German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[McAdonis]

But in western societies, dual income households have become the norm so the expenses are becoming more and more equally shared. I'm in the 30-40 age range and plenty of women in my generation are earning 6 figure incomes.

Gen-X and Gen-why is anybody born between 1965 and 1994. Within this age bracket in USA, 44% of the millionaires are female.

https://www.fidelity.com/about-fidel...onaires-differ

The mens rights activists amongst us will probably assume these women amassed their wealth via divorce settlement or inheritance. There are no figures released that provide this type of insight. Unless all these female millionaires are married to mega-millionaires and billionaires, we have to assume that some lucky men will be smiling if and when they ever get their divorce settlement.

[Chongmal]

Amongst hardcore monger population, I'the agree with your assessment. Amongst more casual monger population, companionship is of minimal importance. The sheer volume of 10-15 minute commercial transactions speaks to that (at Laufhaus and Turksh FKK clubs). I suspect these casual mongers are wired to seek companionship as well, but from their wives and GFs, not from WGs.

Like you say it is a different form of love. More characterized by an appreciation for a sponsor than society's ideal of romantic love. Success rate of these "mail-order-bride" relationships seem to be high only when the women is 40+ with kids from a previous relationship.

I remember reading a sociology or psychology book many years back that described the three phases for women's choices of men. If I recall right, it was something like procreation (picking a more dominate male to ensure stronger children), security (including physical and financial) and companionship. As explained, these phases typically occurred in this order. Sometimes a single man provided all three phases but often the woman changed men as she progressed through the phases.

[Takedown]

Amongst hardcore monger population, I'the agree with your assessment. Amongst more casual monger population, companionship is of minimal importance. The sheer volume of 10-15 minute commercial transactions speaks to that (at Laufhaus and Turksh FKK clubs). I suspect these casual mongers are wired to seek companionship as well, but from their wives and GFs, not from WGs.

Like you say it is a different form of love. More characterized by an appreciation for a sponsor than society's ideal of romantic love. Success rate of these "mail-order-bride" relationships seem to be high only when the women is 40+ with kids from a previous relationship.

Regarding the discussion, I meant it as companionship in life in general, not just from a monger to WG interaction. The discussion originated from Ho's assertion that "everyone here agrees" that a life as a hardcore monger is better than growing old with a single woman. Others here seek a molecular theory to discount the need for companionship, but that is just a matter of perspective. As in, do you choose to look at life from the human perspective, top-down, or from a molecular perspective, bottom up. I for one choose to believe that just because there is molecular explanation for something such as feelings of love and intimacy, it does not make it any less important. In fact thinking anything bottom up tends to make one a social weirdo.

True regarding sponsor love. But if I'm 80 and not married, sponsor love is better than dying alone with only hookers to buy hourly "love."

[ExpatLover]

Mongering is mongering and companionship is companionship. Perhaps some people don't want companionship; that is a personal decision but it would be wise to make sure that one is honest with himself before making that decision. I don't discount that some people can forgoe companionship in favor of a life of satisfying sex with professional stunner women but those people are in an extreme minority. The rest of us are wired to seek companionship. So if you are in the minority of people who can truly and I mean truly commit to a promongering but companionless life then I salute your individual composition. For most people who deep down desire companionship, I think it would be a miserable and pathetic existence to only pay for sex week (end) in and week (end) out.

I may not be as sexually interested in the same woman 10 years from now but I do want children and for my children to have a mother.

All of this is pretty simple common knowledge right? For most of us, it would be a good idea to not tell ourselves lies about what we desire from women, life, and this hobby.

All of this being said, companionship can be bought and that person can develop real emotions over time. Women in my family have who married much older men for security did eventually develop a version of love for their geriatric provider.

P6 in Germany is just so or too easy but it is just sex nothing more which is quite boring now for me like for many other mongers, after being with 500 + girls it is just always the same mechanical sex. It was a very nice time of my life but definitively I am moving to something far better now with a stable relationship.

[McAdonis]

I don't discount that some people can forgoe companionship in favor of a life of satisfying sex with professional stunner women but those people are in an extreme minority. The rest of us are wired to seek companionship.

Amongst hardcore monger population, I'the agree with your assessment. Amongst more casual monger population, companionship is of minimal importance. The sheer volume of 10-15 minute commercial transactions speaks to that (at Laufhaus and Turksh FKK clubs). I suspect these casual mongers are wired to seek companionship as well, but from their wives and GFs, not from WGs.

All of this being said, companionship can be bought and that person can develop real emotions over time. Women in my family have who married much older men for security did eventually develop a version of love for their geriatric provider.

Like you say it is a different form of love. More characterized by an appreciation for a sponsor than society's ideal of romantic love. Success rate of these "mail-order-bride" relationships seem to be high only when the women is 40+ with kids from a previous relationship.

[Pistons]

I don't think monogamists believe that one deep connection rules out all other deep connections. It just in some ways makes it less complicated.

Some of it is a matter of resource allocation. A lifetime spent with one single person would naturally lead to a very deep intimate knowledge. The more you divide your time, the more diluted the product. Not to say that you can't have meaningful more diluted relationships. Some may be more capable than others of dividing attention. Some may not be able to do it at all. Not all people are built to be polyamorous.

As mentionned before, it depends on the oxytocin:

Only three percent of mammals are monogamous. Among those three percent are the prairie voles, especially known for their monogamous behavior.

In female prairie voles, oxytocin is the key ingredient for finding a lifelong partner. When mating, a flood of oxytocin is released, which then triggers the flood of dopamine, allowing feelings of reward to take over the female's brain circuitry. This whole process allows the female to attach to her mate and desire a lifelong partnership.

If oxytocin receptors were to be blocked, however, it can cut off the pair bonding response and eliminate the desire for monogamy completely. Similarly, when male prairie voles were given a drug that suppresses the effect of vasopressin, the bond with their partner deteriorated immediately as they lost their devotion and failed to protect their partner from new suitors.

Because these hormones are independent from one another, these three systems can work simultaneously and with dangerous results.

"You can feel deep attachment for a long-term spouse, while you feel romantic love for someone else, while you feel the sex drive in situations unrelated to either partner," as Dr. Fisher explains. This independence means it is possible to love more than one person at a time, a situation that leads to jealousy, adultery, divorce, and the possibilities of promiscuity and polygamy, with the likelihood of extra children, and thus a bigger stake in the genetic future. We were not built to be happy, but to reproduce.

Dr. Fisher continues, "The independence of these emotional systems may have evolved among our ancestors to enable males and females to take advantage of several mating strategies simultaneously. With this brain architecture, they could form a pair bond with one partner and practice clandestine adultery too, thereby taking advantage of rare "extra" mating opportunities."

Dr. Steven Phelps, Integrative Biology PhD, found great diversity in the distribution of vasopressin receptors between individual prairie voles. Phelps suggests that this variation contributes to some voles being more faithful than others.

Meanwhile, Dr. Young says that he and his colleagues have found a lot of variation in the vasopressin-receptor gene in humans. "We may be able to do things like look at their gene sequence, look at their promoter sequence, to genotype people and correlate that with their fidelity," he contemplates.

It has already proved possible to tinker with this genetic inheritance, with startling results. Scientists can increase the expression of the relevant receptors in prairie voles, and thus strengthen the animals' ability to attach to partners. And in 1999, Dr. Young led a team that took the prairie-vole receptor gene and inserted it into an ordinary (and therefore promiscuous) mouse. The transgenic mouse thus created was much more sociable to its mate.

https://www.ambiancematchmaking.com/...ath-do-us-part

Also a very interesting study:

Memory response to oxytocin predicts relationship dissolution over 18 months.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26986091/

[Pistons]

The buddhist Fuck Master sounds like a smart guy. I subscribe to his view of enlightenment. Does he hold any ceremonies perhaps? LOL! .

[Optimist]

BadinSweet. I am no role model. I will do a PM with a little background as to how I got to this situation. Your joke is a bit closer to the truth than you would guess! There are quite a few German guys whose partners agree to them visiting clubs on a specified basis, like once a month for example

Polyamorist. I love your informed, entertaining and eclectic posts. Another religion, Buddhism allows anything, provided it is in accord with the precepts. This means that, depending on the circumstances one can even have sex with a multitude of women (although this would normally be stopped by the precept not to misuse sexuality). One Zen Master was called the Fuck Master because he sought enlightenment by fucking women: I think probably he was just a con artist.

Just to repeat. Everybody is different and nobody can prescribe for others (apart from certain universally agreed norms, like normally not to murder) All marriages are within a social convention which varies over time and place. No way can anybody reasonably say on this Forum should be bound by any particular ephemeral so-called "religious" convention. If anyone argues that I should be bound by Christian wedding vows then I would argue that they in turn must be bound by my interpretation of Buddhist precepts and not to eat meat LOL.

[Polyamorist]

The traditional, standard, Christian wedding vow (I don't know about Jewish or Muslim wedding vows) includes a phrase like "forsaking all others, to be faithful only to him / her as long as you both shall live". The intent at the begining of the marriage, based on their vows, is to be exclusive sexual partners.

It depends. I guess you are assuming that Optimist had a Christian wedding and that it was furthermore one of the Christian sects that favors monogamy over polygamy. If it was a Mormon sealing ceremony, the wife would have had to make a vow with all of her new sister wives, not just the husband. Many Mormon elders have promoted the idea that Jesus himself was a polygamist (https://ldstalk.files.wordpress.com/.../img_03291.jpg). But I am guessing he was too busy with other things (like protecting unregistered WGs from stoning) for the time-consuming business of marriage.

Not so Mohammed, who had more wives than cats. That is taking commitment to the ninth degree! Whatever you may think of the man's political views, you have to admire his stamina. Just imagine all the nagging!

Meanwhile the King of Swaziland, a devout Christian, said "Hold my beer," and married fifteen women. Impressive but will he still be that prolific at Optimist's age?

It looks like the Mormons and Muslims attracted a great following in the beginning by allowing polygamy. After they had got enough drone members they tightened the rules, restricted the perks. Not so different from the customer base of FKK Land. Boiling the frog!

Il al-liqā, Master Jimmy!

[BadinSweet]

Just curious, my theory anyways, for those of you that prefer to be single and enjoy this hobby have you ever been in love? Have you ever love someone so much that you want to be better for her? I can assume those that are / were married were at this stage at one point and would prefer a companion (unless they had a bad divorce).

Optimist, you are my role model. I don't think there are such a normal girl, young, who would allow her man to visit a brothel, spend time and money with another girls, and feel nothing about it. The odd of finding this girl is almost zero. But the chance of finding this girl is higher, in FKK, LOL. I even joked with someone very close to me and she said she would allow her BF or husband to visit the club, maybe once a year on his BD.

[Mr Ho]

Love and sex are neither necessarily bound nor opposite, and relationships are grey and changing. And everyone is different. The Brady Bunch is great if you have it, but for various reasons a single 1:1 relationship is not enough or needs some healthy space. Hookers are also in a gray space. They too have feelings and do not necessarily sleep with anyone with enough $$. Emotional needs, like diet, should have some staple but also variety, like friends and lovers.

Let's not project our provisional reality on others. I like to see myself in a girls mouth with her lips stretched and the wonderful feeling off shooting deep in her mouth. It is natural, harmless fun and been going on since the dawn of man.

Yes, it is each their own, it is just that some guys have bad taste on women, they like old aged women. , they call it love LOL.

[Pahllus Maximus]

Love and sex are neither necessarily bound nor opposite, and relationships are grey and changing. And everyone is different. The Brady Bunch is great if you have it, but for various reasons a single 1:1 relationship is not enough or needs some healthy space. Hookers are also in a gray space. They too have feelings and do not necessarily sleep with anyone with enough $$. Emotional needs, like diet, should have some staple but also variety, like friends and lovers.

Let's not project our provisional reality on others. I like to see myself in a girls mouth with her lips stretched and the wonderful feeling off shooting deep in her mouth. It is natural, harmless fun and been going on since the dawn of man.

[Tedesco]

Is it moral to do anal sex, CIM and other perverted sex acts on prostitutes?

Yes, although I've not the possibility to confess my sins as others may have. By the way, is it more moral to do the mentioned features together with one's wife?

[Bfsie]

The traditional, standard, Christian wedding vow (I don't know about Jewish or Muslim wedding vows) includes a phrase like "forsaking all others, to be faithful only to him / her as long as you both shall live". The intent at the begining of the marriage, based on their vows, is to be exclusive sexual partners. What they decide to do freely and without coercion after that is their business. However, when one of them decides secretly not to keep the vow, it is by definition cheating and dishonest, no matter how many married men visit hookers.

Let's don't forget you are on prostitute board. You better don't talk about moral issues on women here because for you using prostitutes itself is against Christian morality and value whether you are single or married (and don't even mention other moral standards in society like social civilization). Is it moral to do anal sex, CIM and other perverted sex acts on prostitutes.

[Optimist]

Ahh. That is the rub. Even she cannot stop the natural order of things LOL.

As you say, sometimes even dogs are better companions than spouses

Arigato

Oops. This reads wrong. The two statements whilst correct are totally unrelated except insofaras they are replies to Mr Ho, from the land I will soon visit.