German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Bfsie]

Let me tell you maybe you don't know sex places like brothels outside of FKK clubs. Some of brothels have minimum 120 euro per session (see the following link as an example) and I know some of them are out of business because of this kind of minimum 120 euro rule.

http://www.6relax.de/club/name/orien...m_a/club_14697

Actually I know that the prices in most of the brothels in NRW are not based on "market" supply and demand because if they follow the market supply and demand, there would be no girls willing to work there.

[Citizen Kane]

The value of fifty note in 2002 is not the same as the value of a fifty in 2018. The girls feel it and it does not matter what the cost of living is like in Romania as it is all relative. A fair amount of what is earned is still spent in Germany so that is German prices that need to be kept up. This is inflation.

But Euro inflation between 2002 and today is only about 30%. 50E in 2002 is worth about 65E today. Seems like quite a few girls are operating in 100% inflation mode though.

[McAdonis]

How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?

WGs would be disciplined by management if they charged under the base 50 EUR rate (or the other WGs may intimidate her).

Many WGs in fact lower their rates. You have WGs working at 40 E /30 min clubs that formerly worked at 50 E /30 min clubs, service more or less stays the same. You have WGs that escorted for 250 E /60 min in the UK, now working at 50 E /30 min clubs in Germany. They could have went to Austria or Switzerland, but chose Germany.

[Member #4585]

How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?

Even workers in normal jobs do not have 100% utilization. Are you saying that there is no chit chat, blah, blah, blah, no breaks, no lunch breaks, no meetings that do not end up concluding anything? That is, in your work, can you honestly say that you are working for every minute of the day performing value add?

What you are talking about now is productivity. If your workers provide low productivity then their wage growth is low meaning you can always get more workers instead of investing in infrastructure. When worker productivity improves or workers become less in number then wage growth accelerates. Supply and demand.

[BigBuddy69]

If any reader is interested in a pregnant girl and happens to be in the area, check out this girl. I did her about a week ago. She is 6-month pregnant, 18 years old, ethnic german and blond hair which is different hair color on her photo. Her service was OK with DFK and others. For me the repetition factor is 6 out of 10 (10 means definitely repeat and 0 means definitely not repeat).

https://www.royal-passion.com/cms/in...article&id=235

Thanks for the info, but I thought it was now strictly forbidden. Unfortunately I come back only in July.

[Bfsie]

How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?

[Member #4585]

I agree with what Jnpr30 says. What he writes makes sense.

Jnpr30 says that the purchasing power of 50 E is continuously sliding, has been sliding, for a long time. I have seen this too. Maybe others have not, but once again, we are talking trends and not isolated cases.

The service and value one receives for a 50 buck note in the FKKs is not what it once was. The service levels are variable but the overall trend is downwards unless one opts for the 100 buck note level more and more. Going for the higher amount per session goes to show that the 50 is not buying what it once was.

50 is suck and fuck. It is becoming that DFK, DATY, 69, BLS, fingering the rosette, and rimjob needs a hundred bucks, if not more, since some enterprising girls are charging each of those as an extra and saying that the Reception condones this, and challenging to go ask since Reception says to all incoming customers that 50 is for suck and fuck and anything else is between you and the girl.

The service is suck and fuck and you are lucky if the time allotment is above 15 let along 20 minutes rather than 30 minutes since the girl will be calling time on your ass in many cases. Once again, it is not helpful, as Jnpr30 says, to say that this does not happen to you, to your FKK friend or to your father who comes to the club with you, since we are talking about trends over thousands of cases and not sub segments of monger.

There are few safe havens, not even Sharks, and those safe havens. The optics are not to my specification in looks I am afraid as much as I would like to lower my standards I know deep down I cannot and will not.

The value of fifty note in 2002 is not the same as the value of a fifty in 2018. The girls feel it and it does not matter what the cost of living is like in Romania as it is all relative. A fair amount of what is earned is still spent in Germany so that is German prices that need to be kept up. This is inflation.

As for the supply and demand matrix that Jnpr30 proposes, take the example of the codgers, young and old, that have the opportunity to attend the clubs on the quiet days and take advantage of the desperate girls wanting to make a euro note and accepting the fiddy note as to not accept the service request for that fiddy would mean not making entrance or coming away net positive as opposed to net negative. I wish I could do that but there are other obligations other than FKK in play here. I am doing my best, trying to make things right.

Not all mongers have the opportunity to go at these quiet times to take advantage of the supply / demand dynamics involved here, but some codgers do. These codgers reap the rewards of the over supply exceeding demand at these times.

There are guys I know who are coming less and less as the excitement is not there or the wow factor is gone.

I know I have become more selective now and less willing to risk a 50 due to the bad experiences that a 50 will provide.

There is nothing super unusual about a prostitute in a club that the laws of supply and demand breakdown. If it seems that way, the issue is with our faulty analysis.

Let me put it this way. The stated price is 50 E for x.

What is x?

Used to be BBBJ + CFS 30 min.

Is that all?

When I first began reading here 5 or 6 years ago, all senior members told me, no. Some amount of couch was included they said. What about DFK, do I need to pay? "No, included, you don't have to pay for it additionally". DATY? "Ditto, included, don't pay". BLS? Rim job? "Hmm, a bit more grey area, but many girls include it, and definitely no need to pay extra for BLS. Rim job, some may want more money".

And is that fully 30 min? "Yes, you are entitled to that full 30 min, you paid for that time".

The question is, if you aggregated and averaged over all the sessions in all the clubs, which would total several millions per year, will we have the same x as it was 6 years ago or 10 years ago?

What do we have today? Some or many or most shortchange on time, and 30 min is really 22 or 25 min if one strictly timed it. Some or many girls flat out refuse 30M50 E sessions. Some or many refuse BBBJ and DFK in 30/50. Same with DATY. BLS? Forget it, not even in 100E60M session. Couch time? Gone the way of dodo. Badgering for tips? Yes, many girls do it. Costco pricing model of "service available only if you buy in bulk amounts" yes, widely prevalent.

You can go down the list and make the comparison yourself.

If x was the service level which included all the above stuff in 2008, was it at that same level in 2011, and where was it in 2013,2015, 2017, and today?

And please, no sub-segments. None of this "a supermonger like HB and other locals like him still get the same x as he / they dd in 2008". We are talking about the actual service achieved and averaged in all the millions of sessions. Of course, we are not in the rooms, we don't know what happens in each session, but we have enough sample points in this forum to make a best guesstimate.

I have no doubt in my mind that the purchasing power of 50E is continuously sliding, has been sliding, for a long time. And it was not just a one time change on 7/1/17 or 1/1/18 or whatever magical date. Those dates might caused a bigger change than normal, but this has been a gradual, one directional loss of purchasing power for a long time, in my view.

And I am not interested in scapegoats either. "Asians caused it, 2017 law chaged it, yadda yadda". It is what it is.

And in all this time, other than clubs now saying "BBBJ is banned by law", they didn't change their list price. All these changes happened strictly as a result of girls and dudes coming together and negotiating.

So, to say supply / demand doesn't work is flat out wrong. It does. It DID.

[Bfsie]

If any reader is interested in a pregnant girl and happens to be in the area, check out this girl. I did her about a week ago. She is 6-month pregnant, 18 years old, ethnic german and blond hair which is different hair color on her photo. Her service was OK with DFK and others. For me the repetition factor is 6 out of 10 (10 means definitely repeat and 0 means definitely not repeat).

https://www.royal-passion.com/cms/in...article&id=235

[Bfsie]

Jnpr30,

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to my opinion. Let's let the readers think of what to take from our posts.

[TankTank123]

When you pay for 60 min, does that included multiple finishes? Is this something you need to clarify with the girl, or is it generally assumed (one way or the other).

Yes, it is included and there is no need to clarify; although I seldom succeed with a 2nd finish within 60 minutes. I extend to 60 minutes when I like the girl sufficiently in the first 30 minutes to just play around in various positions, and save my load for the last 10 minutes before the hour is up.

[Mr Ho]

Other than the "extra" service, GFE is what I think is causing most of the upselling for most members. I'm good with a basic suck and fuck, had no problems getting 50/60 E 30 min rooms in any of the clubs I was at (Sharks, Oase, Artemis, Magnum).

That normal BBBJ suck made it into option list, that is the biggest problem LOL I was like you before, but when rubber comes in for sucking, well I still get it so far in most clubs, but not for long I think.

[ZfNuka]

I very rarely go to Mainhatten, but early this month, having a 4-hour gap in Frankfurt between train journeys, I made a quick dash to Mainhatten. So here are 3 data-points for what they are worth, of the girls I sessioned with (all slim and pretty and willing to kiss):

Natasha, 30 minutes, 50 euros (claimed to be new)
Maria, 30 minutes, 50 euros (not recommended).
Dana, 60 min, 100 euros (claimed to be Italian)

All without negotiation, and without any upselling although I am an unknown to them. (I extended my session with Dana to 60 minutes without her asking.)

But I must concede that BJs were all covered. I did not bother to negotiate on this as I was headed to Bernd's the following evening where I know I will get everything I want.

When you pay for 60 min, does that included multiple finishes? Is this something you need to clarify with the girl, or is it generally assumed (one way or the other). I only ever opt for 20-30 minute sessions in the event that I can only finish 1 x. But I love the idea of going for round 2 with the same girl.

[Mr Ho]

Well I did not say that though. But as far as FKK in Hessen and I am only talking stunner level girls, forget 50 euro for GFE service.

Now Artemis always has been up sell club too, but I used to once in a while get full session for 50 euro from stunner girls, which I later switch to longer session from second or third room with such girl as a gesture of appreciation and also that was partly her game to lead to that anyways. But now you can also forget 50 euro good session with stunner.

I am only reffering to stunner here.

For 60 euro sorry my bad. But 60 euro 30 min full session, but now you can forget that at artemis, as of 2015 as I left at 2015.

Only place I can think of to get full service for standard price 30 min is NRW FKK, the problem is it is hard to find new young stunner level girls lately anywhere as far as FKK, I don't know studios etc.

However, it is not paying minimum so I don't care as long as I get what I want for max max 150 euro per hour, but stunner girls are going for 200 euro per one hour which I negotiate down to 150 euro per hour. I hate this negotiation which kills the mood a bit.

I do miss however of just going for quick 30 min session BBBJ and fuck with girls between sessions, I still get it here and there, but with negotiation most of time and I hate that, and I miss before July 1st last year is what I mean.

Whole FKK meaning was easy access to sex with stunners, now we have to look for stunner travelling all over the country even go across border to Zürich maybe and often in Germany good session comes with some kind of negotiation, it is only few minutes of discussing price etc, but it really is annoying. I like fixed price fixed service policy and for that globe can suit me in future if German FKK scene get more negotiation with uncertainty.

[Mr Ho]

Magic lighting LOL. Thanks for the tip. Always have to get a close up look in dark places. I plan my trips around Fri-Sun. Thursdays at clubs seems to be okay, but Mondays from my experience are dead. I like lots of choices in my club to up the odds of finding a girl, and don't like it if I'm one of the few guys in the club since I turn down so many girls that they don't like me because of it. It gets hostile from them when I'm walking around and they want a room, and since I'm there all day.

Other than the "extra" service, GFE is what I think is causing most of the upselling for most members. I'm good with a basic suck and fuck, had no problems getting 50/60 E 30 min rooms in any of the clubs I was at (Sharks, Oase, Artemis, Magnum).

Yeah, you do not want to get into room and kiss her and few second before the lip and tongue intact you realize, oh my god what have I done to myself after looking at her face close up LOL.

I call this light magic of German FKK main bar LOL. This is why for every club I got my I am not moving from here no matter what seating position, so I can look at girls face without light magic LOL LOL!

[TankTank123]

At which Hessen clubs did you experience such upselling?
IME the only club (s) in Hessen you can experience such prices as a general rule is at the most ill-reputated club, FKK Palace (and possibly FKK Mainhattan), on busy nights, and only if you act like a sucker.

I very rarely go to Mainhatten, but early this month, having a 4-hour gap in Frankfurt between train journeys, I made a quick dash to Mainhatten. So here are 3 data-points for what they are worth, of the girls I sessioned with (all slim and pretty and willing to kiss):

Natasha, 30 minutes, 50 euros (claimed to be new)
Maria, 30 minutes, 50 euros (not recommended).
Dana, 60 min, 100 euros (claimed to be Italian)

All without negotiation, and without any upselling although I am an unknown to them. (I extended my session with Dana to 60 minutes without her asking.)

But I must concede that BJs were all covered. I did not bother to negotiate on this as I was headed to Bernd's the following evening where I know I will get everything I want.