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[DrPoon]

My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.

The decline of America started in the 1970's. From that point on each generation made less money than the one before it. The hours of work increased and the pay adjusted for inflation decreased. The middle class was obliterated, and the female to male ratio decreased thereby leaving extra men. The government started putting men in jail for having sex or attempting to have sex, raised the age of consent across the board thereby diluting the market of available women. It disarmed law abiding citizens and put guns in the hands of gang members and drug dealers, then legalized drugs (marijuana) and in some states other drugs too. In sum, the USA is in the dark ages.

[Turgid]

As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!

My golden years were in the 1970's and 1980's and guess where? In the good old USA. I have mongered all over the world and the best mongering for me ever was in NYC back then. Hot girls of FKK quality for $20 and $30 but even at that price I could not afford to bang much more than once or twice a week but the service was out of this world. I went to Amsterdam in my first trip to Europe in 1973 but could not afford to bang even one girl as I was very low on cash. I returned in 1992 but did not find the mongering any better than back home, probably about the same. How the USA has fallen since then but I have great memories.

[Turgid]

How did you find the interview to be Porn star?......

This was way back in the 1970's when I used to frequent, among others, a porn establishment called Show World Center in NYC. They used to have peep shows with videos and live girls. There were three levels and one level had live sex shows with couples and lesbians. I got to know some of the guys working there and was told where I could go to 'audition' for porn videos. I had too many family members and relatives to do that.

[Adindas]

Pierre Woodman is the pride of all French men LOL! Unlike other wimp girly french man in FKK, Pierre Woodman knows how to fuck professional girls properly like man LOL! All this cien, suka spanking LOL! But all that for 900 euro? Those girls must be so stupid LOL! Whatta amazing job he has LOL! But I doubt he make a lot of money though, but enough I guess LOL!
Pierre Woodman has small french mini size penis though, no wonder why some french men are often complex about their size of penis LOL!

Well it is not necessary stupid if you see about the supply and demand in porn industries in Europe and if you consider that the shooting is not in Japan.

You will not be surprised if you know how much these girls get paid for a porn scene from agents in their own countries like in Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia. In fact, Woodman pay rate is already in the upper middle scale and in many occasions he is shooting his porn scene from those countries to minimise the cost.
He normally get his girls from Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Moldova. He sometimes also gets some US, UK pornstars to play in his scene.

Some people get blinded thinking that porn industries are glamorous, looking into the headlines how much the star like Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick, etc earn. Well the figures you see in the headlines are the figures where they pay themselves from their own production companies. When you pay yourself you could quote the figure whatever you want to.

[The Cane]

I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet!

Japanese people were disgusted to see westerners blowing their noses in handkerchiefs and then sticking the "snot rags" in their pockets! This was a "dirty habit" that the Japanese people vowed never to adopt LOL!

[Mongerer88]

I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?

Yes, Tijuana is very popular among Americans.

I sincerely hope that no one bases their views of the USA, nor Tijuana, on the posts of Dr. Poon. Not sure where he is from.

The unhygienic survival sex workers likely constitute 0. 1 percent of the USA Scene, if that. Seeing one of them, given the neighborhoods in which they operate, is far more dangerous than taking the tram and walking to known places in Tijuana along with the large crowds walking along the streets.

Is there more safety risk in Tijuana than San Diego? Of course, but it is still a very low risk in percentage terms, as can be observed from the numerous ISG posts of guys going there.

Most guys in Southern California would choose among the following:

A Korean lady in LA's Koreatown that would likely be $350-$450 an hour, with some limited screening.

An independent non-Asian escort who screens rather heavily and has reviews on escort review boards and is likely in the $500-$600 an hour range.

An escort participating in the mass classified ad system in the $200-$350 an hour range. She will likely be a step down from the first two options. Not only will he incur some law-enforcement risks, but she may be a drug user and she might provide a lower level of service.

A trip to Tijuana where he can match what he would get from the first two options at a much lower price. Although he is surprisingly more likely to encounter CBJs in Tijuana than in the first two options. However, a small tip can often overcome this issue.

I don't recognize this USA That Dr. Poon describes.

Of course there is the Sugar Baby system that is unlike traditional sex work. A person can read that ISG thread. It is certainly also very popular in California.

This is what most guys in California would evaluate and compare to a trip to Europe. Not this strange dystopian So. Cal that DrPoon describes. Not sure participants in the street scene really have the resources to get to Europe, or jobs that take them on international journeys.

[The Cane]

Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!

I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.

[Mr Ho]

Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?

[Mr Ho]

Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.

Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!

[Mongerer88]

I understand your points, but just as I am amazed at how many ISG posters only post within the FKK forums, I think it is unrealistic in the Information Age to keep Johns and more importantly Sex Workers so uninformed about like outside the German FKK system that service-adjusted prices can remain extremely low for decades.

I would argue it is the high degree of mobility of the sex workers, and the fact that the business can now be conducted with a cell phone, WhatsApp / Telegram, Twitter and / or some form of basic advertising, and access to a trick pad that is shared with other ladies, that is driving up prices more than any other factors.

I suspect the mobility of Johns from other areas does drive up prices somewhat at FJKs, but of the dozen factors doing so, I would rank it as not contributing to the increase much. To the extent it does, it is the French arriving by train / car more so than the Americans. That might have contributed a bit to the gradual small price increases seen in Spain and Portugal, also. There just aren't enough American Johns in Europe to move the needle, and even fewer of them in the past three years.

Just like food, a price increase in one area will eventually flow throughout the world. The supply of the most desirable food will flow to the areas where the prices are the highest. Try to fight it too much and those who can't or won't pay a higher price end up with an inferior substitute. You don't want a situation where only the oldest, fattest and ugliest Eastern Europeans work at the FKKs, while the best looking and best performing Romanians researched on the Internet the best places (and best approaches) to work while in high school and acted upon that information when they graduated.

I suspect that is happening now. Whenever anyone mentions legal Nevada brothels or the street scene in conjunction with the USA Market, my antennae goes up because I know they haven't really studied the USA Market, which is now independent escorts with their own websites, a few boutique agencies, Sugar Babies, and those who insist on taking the risk of continuing to use mass classified advertising that is still attacked by law enforcement.

But when I see an FKK poster analyze the FKK market exclusively from the standpoint of the ladies working there and the Johns who exclusively go there, I am skeptical that they see the whole picture. It is technology and the sharing of information that is the enemy of the FKKs to the extent they try to maintain low prices with great looking young women providing top services. In a worldwide economy with the availability of data, it just won't work. The best sex workers will seek out the best opportunities, and the Johns who find their prices worthwhile will be their customers. If these transactions occur entirely outside of FKKs, no one is going to be concerned other than the most ardent FKK customers.

My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?

[Adindas]

Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.

The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.
A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.

It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.

The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.

My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?

[Mr Ho]

As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!

The best thing about FKK is you actually get to see the girls in real life before you choose the one to fuck, where as with escort, you only photos!

[Sirioja]

Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.

Before FKK I didn't know until end of 2012 , I started with Russian escorts in Paris on 2011 , really Russian when Ukrainians are not on same level, even I m very sorry for Ukraine now and hate dirty Putin as I always told my regular escorts. I had some from 10/11 pm until 4 am for diner + 200/250 and sometimes present, little mums becoming so horny when I bought Disney present, usually less than 50 , for kid, making them more passionate than a fashion French perfume. I remember Anna from Ufa on January 2012 on her third tour and after around 10 times with her, first going to buy a Disney present, then to restaurant for her salmon and cup of champagne. I asked her to give me her pantie under table, she looked at me with round eyes but did, I put towel under her, when we left, towel was wet. I drove to Milano or Torino for her after she was unfortunately attacked in Paris. When I m known since years from girls reports by what became Amour Russe, since few years, I book for 200/45 and when I enjoy the girl and repeat, I usually stay with her for nearly 1 hour, meaning 200/57 or 58 for super GFE top beauties. I don't see in FKK, even at Globe or Aphrodisia, girls worthing more than my best Russian escorts I get for 200/ almost 1 hour and I m fully sure we have the most fresh in Paris compare to Dubai or elsewhere, because when they first leave Russia, most Russian girls dream much more of Paris than anywhere else. Only after, they think to make more money in Dubai or fucking Asians when they become more professionnal, but they first fall from tupolev in Paris when Milano is now dead. On this year, from Moscow Victoria was exceptionnal fresh GFE kissing all along, met her many times for 200/58 . I also discovered some real NL in NL for 160/60 and free entry with a soft drink, Floor being a late 20's real beauty when she did model in Paris years ago. I met in FKK few girls on escort level: Madelina. Ro, Katalina. Ro I got at Sharks for 200/120 before following her at Globe, EMA for 300/180 on my weekly visits for months, EMA Prestige for 200/120 , my German escort for usually 300/180 . My now Rhur German is on top level escort and for behavior. But so many FKK girls don t worth what they ask, with their average or less look and low level in bed. 90% of Globe girls don t worth the rate. Almost none at Aphrodisia Zurich city, but now I know why so expensive, to pay alcohol and cocaine for drunk drugged who work in city. They should better make sport to be able to control pressure when I won t pay too expensive for them when I drink orange juice when not even apple or ananas for 280/30 but only average looks mostly with already many kilometers in business, but look is not the most important for these guys with fog in eyes and brain. You don t find most fresh prettiest in most expensive clubs. 40/50/30 Gold Dusseldorf airport and Freubad. Ch with HH giving 90/30 are probably best value for quality at the moment. Swiss Dietikon can also be good value even they increased 8% girls rate but lowered a bit entry. For 1 hour sex, 4,5% increased, quite correct for few interesting girls.

[Mr Ho]

What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.

Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.

Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.

Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.

Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.

Conferences or anything the dates can be checked is dangerous if he does not actually go, I would say actually go to these things and take photos as evidence LOL! Then off to FKK at night time LOL! So the whole thing will be half true!

[DrPoon]

If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!

Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.