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[Kosher Kowboy]

There are a few like Brandi Love -- she is annoyingly in most of these role play videos that are cropping up of late (guy fucks his GF and her step mom; that type)nd for a while)

or if my countrymen really think these are the hottest porn stars (ye gods! But I at least partly agree with your theory that normal guys have some weird preference for MILFs when I see this top 10 bunch.

Jnpr,

I apologize and fear I am one of your guilty countrymen who fall for Brandi Love and a few like her (like Zoey Holloway and the Taboo Handjob series of step moms jerking off their sons.).

After my second to last trip to Oase after I could not cum in a condom once I purchased Brandi to help me.

The other day at HEB (Our Rewe) I purchased a 12 pack of extra thick Durex condoms, a bottle of lube and right now somewhere on a truck out for delivery is a Fleshlight molded to the shape of pornstar Brandi Love's vagina en route to my house.

She ended up being hidden in the garage after a few uses so my cleaning lady would not find her and I have yet to search for her. I think I know of that that video you reference, in this particular one she takes her stepsons virginity when she fucks him with that young 20 something dark haired girl.

Like the young 20 something Romanian girl with a tattoo on her lower back at Oase who goes by Anna or Ana that I roomed with last trip. Brandi did not properly prepare me for Anna and although Anna did a great job for 50 e and had a wonderful attitude she ended up having to resort to alternative methods other than covered sexual intercourse to get me off, one that often requires a donation of an extra 50 e.

I highly recommend Anna but as for Ms. Love she has not done a very good job.

The only issue I take with your post is that although I have weird preferences for MILFs I am not sure one could actually refer to myself as ' normal'.

[Member #4581]

My unofficial research went as follows. Found a link that told me Pornhub was the most trafficked porn site. Went to Pornhub which ranks the most popular porn stars for the current month. Six of top ten are between ages of 30-45. One is under 22. Then three mid-to-late 20's. Perhaps a few of them look younger than their actual age? You can be the judge.

According to WGs at Sharks, Sylvana is 63. So she's GILF territory.

Fair point. I would assume majority of Pornhubs viewership are the teen-to-early 20's demographic (raging hormones and ample free time). However, I've asked the same question to multiple hardcore mongers before. They claim that their entire life, they have only been into girls who look 22 or younger. I believe this extends to the porn that they watch.

Pulled up Samantha Ryan and Jenni Lee, who are now 40 and 36 respectively. Apparently they are still active, so were you only fans of their early-work? Or are you also fans of the stuff they put out past the age of 35?

Oh wow, I would not have guessed the ages of Samantha Ryan and Jenni Leee, that's for sure. I have seen some newer vids off Samantha Ryan where she put on some weight, and she does not look appealing in them so I skip and seek the ones where she was much younger. Ditto with Jenni Lee. My current favorites like Alexa Grace, Elena Koshka, Lily Rader are all young and skinny girls.

I guess you could club me with those shallow mongers who prefer young, slim girls (also smaller natural tits in my case).

I had never checked out the popularity ranks on pornhub, but after seeing your post I did. Tops is Stormy Daniels, but she does not count at the moment for obvious reasons. I know the names and work of most of top 10. Some have retired I think (such as Sasha Grey; she was even in a mainstream movie called GFE). There are a few like Brandi Love -- she is annoyingly in most of these role play videos that are cropping up of late (guy fucks his GF and her step mom; that type). I notice many of these top 10 have big tits and while they were never personal favorites of mine (except Sasha Grey who I did like), it seems a lot of American guys dig big titty girls.

One theory can explain this top 10 is that several of them were considered good looking as younger porn stars (Nicole Aniston, Alexis Texas, Lisa Ann, even Mia Malkova etc have been around for a while), and their fans search and see their younger day vids -- not necessarily just their MILF work. The more vids a girl has, the more views she can get, and move up the chart. A true 22 year old takes a while before she has shot hundreds of videos, but some of these older girls have accumulated a large body of work. For example, I have not seen much of Lana Rhodes the one 22 year old on that top 10, she is quite new to me.

Still I can't explain how this group is the top 10 of this month. I don't know if this month's top 10 is particularly idiosyncratic and different, or if my countrymen really think these are the hottest porn stars (ye gods! But I at least partly agree with your theory that normal guys have some weird preference for MILFs when I see this top 10 bunch.

[McAdonis]

If it is US porn we are talking about, the so called MILF is not particularly old most of the time. Sure, there are some really older women in porn as well. But many are classified as MILF just a few years after playing teens. Samantha Ryan came into the industry when she was around 23, and in a few years moved to MILF roles as she put on some weight. Jenni Lee was branded a milf in some scenes by the time she was in mid 20s but still very slim, gorgeous... I would love to fuck Milfs like that all day.

MILF or not, she doesn't look anything like Sylvana. Perhaps Silvana is not MILF but just old.

My unofficial research went as follows. Found a link that told me Pornhub was the most trafficked porn site. Went to Pornhub which ranks the most popular porn stars for the current month. Six of top ten are between ages of 30-45. One is under 22. Then three mid-to-late 20's. Perhaps a few of them look younger than their actual age? You can be the judge.

According to WGs at Sharks, Sylvana is 63. So she's GILF territory.

I don't know if I had a MILF fantasy when I was young. Now, I go for younger girls as most do in the clubs. Perhaps it a case of opposites attract. Aren't most men in the clubs older dudes? And people said Sylvana's clientele was disproportionately younger guys

Fair point. I would assume majority of Pornhubs viewership are the teen-to-early 20's demographic (raging hormones and ample free time). However, I've asked the same question to multiple hardcore mongers before. They claim that their entire life, they have only been into girls who look 22 or younger. I believe this extends to the porn that they watch.

Pulled up Samantha Ryan and Jenni Lee, who are now 40 and 36 respectively. Apparently they are still active, so were you only fans of their early-work? Or are you also fans of the stuff they put out past the age of 35?

[Pistons]

I believe Sylvana is GILF and not MILF. But in Japan, grandma porn is growing in popularity.

[Mongerer88]

I think you made an omission, Neurosynth. Those statistics are for condomless vaginal intercourse. The vast, vast majority of sex acts at German FKKs involving vaginal intercourse has the customer wearing a condom. Also, customers at FKKs [CodeWord111] and shower after sex acts, and most of the literature involving transmission to men from vaginal sex, exclusive of tribal areas where the men routinely have cuts on the penis, suggest that the virus enters the bloodstream over several hours while the man sleeps next to the female without washing his penis after ejaculation. I think you need some more zeroes in front of your probabilities. As far as HIV is concerned as a fatality risk for a man at an FKK, he should be far more concerned about driving on the autobahn.

There should be a sticky post or something with the STD probabilities, because this seems to be a recurring question. Some of the following repeats what I've posted before. Yes, I'm only addressing HIV here. It is by far the most common *fatal* STD that can't be cured, but only controlled. But the principles below can be used with other diseases too if you look up the base statistics.

In that regard what seems to be often forgotten is that you have to multiply the probability of transmission with the probability of encountering an infected partner. That calculation significantly lowers the overall probability..

[Delta Indigo]

There should be a sticky post or something with the STD probabilities, because this seems to be a recurring question. Some of the following repeats what I've posted before. Yes, I'm only addressing HIV here. It is by far the most common *fatal* STD that can't be cured, but only controlled. But the principles below can be used with other diseases too if you look up the base statistics.

In that regard what seems to be often forgotten is that you have to multiply the probability of transmission with the probability of encountering an infected partner. That calculation significantly lowers the overall probability.

HIV rate among female German sex workers = 0. 2% or 0. 002 (20 in 10,000).

See page 14: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0. 04% or 0. 0004 (4 in 10,000).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in Germany.

= 0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008% (8 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in Germany.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in Germany your probability of HIV infection would be 0. 00584.

The probability calculations you have here are totally sound but not for all venues.

In an AO club, maybe the 0. 2% is more like 2. 0%, very low but higher than 0. 2%, or maybe lower since only streetwalkers come in higher than 0. 2%, not sure.

In a prominent FKK it is far lower than 0. 2%. But that 0. 2% assumption depends on the base, actually I would not be surprised if the AO clubs come in lower than 0. 2% for HIV. But if you are approach an IV drug using steetwalker than that is probably higher than the 0. 2% base, maybe all Sauna clubs are lower.

The risk is of course quite low, but while I am happy with BBBJ, I do not practice uncovered vaginal or anal sex, just because I have from my point of view, total peace of mind, I also have never contracted anything from BBBJ in over 10 years of receiving BBBJ, approx 100 times a year for a decade.

I would be more worried about that nasty strain of gonorrhea than HIV.

[Neurosynth]

There should be a sticky post or something with the STD probabilities, because this seems to be a recurring question. Some of the following repeats what I've posted before. Yes, I'm only addressing HIV here. It is by far the most common *fatal* STD that can't be cured, but only controlled. But the principles below can be used with other diseases too if you look up the base statistics.

In that regard what seems to be often forgotten is that you have to multiply the probability of transmission with the probability of encountering an infected partner. That calculation significantly lowers the overall probability.

HIV rate among female German sex workers = 0. 2% or 0. 002 (20 in 10,000).

See page 14: https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf.

HIV transmission rate for vaginal sex, female to male = 0. 04% or 0. 0004 (4 in 10,000).

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

The probability of becoming infected via vaginal sex with a random sex worker in Germany.

= 0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008% (8 in 1,000,000).

To put that in perspective it's more likely you could flip a coin and get 20 heads in a row than contract HIV from a random sex worker in Germany.

Put another way, if you had vaginal sex every day for 20 years with a different random sex worker in Germany your probability of HIV infection would be 0. 00584.

[Member #4581]

If it is US porn we are talking about, the so called MILF is not particularly old most of the time. Sure, there are some really older women in porn as well. But many are classified as MILF just a few years after playing teens. Samantha Ryan came into the industry when she was around 23, and in a few years moved to MILF roles as she put on some weight. Jenni Lee was branded a milf in some scenes by the time she was in mid 20s but still very slim, gorgeous... I would love to fuck Milfs like that all day.

MILF or not, she doesn't look anything like Sylvana. Perhaps Silvana is not MILF but just old.

The porn men are generally so much older. Samantha Ryan did many scenes with her real life BF who was several years older than her. She became MILF in a few years but he did not become dilf or Filf or whatever is the equivalent. The men too become old, fat and look even more disgusting (than milfs) in a few years but as long as they can get it up (which they can these days, w / the help of chemicals) they can keep their "job". Porn is a closed industry; there must be thousands of young men who can fuck under lights / camera and with audience, but most are not trying out or not connected, and the older dudes stay in the industry way past their due date. Overall, there are far fewer men in porn than women. The men have long shelf life and keep going for a decade or more, but women have a few years on average. If a man can break into the industry when young, he can keep his job even after ballooning up like a Goodyear blimp but not so for women. Most of the audience for prom is still male, and that decides who works in the industry.

I don't know if I had a MILF fantasy when I was young. Now, I go for younger girls as most do in the clubs. Perhaps it a case of opposites attract. Aren't most men in the clubs older dudes? And people said Sylvana's clientele was disproportionately younger guys

[Mr Ho]

I have one thing to add: YOLO, medically speaking of course.

Exactly. My motto is live like there is no tomorrow while I am with tute, just do not put penis into anal of tute without condom LOL.

Vagina / Anal sex without condom is one thing I love about normal girls. In USA, this could lead to half of your financial asset LOL.

Any ways, live and let live, just do not put your penis into tutes anal without condom LOL.

[McAdonis]

True story folks. We're talking Porsches built in the 70's guys.

Haha. MILF consistently ranks as top five search term in many countries. Number #1 in USA ahead of "teen".

When speaking with hardcore mongers in clubs about MILFs less than 5% admit to even sessioning a girl mid-30's or over. I am talking about MILFs in this age range and actually look their age. Overwhelming majority are disgusted by the idea. Why the divergence between mongers and general masturbating age population?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-revealed.html

[Mr Ho]

True story folks. We're talking Porsches built in the 70's guys.

I agree with old Porsche, but I do not agree with older women LOL.

Plus Porsche Oil leak from old ones can be manage, but stinky gas leak from older women is not possible to manage LOL.

I mean there is something with women over age 30. They just kinda all carry strange odor or vibe to them, like vulgar vibe.

I like beautiful girls, I absorb them like a healing medicine LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.

Anal intercourse BB risk to HIV is same for hetero and homo sexual, it is to do with dick getting cut in the ass and HIV virus going in via stomach.

I cannot be bothered to google the %, but pussy intercourse BB has rather low risk to getting HIV. HIV is hard to contract via normal sex, but in ass the highest.

Well it does not mean one should practice BB in FKK or related brothel.

Best bet for BB sex in pussy is porn star at home for me because they are all tested, so the risk is actually lower than normal tute who is not tested.

Artemis has in house medical doctor, but I wonder if the girls are tested regularly? They do go up and see the doctor sometimes, this I know, but I don't know what they do.

[Takedown]

Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.

Well, in this case Ho is comparatively right.

Transmission rates per CDC:

1.40% with receptive Anal (1 in 74).

0.11% with insertive Anal (1 in 909).

0.08% with receptive vaginal (1 in 1,250) *penis to vagina.

0.04% with insertive vaginal (1 in 2,500) *vagina to penis.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

[Trombone]

I did not know Ukraine has high HIV infection rate.
Bareback intercourse via anal is high risk, pussy intercourse is quite low still.

Risk of HIV spread with vaginal BB is not low in heterosexuals; what you are referring to is risk of HIV spread via anal intercourse is in homosexuals not heterosexuals.

[Akibono]

Where did you get this number from? From earlier discussions here and simple googling I thought it was well known that herpes in some form and maybe even genital warts were common in way over half the population. Although mostly these STD's are latent and doesn't show and signs of being there. Perhaps something like 80-90% of all sexually active people. So I believe your numbers should be over 50 million. Or do you rule out those two std's?

STDs would be quite low except for the people who go to BB clubs and then frequent the FKKs or drug users. That is why people who seek BB sex are generally shunned. They contaminate an otherwise pretty safe pool.