find out that this is far from the truth. Let alone for people who have been more than a decade in this forum (starting from the old WSG forum).

[Mr Ho]

Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.

Please elaborate LOL!

[Steve 9696]

So strangely this club northwest of theüsseldorf has five stars on Google. Fake reviews? Admission is only 20 so that seems suspect. Anyone ever been. Any intel?

[Steve 9696]

Any recommendations for FKK or other fun near here?

[Mongerer88]

It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will invoice a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour is still competitive. If you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.

Porn is a loss leader in the USA Sex industry. Because it is simply copied and distributed, no one makes money in porn, with the possible exception of a few fetish genres.

The USA Women doing $600 porn shoots are using the clips as part of an Onlyfans presence or even as marketing as part of independent escorting, or both.

Some of you guys who only see the world of sex work from within a German FKK really need to study the worldwide industry. It is bigger and better paying than you realize, particularly in the USA.

[Mr Ho]

Look at the Woodman Casting X website and see how hot many of the girls are. This is just one of many examples "Trixxxie Fox" a Dutch new comers. As a new comer, you could not easily find her on many porn sites. She might qualify as a catwalk model, considering her look, age and figure: Tall 179 cm, quite slim, blue eyes, Natural Blond. She "might" be available for booking as an escort, under a different name than her screen name, like many other pornstars in Europe if you spend time searching it.

All of us mongers have interest to preserve our environments; not to destroy them. When all people start thinking the girls in Europe should get paid the same as the girls in the US, AU, CA, etc than that is the start of the destruction of our own environment. That argument is also absurd as the other parts of the world is a different sub-environment, different supply and demand, different law, different wages, etc. Also consider the travelling cost, accommodation, opportunity cost, etc. We have seen the destruction of RLD in Amsterdam. The Dutch people are even need to travel to outside Amsterdam, Germany, or Spain or even to Asia to continue their mongers. What you do not want is that someday you will no longer be able travel to Europe for mongers as the price is the same with those in other countries like the US, AU, CA, etc.

If you look at the Czech, Prague board many mongers start complaining the skyrocketing rate in comparison to the pay-rise they get. Some FKKs in Germany have started the slippery slope journey where the number of visitors start to decline. I believe, many of punters are not ordinary John and could effort to pay even more than ten times the current rates. But it will be a different matter if you just come once in a few years compared to other people who come on regular basis, sometimes a few times a week.

Woodman produces a porn scene almost every single week, where he is also starring them. Considering the duration of his careers in porn industry, arguably, he probably has fucked stunners more than anyone else in this world. You do not want that some days the girls like in his scenes are exclusively only for the people like Woodman. Keep in mind many punters might have a much better looks, more fit and younger than him. It is just a matter of time if all people start thinking the girls should get paid similar to the US, AU, CA, etc

Well how do we get the girls from porn agencies to film POV? What are the porn agencies that provide you with porn actress, but I presume they are only for professional and we need contact to film the scene not just paying!

[Mr Ho]

See the enclosed photo of hunger stone from 1616. ""If you can see me, weep", recording the drought of then and now. As Pink Floyd sang, "Another brick in the wall".

What is this hunger stone? They scratch the wall because they are hungry or?

[Mr Ho]

It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US I also already post evidence in my previous post, they get paid around $600 (lower scale) per shoot.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.

Then why aren't we filming POV porn as it is cheaper than our hobby trip to Germany that I spend minimum around 5000 euro LOL!

[Adindas]

As for Porn, Woodman used to get better girls back in early 2000's, some day he still get it right, but I wonder where he get those some of the stunners from for such cheap rates! What are the porn agencies he uses and how can we book those girls for our private shooting with our phone camera etc, but I guess it is almost only open for professional porn industry people! But here, I can fuck some of them! I wonder how it works in Europe!

It is not cheap, that is the ongoing rate in porn industry. Even in the US they get paid around $600 in average per shoot (see attached). Keep in mind in porn scene it will involve a few hours work, Bareback, DAP, GB, sometimes with three holes are penetrated at the same times with giant cocks. That is why the FKKs price EUR50 half hour (or EUR 100 per hour) is still competitive. If you do a few hours and you include all extras such as Filming, DAP, BB, GB, you are already paying more than a pornstar get paid.
The Japanese production companies also make AMWF scene regularly such as in Kin8tengoku. They sometimes make shooting in Hungary, Czech Republic, Russia. If you want to make a porn scene presumably you will need to trace them from their social networking sites or contacting their agents.