German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Pistons]

Why? Mondial is in Cologne and Magnum is not in Dusseldorf. The address speaks for itself. Furthermore, Mondial is the exact same distance from Cologne city center as Samya. See attached images.

Plus Mondial is worth mentioning for its 30 Euro pricing.

OK, I admit you are right here. But technicalities. LR and Magnum are the same distance from Dusseldorf it seems too as a random fact.

[Sirioja]

Could be too much stress in Switzerland. Could be too much competition in Switzerland. Could be not enough customers in Switzerland. I believe Luana GT worked in Switzerland before. She came back to Germany.

I know one tall blond escort from Hamburg who charged only 150 EUR per hour and she was always overbooked. After our 60 minute session, she showed me her phone. 30 missed calls. At 150 EUR per hour, I think she can make 40 bookings in the week, so 6000 per week. If she increased her rate to 500 EUR per hour, I think she would have 0-1 bookings each day, so maybe only 2000 per week.

I know a few girls from Germany to Globe: Megan, Isabella, Katalina, Jessika silicon ex World, Aurelia ex Sharks, none of them plan to return to German business. Mio told me she miss her clients at GT, but better money at Globe. Only girls who are not good enough to get business in Switzerland return to Germany. Megan is not so strong in mind, I saw her crying at Sharks, but she has no problem about Globe since 1 year.

Guy who paid me and a German girl at GT, to let him watch my foreplay, gave me information about a real model, 1,77, German escort, and I met her on first time in a club. She told me her rates, but when I asked her, returning from room, how much she wanted? 200 for 2 hours, despite many extras. Anywhere we met later, always 50 per 30 mn, extras included. Exceptional in bed, exceptional stamina, great beauty, on December and January.

[Takedown]

Girls I know who moved to Switzerland don't plan to return to Germany for less than half rate. Girls want money.

Jana at Aca returned from Switzerland.

Ellie at Oase returned from Switzerland.

Ella / Kim at Oase returned from Switzerland.

Isabella at Samya returned from Switzerland.

Anja from various clubs went from Switzerland to Germany back to Switzerland back to Germany and back to Switzerland for now.

[Takedown]

This quite frequently includes the cost to stay at club provided "Hotel" which probably falls below what is considered minimal standards for refugees, which the ladies pay 15-25 per night with restrictions applied by the club such as minimum working hours, control of start time and days off, etc. The reason the club can apply such requirements are largely related to a couple factors: landlords won't rent to the women because they don't have a work contract or they fear the women will entertain from the home, ladies don't want to be locked into a long term contract which would prevent them from moving on if business is bad.

I never really feel that girls live in harsh conditions at most clubs. From the pics and videos I've seen, it's similar to living in a university dormitory. They have roommates much like university students. You share showers and bathrooms. Most clubs also have a common area for cooking and eating. Since these girls are also in their early 20's, it is very much like they are going to university. Oase, Sharks, Mainhattan, and World have this set up. These same clubs do not really impose restrictions. They just have to pick between day shift or night shift and work the required hours for that shift. I heard some girls mention that years ago Mauro at Oase made girls who stayed in the dorms ask permission to leave the club on their days off. Apparently he does not do that anymore.

There are some clubs that also provide a rental house a couple of kilometers nearby. I know Living Room, GoldenTime, and and Finca have properties a few kilometers away for girls to rent. Girls say that it is just a normal house where they share a bedroom with other girls.

There are however a few clubs that may fall under your refugee comparison. They (illegally) allow girls to sleep in the working rooms and provide nothing else. The only good part is that the girls tell me that the club does not charge them extra so long as they just pay the daily entry.

One club in Cologne sets some girls schedule in exchange for free lodging and free entrance. Her day would go something like this: Club opens at 11am and she must be ready. She works until 4pm when she can take a break. She goes and sleeps in one of the upstairs rooms and must return by 7pm. She then has to work until closig time around 3am and as late as 6am if the club manager decides to keep the club open later on weekends or busy Messe days. On really bad days, she has to wake up and return to work at 11am and do it again. Thats a brutal couple of work days especially considering hours of being pounded. A heartbreaking thing I overheard while in the club was when she was so tired after pulling that schedule for 3 days straight, she asks a manager at 2:30am if she could call it a night and he just said no and that she must work until closing time. There were a dozen other girls free and he wouldnt even give her 30 minutes. At least she just stayed with me on the couch for 30 more minutes. She was basically asleep on my lap the whole time.


As far as private rentals, 2 years ago one girl told me that once she got her tax papers, her rent went from 1400 euro / month to 800/ month.

[Takedown]

If you want to mention Mondial for Cologne, I guess you could mention Magnum in Dusseldorf as well. Neighter are any big favourites on this board however, but Magnum is quite easy reach by bus / train within Dusseldorf (Erkrath).

Why? Mondial is in Cologne and Magnum is not in Dusseldorf. The address speaks for itself. Furthermore, Mondial is the exact same distance from Cologne city center as Samya. See attached images.

Plus Mondial is worth mentioning for its 30 Euro pricing.

[Mr Ho]

In theory there should not be any surplus other than short-term and locational imbalances. When there is a short term surplus, some girls will move to another club or return to Romania.

As long as Romanians can freely come to work in German FKKs, there will be a clearing price where the demand and supply curves meet for each quality of girls in each location. The quality of the girls and the location matters as they determine the demand curves. The supply curves are determined by wages in Romania and cost of living in each location in Germany..

I actually find Romanian girls fair for upselling and matter the fact, they do not upsell at all to me, it is Germans who try to upsell hardcore. Romanains always give me fair session, Romanian only lie about their nationality claiming to be Spanish or Italian, but never up sell me.

[Smoke Light]

Why some FKK girl upsell for licking ball, yet other girl provide licking ball as standard services?

Pure upsell. A foolish basis for this is common "knowledge" among some girls that man's balls come to physical contact with his asshole, therefore, it's dirty and price wise should be on par with rimming. Instead of paying extra, ask a girl why, and if you hear this or similar misconception, educate her.

The second reason may be hairy balls. Shaved balls and trimmed or shaved pubic hair makes it much easier for a girl to include BL in her standard BJ service.

[Chongmal]

See attached graph. At least with nurses in a study that took place in Minnesota, when employers offered $80K, there was a surplus of nurses (41K were willing to work, but only 32K available jobs). When employers were offering only $55K, there was a labor shortage (45K available jobs, but only 20K willing workers). Conclusion: When pay is good, many are willing to work. When pay is bad, people would rather stay home, move to a different location to work, or choose a different profession.

Can we agree that there is an surplus of WGs at most FKKs? Even though the official rate is only 50 EUR per 30 minutes, many WGs still seem eager to work. Does that suggest that the rates are set correctly?

Many would argue that there is a shortage of "stunner-level" WGs. Jnpr, would surely say, that 50 EUR buys you less and less service. In other words, the Hessen megaclub WGs all see 50 per 30 minutes as a "suggested price". They are confident that they can easily make more than this, and that is why they are willing to work.

https://opentextbc.ca/principlesofeconomics/chapter/4-1-demand-and-supply-at-work-in-labor-markets/

This is slightly off topic but I feel somehow relates. Talking with Ladies in NRW, I have a strong indication their annual operating expenses are roughly €36 k unless someone is providing them a place to stay. This quite frequently includes the cost to stay at club provided "Hotel" which probably falls below what is considered minimal standards for refugees, which the ladies pay €15-25 per night with restrictions applied by the club such as minimum working hours, control of start time and days off, etc. The reason the club can apply such requirements are largely related to a couple factors: landlords won't rent to the women because they don't have a work contract or they fear the women will entertain from the home, ladies don't want to be locked into a long term contract which would prevent them from moving on if business is bad.

Another thing I find interesting is that many women say that medical treatment in Germany or the Netherlands is too costly because they don't fall into the local national insurance systems. Many fly back to their home countries for medical treatment. This may change after the ladies have been enrolled in the local tax systems for the first year.

Given these conditions for housing and medical treatment, I feel that it increases the likelihood that women coming from countries with a lower standard of living will be found in FKK / Sauna clubs.

[BigBuddy69]

Why some FKK girl upsell for licking ball, yet other girl provide licking ball as standard services?

Because they always find some happy to pay more.

[Pistons]

Very hard for the club to reverse this without spending a large amount of money on a sustained basis to restore the brand. Their efforts in the last 2 years to increase numbers of customers through cheap entry promotions expectedly failed. Only economics solution is to move the supply curve of stunners by subsidising them for a sustained period to restore the brand. But then, in the real world, this would probably lead to a revolt by the rank and file.

I agree with your post mainly here and especially on what I haven't quoted. But to add a few things:

- The cheap entry promotions did work on an economic basis even if world probably didn't gain from it, the total pool of money earned by the girls in the entire sub-group of the prostitution industry competing with World (including Oase, Sharks, Palace etc) all gained, while the clubs themselves lost an equal amount of market share of the total money pool spent. And this shift added income to the girls which some of them may have abused in attaining easier upsells. The big problem I see with this is just the general idea of all upsells being 50 euro instead of 10 euro or even 20. Or in the case where they would increase the market potential: just more rooms at 50 e!

- Your last idea have been used by at least two clubs from what I know. In one instance it turned out like you expected here, and several girls left the club after finding out. In the other instance there was a catch involved, and girls are thus more fine with it. I am not sure I should say too much in here regarding that though.

[DrDemo]

I really like the smaller clubs with a cozy atmosphere and I also have a preference for places where girls are generally willing to go all the way right there on the couch. Eva's Tabulose in Monchengladbach was ideal but now closed I think. Blue Note in Dusseldorf was another personal favorite but also closed. Today, my best bet is Bernds and then one or two of the smaller RTCs like Grimberg but even smaller would be better. FKK or flat rate is both fine.

Any suggestions from the ISG's gurus out there?

[The Cane]

Why some FKK girl upsell for licking ball, yet other girl provide licking ball as standard services?

I've never paid to get my nuts sucked and never will! And plenty of girls have done that for me too. I never ask for it. I think for some things, if you ask for it, then a swindling gold digger with only short-term thinking in mind will try to make some extra money off of you. Don't pay these tutes extra to get your nuts sucked! Same thing with kissing. I like it (getting nuts sucked and kissing), but never asked for it and never paid extra for either one. One thing I have noticed over the years is that the Polish girls and the Brazilian girls are the ones who seem to be particularly fond of suckling on them there nuts! Weird.

[TankTank123]

See attached graph.
Can we agree that there is an surplus of WGs at most FKKs? Even though the official rate is only 50 EUR per 30 minutes, many WGs still seem eager to work. Does that suggest that the rates are set correctly?

Many would argue that there is a shortage of "stunner-level" WGs. Jnpr, would surely say, that 50 EUR buys you less and less service. In other words, the Hessen megaclub WGs all see 50 per 30 minutes as a "suggested price". They are confident that they can easily make more than this, and that is why they are willing to work.

https://opentextbc.ca/principlesofeconomics/chapter/4-1-demand-and-supply-at-work-in-labor-markets/

In theory there should not be any surplus other than short-term and locational imbalances. When there is a short term surplus, some girls will move to another club or return to Romania.

As long as Romanians can freely come to work in German FKKs, there will be a clearing price where the demand and supply curves meet for each quality of girls in each location. The quality of the girls and the location matters as they determine the demand curves. The supply curves are determined by wages in Romania and cost of living in each location in Germany.

So, there are multiple demand and supply curves, and the 50 euro per minute is just the base from which negotiation starts. Stunners of course see a much higher demand curve and thus command higher prices for the same service. While the fat Asian at Sharks has to lower her price to 30 euros and include additional services from what I hear due to the lower demand curve of girls of her quality.

In Globe, the supply curve is shifted drastically leftwards due to quality controls imposed by the club (and partly the cost of living for the girls there), hence the ability to set the price almost double that in Germany.

I think the new condom law and registration shifts the supply curve slightly leftwards also as some girls fear getting booted out of the club if exposed. The price for the same set of services thus goes up, through extra charging for BBBJ where they can get away with it. In the event that some customers are actually one day caught and prosecuted and this is widely publicised, the demand curve would then shift downwards and prices might go back down somewhat.

And here is my hypothesis on what happened to World. Misguided management about 3 years ago thought that they could spur demand by controlling supply through the imposition of strict timetables on the girls. The strict regime reduced the cost-benefit of the better ones and drove them off to other clubs. The perceived reduction of the quality of the supply shifted the demand curve permanently down (damage to brand), resulting in lower prices (reflected in lowered entry fees) and reduced quantity.

Very hard for the club to reverse this without spending a large amount of money on a sustained basis to restore the brand. Their efforts in the last 2 years to increase numbers of customers through cheap entry promotions expectedly failed. Only economics solution is to move the supply curve of stunners by subsidising them for a sustained period to restore the brand. But then, in the real world, this would probably lead to a revolt by the rank and file.

[Mr Ho]

Why some FKK girl upsell for licking ball, yet other girl provide licking ball as standard services?

Soon they be charging for looking at them, well if it get worst, we got Zurich.

[Jolokia]

Why some FKK girl upsell for licking ball, yet other girl provide licking ball as standard services?