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[Bfsie]

I would assume that the objective of any reader who is interested in this topic is to make his quality of life as high as possible during his lifetime until the end, so there is a life strategy involved here.

If you want to have child / children, you probably don't have much choice except seeking a companionship to have kid (s) and for the kid (s) maybe you have to stick to the companions for long time to come. If you don't want kid (s), I think you should only look for companionship with love (or at least strong affection), not look for the companions just for the purpose of companionship until later in your life when you need companions because of your health reasons. The reason is that if you seek companionship too early (say in your 30's or 40's) for the purpose of taking care of you in your 70's or 80's until death, you and your companions could grow apart and get separated (or divorced) before you need companions because of your health reason (say in your 70's or 80's), so you could end up to be singles again when you really need companions for your health in your 70's or 80's (actually the chance is pretty high because of your mongering lifestyle).

So I think that it is much better to seek companionship not long before you really need it for your health reason. Timing is important here. For now if you are still relatively young and healthy and don't want kid (s), I think that you should seek companions with love (or affection) whether in real life or in FKKs, while mongering in FKK clubs.

[Pistons]

The idea of the end of life achievement summed up in monetary and biological net worth at the end of ones timespan is a philosophical matter more than anything. There are counter arguments like the guy comparing life to an mmo said: 'we don't know what happens after death. Some people think we get play through the best parts of life on a special map once you are done'. If so, the journey is way more important than your end net worth. The end net worth idea biologically is probably a result of reproductive instincs. But when it comes to the journey, the company of someone you have great chemistry with is beyone a doubt alpha omega. Ironically that also includes friends, and doesn't need to include the other sex. But it is probably better when it does, as the other sex can also make one sexually satisfied.

[Pistons]

I have to agree with Jnpr on this one. I totally don't understand that concept. I have heard it before though, and I think it is more a misunderstanding of a mix of humor and the completely opposite of women hating. No monger would hate women and at the same time spend time and money on her. And if someone says for life, then that makes the argument even stronger. It sounds like an extreme oxymoron to me.

On the contrary, married unhappy men whos sex life has died out might be the women haters if they feel restrained from having sex at all. Like locked in a jail with a chastity belt. And perhaps some posters in here have been in that situation once, but now feel liberated because they broke up an unhappy marrige. Many people just jump into marriage too soon. A woman might want to know the guy first, while the guy wants to have sex first and then know her afterwards if sexual chemistry fits. Both needs to work out past the 18 months, and not just one of them.

I have personally found fkks to be quite revealing in finding out how long I manage to sense great chemistry with different girls. Or types of girls, both personality wise and sexually. Although it has to be said that intra-FKK-drama of various kinds messes up this little study of mine a bit too often. Perhaps everyone should have the same experience with hundreds of girls before settling with one. (Just too bad most FKK girls have boyfriends LOL). Or perhaps some mongers currently feel satisfied with the exploration part. We might just be different also in focusing on the journey instead of the end goal, or counter clockwise. And some may change attitudes 180 after a few years also. But I would restrain from teaching anyone what their main goals in life has to be. That is always the works of destructive cults. Or how they begin. By using the broad meaning of the word cult, which encompasses statehood, religions, cultures etc etc. Or anything non-liberal, non-enlightenment. Another dark-ages so to speak. Another Mao.

At the very least a generalizing term such as 'women' seems odd to be hating. Maybe you hate one person in particular as a monger, but not the entire 50% of the human race. That just doesn't make sense.

Perhaps the topic also sometimes touches on humor in a chauvinistic and exaggerated form. And as a satire of current (political and religious) paradigms. But I don't think any human is a woman hating monger for life. Or even woman hater at all.

[Optimist]

Takedown. That end of life point is interesting. The correct way for leaving this world depends on whether or not the man is happy with his life. As always it depends on the individuals. All I can say is that being alone normally does not suit people in my experience (which is fairly significant). But being alone could suit some people

For me, I decided some time ago that I did not want to leave this world without meeting in as close a way as possible as many fine people as possible. So I changed my job, went to FKKS, and take holidays where one gets close to people. At the end I hope I can remember all the fine people I have met, including prostitutes, so even if physically alone I can have them with me. If anyone saw the film "Still Life" with Eddie Redmayne, the final scene sums this up in a way

Jnpr30. On the separate topic, as you are suggesting, it is all more complicated. Sometimes a person may cut themselves off from getting close to the opposite sex, and even be hostile, because they themselves want to be close but have been rejected. Always, it is hard to generalise. Such people will want sex but almost as an exercise in compensation or avoidance: maybe. Just a thought. Like you, I cannot go to a room with a girl who is hostile, rude, or indifferent

[Chongmal]

Agree with what you say in general, as you would want someone to feel sad when you go.

But unrelated to your main point I don't understand this concept of women hating hardcore monger. On one hand, they hate women, but they want to be with women, have sex with them, kiss them etc? Can't even understand how that works. Even in a FKK, when a girl is rude to me or otherwise not nice, I am so turned off, I can't have sex with that girl anymore even if she is quite pretty. How does one hate women and yet kiss them or want to be with them?

To the point Pistons is making many men also got their millions from inheritance. Especially in developing countries where upward mobility is not yet strong, many rich people got their wealth mostly from inheritance.

With all the discussions on the morale, religious and animalistic viewpoints on sexuality of men and women, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned pros and cons in relation to current events or activities observed within the clubs. I will take the pros side, and I'm speaking of positives, not the mongers and WGs.

First, my doctor tells me I should get 30 minutes of aerobic exercise at least three times per week. As a man of some years in the hobby, I'm not a quick pop. Doc didn't say the exercise couldn't happen on the same one or two days. Sex is about the only aerobic exercise I really enjoy. I view the WGs as doing a service to the elderly, helping me to maintain a higher level of health and happiness, if only I could convince my insurance company to pay.

I have even seen on multiple occasions, where men of even poorer health were taken into the clubs; about a year ago at GT, a month ago at YY and last weekend at LR. At GT, the elderly man on oxygen bottles was accompanied by a nurse. She arranged for the girl, the room and handled the financials. A friend of mine was selected for the room. She later told me the man's wish was to see a stunner, naked and playing with herself one last time. At YY I saw a man who had recently had bypass surgery, suffering heavily from adema. It was about all he could do to get up and down the stairs to the bar, but the WGs provided the motivation. At LR I witnessed a man who was visually impaired. He was helped around the club by a friend, the friend arranged the lady, helped get him to and from the room. I'm sure this man received some great benefits from his experience.

Concerning current events, I've been reading about the attack in Canada. The attacker posted his frustration about not being able to have sexual relations with any woman. He classified himself as a member of a group that refers to themselves as Involuntary Celebates, Incels for short. I can't help but think that availability to affordable, legal prostitution without a negative stigma being applied by the moral police, these so called Incels could be happy mongers. With this logic it's possible that prostitutes could be life savers, performing a service as critical as doctors, lawyers, police officers and politicians, often for the same referenced professionals previously listed.

[Mr Ho]

One thing I have to add to this conversation is that I work in healthcare and a lot of the woman hater, "hardcore monger for life" guys would probably change their tunes if they see what goes on in hospitals everyday. One of the saddest things to see in the world is an old man dying alone with no one at his bedside. Something to take heed.

I do understand what you mean, but man up, I mean we born into this world and we leave this world alone, you are not going to walk into next life if such thing exist with someone, you go alone when you leave this world, what important is what you do between when you born and when you die.

Personally, I do not want to waste my life away with so called wife who is life killer. It is all great at beginning, but she age. I mean I never get these guys who claim fucking old women is great sex. I mean it must be fetish thing to fuck old women.

I like beautiful women that I can change throughout life than having ageing wife.

I am not going to marry so that someone can hold my hand when I die. I want to die in luxury hospital with good view ready to die because I know I lived great life filled with great travelling, fucking so many beautiful girls, ate amazing food since I born till I die and never had money problem or related big stress caused by the societal system.

It is what you do in between and not the last moment, when I die I can say I lived good life not wasting so much years of my life because of aging wife.

[Sirioja]

The thing is at brothels, they offer you what you wrote with many women who do not age as we change women as we choose depend on feeling of the day, brothel begin to provide you quantity of quality who do not age.

When brothel begin to offer what I just wrote with such an each access like FKK system. It was life changer for me. You can confirm what you want before you buy her too. I mean how amazing is that and you can have multiple of women who is at stunner level on display.

For me 2009 till 2015 ish was best year main FKK bar filled with stunners of varieties, but still now, I manage to find few stunner each time I go to FKK trip, so I cannot complain for my lust..

Girls age faster in prostitution, being fucked whole days, than women in real life who stay more fresh, mainly in mind.

I was faithful to my real girlfriends, now as the worst guy according to others, I'm faithful to some escorts or FKK girls, meeting them weekly for months or years like busy Kate, going only with them, most often only 1 girl in 1 club, then no jealousy from her, no: You behave the same with others? I behave the same than in real life, and busiest prettiest come to repeat with me every week, when I don't go for a while, they ask when I will come? They don't make me wait because they know I don't like and they don't want I go with other girls.

I had great girls who were about 30 yo, some over like part timer Lena. Lat at PSR who made me drive a lot on August 2013, she would be more than 40 now and I'm pretty sure I would desire her for her charm and natural beauty.

In real life or in FKK land, I need beauty, I prefer to stay alone if I don't find a attractive girl, I don't need to have sex with a GND. Sometimes I don't find even at Globe or big Sharks, difficult for me to find pretty girls, then easy to make them will to please me, because I know a bit about women, I learned when I loved my girlfriends.

I'm not afraid about loneliness, I make my sports on my own and they are more important than brothels. Who could I take with me to kill oneself climbing Zoncolan or Mortirolo? But it s just my passion to try to perform a better climbing time. If not good, I go again as soon I recover. For free ride, security staff didn't want to let me go in la Grave, they said it s too dangerous to go alone without ARVA, I explained it s too dangerous to take somebody with me, so I prefer to go alone, I decided to go, I opened one run above Chancel lake, 2 other skiers followed when they saw me going, but when I started I didn't see and know what would happen, so better to be alone because we never know what may happen, if You lose grip and fall in rocks, ARVA won't help you, but in this passion, we know risks about rocks, avalanches, crevices, I'm very careful, I never had problems on free ride because I know better not to do a mistake when I alone, my accidents were when skiing bumps, losing control, and flying over, but we are ready for our personal passion, it s even impossible to resist to this drug. Many girls take cocaine, I need adrenaline. But single for risks.

Sports help in bed with girls. For those who try to control, when you exhaust them, then they lose control.

[MythoVirus]

One thing I have to add to this conversation is that I work in healthcare and a lot of the woman hater, "hardcore monger for life" guys would probably change their tunes if they see what goes on in hospitals everyday. One of the saddest things to see in the world is an old man dying alone with no one at his bedside. Something to take heed.

I understand your prospective as I also work in healthcare, seeing people die everyday is very depressing, however that makes me also wants to be "hardcore monger" as I keep reminded how fragile and mortal we are on a daily basis, and life is so short. This makes me want to "f" as much girls as I can, different girls for sure, those few minutes inside the room, the dopamine inducing sexual tension during the act can for at least few minutes ease my mind and feel I'm living, and life is beautiful.

I think the best way to live is to have a partner for life, I don't argue against that, but having a single partner for life is to me against all rationality and a waste of life. The magic is finding a partner to live with and love forever while still being able to practice mongering, this is what I call a life.

So putting it in mathematics.

Mongering + zero partner= depressing.

Zero mongering + one partner only for life= Waste of life.

Moderate mongering + ture partner= a life worth living.

[Member #4581]

One thing I have to add to this conversation is that I work in healthcare and a lot of the woman hater, "hardcore monger for life" guys would probably change their tunes if they see what goes on in hospitals everyday. One of the saddest things to see in the world is an old man dying alone with no one at his bedside. Something to take heed.

Agree with what you say in general, as you would want someone to feel sad when you go.

But unrelated to your main point I don't understand this concept of women hating hardcore monger. On one hand, they hate women, but they want to be with women, have sex with them, kiss them etc? Can't even understand how that works. Even in a FKK, when a girl is rude to me or otherwise not nice, I am so turned off, I can't have sex with that girl anymore even if she is quite pretty. How does one hate women and yet kiss them or want to be with them?

To the point Pistons is making many men also got their millions from inheritance. Especially in developing countries where upward mobility is not yet strong, many rich people got their wealth mostly from inheritance.

[Pistons]

It would be better if you could find something with age demographics. Both Jnpr30 and I are making the point that women are closing the gap.

I believe I've read that most millionaires (70%) are baby boomers. Born between 1946 and 1964. I propose we should leave the baby-boomers out, because I don't think there are many of us who are looking for a 54 year old wife. I'd imagine that their target range would be Gen-X, Gen-Y, where according to a study 44% of millionaires are female.

True, they are indeed closing the gap (the last article I linked pointed that out too). But more so in america and certain western European countries too I suspect than in the world as a whole.

[McAdonis]

About 15 percent of American millionaires are self-made women, BMO said, while the rest got their fortune from marriage or inheritance.

So if both sources are correct, then 27.5% of all american millionaires are women whom have married into wealth.

It would be better if you could find something with age demographics. Both Jnpr30 and I are making the point that women are closing the gap.

I believe I've read that most millionaires (70%) are baby boomers. Born between 1946 and 1964. I propose we should leave the baby-boomers out, because I don't think there are many of us who are looking for a 54 year old wife. I'd imagine that their target range would be Gen-X, Gen-Y, where according to a study 44% of millionaires are female.

[Takedown]

One thing I have to add to this conversation is that I work in healthcare and a lot of the woman hater, "hardcore monger for life" guys would probably change their tunes if they see what goes on in hospitals everyday. One of the saddest things to see in the world is an old man dying alone with no one at his bedside. Something to take heed.

[Mr Ho]

If you have a beautiful girlfriend who loves you, if you are able to take care of her, then she will ask you to take her. Women in love ask for sex, they don't have headache as long they love you, then no need to go to brothel, better to have real sex at home, with true feelings. I didn't know most beautiful Russian escorts and FKK land few years ago. Pleaure to have you woman who will to please you.

The thing is at brothels, they offer you what you wrote with many women who do not age as we change women as we choose depend on feeling of the day, brothel begin to provide you quantity of quality who do not age.

When brothel begin to offer what I just wrote with such an each access like FKK system. It was life changer for me. You can confirm what you want before you buy her too. I mean how amazing is that and you can have multiple of women who is at stunner level on display.

For me 2009 till 2015 ish was best year main FKK bar filled with stunners of varieties, but still now, I manage to find few stunner each time I go to FKK trip, so I cannot complain for my lust.

As for loved filled sex, I love it only at the beginning of relationship, let say first few months, then after I want to get out, this is same for FKK, when I find stunner, it is such an amazing feeling for first few sessions, then after while. I seek for new young stunners.

I like beautiful girls till around age 25 max, so FKK or related top quality set up with young quality girls I can change every few years serves me the best for what I want in my life in the area of sex life.

[Member #4581]

Gen-X and Gen-why is anybody born between 1965 and 1994. Within this age bracket in USA, 44% of the millionaires are female.

https://www.fidelity.com/about-fidel...onaires-differ

The mens rights activists amongst us will probably assume these women amassed their wealth via divorce settlement or inheritance. There are no figures released that provide this type of insight. Unless all these female millionaires are married to mega-millionaires and billionaires, we have to assume that some lucky men will be smiling if and when they ever get their divorce settlement.

Men's rights activists?! That's a good one, LOL.

I think the Anglo Saxon, English speaking nations are probably most advanced on this axis. And I would go even further than your link. It takes a long time to accumulate a million bucks, so the women who are at that level today started a while ago. It is a lagging indicator in other words. With the exception of engineering and physical sciences, and perhaps finance and a few other fields, women are now leading in overall university enrollmemts. Their upward movement in wealth charts will be felt a decade or two out. See below, they now lead in medicine and law, 2 well paying professions in the US.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/

https://news.aamc.org/press-releases/article/applicant-enrollment-2017/

https://abovethelaw.com/2018/03/there-are-now-more-women-in-law-school-than-ever-before/





Japan is definitely pretty behind. Their PM even desperately to push up female participation but w / very little success. I have personally never met a woman in the upper ranks of Japanese corporates, almost all of them are men. In fact, China is much better on this, in my non scientific personal survey.

When members here come from various countries, they naturally form views based own their experiences and biases. If you never see woman advancing in your work place or society, perhaps you assume they are retrograde everywhere.

I sas a photo of a Saudi Arabian conference this week. It was an auditorium 100% full of men, not a single woman was in the hall. The topic was womens rights! It is possible that when guys come here from S Arabia, or some such place where women are way way behind, they may have hard time believing any woman any where in the world can make some money on her own.

[Pistons]

According to Thomas J. Stanley's book, "The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America's Wealthy," only 20% of millionaires inherited their riches. The other 80% are what you'd call nouveau riche: first generation millionaires who earned their cash on their own. Many millionaires simply worked, saved and lived within their means to generate their wealth. Think accountants and managers: regular people going to work every day. Most millionaires didn't get their riches overnight when a rich relative died. They worked for the money.

Read more: 7 Millionaire Myths https://www.investopedia.com/financi...ire-myths.aspx#ixzz5 Dj6 VJPqx.

So some math: take away the top 10% of each sex bracket, and you have 34 female millionaires per 46 male millionaires. Or 42.5% female newly rich to 57.5% male newly rich. Minus the married.

But according to this article, you see marriges being counted for:

https://www.cnbc.com/id/100865295

About 15 percent of American millionaires are self-made women, BMO said, while the rest got their fortune from marriage or inheritance.

So if both sources are correct, then 27.5% of all american millionaires are women whom have married into wealth.