German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[The Cane]

Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!

I don't recall seeing any bidets at the FKKs in Germany. Anybody else? Dr. Poon you're at it again! They do have them at several of the top clubs in Spain. I feel like I can get cleaner taking a full body shower. But of course, you don't always have the time to do that.

[Mr Ho]

Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

I always thought you can fuck stunner girls for very good price like 100 usd, but are mexican that unorganized?

[Mr Ho]

Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.

Bidet in FKK as in toilet like in Japan? I always found toilet in west to be so behind and not hygiene without washlet toilet we call in Japan by companies like Toto or Panasonic, well Toto is leading company for toilet in the world by far! I always wonder why in west they keep ass dirty after toilet! Toto should go into western market more to keep asses in west clean after shit! That was my biggest culture shock when I went to west to UK and France for first time in my life that the toilet is too behind and dirty and hey it is 2022 and they still do not have better advanced toilet in west! LOL! Why? LOL!

[Mongerer88]

I understand your points, but just as I am amazed at how many ISG posters only post within the FKK forums, I think it is unrealistic in the Information Age to keep Johns and more importantly Sex Workers so uninformed about like outside the German FKK system that service-adjusted prices can remain extremely low for decades.

I would argue it is the high degree of mobility of the sex workers, and the fact that the business can now be conducted with a cell phone, WhatsApp / Telegram, Twitter and / or some form of basic advertising, and access to a trick pad that is shared with other ladies, that is driving up prices more than any other factors.

I suspect the mobility of Johns from other areas does drive up prices somewhat at FJKs, but of the dozen factors doing so, I would rank it as not contributing to the increase much. To the extent it does, it is the French arriving by train / car more so than the Americans. That might have contributed a bit to the gradual small price increases seen in Spain and Portugal, also. There just aren't enough American Johns in Europe to move the needle, and even fewer of them in the past three years.

Just like food, a price increase in one area will eventually flow throughout the world. The supply of the most desirable food will flow to the areas where the prices are the highest. Try to fight it too much and those who can't or won't pay a higher price end up with an inferior substitute. You don't want a situation where only the oldest, fattest and ugliest Eastern Europeans work at the FKKs, while the best looking and best performing Romanians researched on the Internet the best places (and best approaches) to work while in high school and acted upon that information when they graduated.

I suspect that is happening now. Whenever anyone mentions legal Nevada brothels or the street scene in conjunction with the USA Market, my antennae goes up because I know they haven't really studied the USA Market, which is now independent escorts with their own websites, a few boutique agencies, Sugar Babies, and those who insist on taking the risk of continuing to use mass classified advertising that is still attacked by law enforcement.

But when I see an FKK poster analyze the FKK market exclusively from the standpoint of the ladies working there and the Johns who exclusively go there, I am skeptical that they see the whole picture. It is technology and the sharing of information that is the enemy of the FKKs to the extent they try to maintain low prices with great looking young women providing top services. In a worldwide economy with the availability of data, it just won't work. The best sex workers will seek out the best opportunities, and the Johns who find their prices worthwhile will be their customers. If these transactions occur entirely outside of FKKs, no one is going to be concerned other than the most ardent FKK customers.

My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?

[Adindas]

Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.

The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.
A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.

It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.

The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.

My point here is that people start justifying the increase of 100% price in FKK (or the like) just because it is still cheaper than those what they would have paid at home. They forget about the cost of travelling, time needed for travelling, etc. Keep in mind the local scene in Germany, Spain, etc mainly thrive because the local or people who travel to that region frequently sustain them, not because a tourist who just come there once in a lifetime or once in a few years. These sort of people instead ruin the market, our environment.

We have witnessed the RLD in Amsterdam scene where once was a very good punting ground is now, remain a history because of the international tourists who might just punting once in a lifetime or once in a few years in that region have ruined them. People would have noticed that local people hardly ever visit or stop visiting the Amsterdam RLD since a few years ago. Local people is the RLD bread and butter. When the local people start ignoring their local scenes looking for a new punting ground in Asia, for instance, it is going to effect us all mongers. Unless of course you want to turn to become a pornstar, LOL.

Pierre Woodman has fucked many stunning girls in Europe and he just pays a pittance for a scene. It is publicly known he pays around EUR700-EUR900 for a scene which might involve a few hours work for the girls to include Bareback, Deep Anal Penetration, Gang bang, humiliation. And those girls get fucked by Woodman and his boys, multiple times (not just once) during the day the scene is made. Not to mention the need to give up privacy as the scene could be watched by family members, relatives, friends and people around the world.
Pierre Woodman has probably fucked more stunners than anyone else in this world considering the time span he is in the industry and the frequency of his porn production..

As I said previously people are using their own money so nothing wrong with it in many perspectives. Also for some people that environment is not that important for them or worse they do not really care about the environment they are in. But do you want that someday you could no longer travel to Germany, to see the type of girls you normally see in FKK ?
You would have to turn to become a pornstar because the girls charge the price quite similar with the people pay in the US, AU, CA, etc, the FKK scene in Germany collapse because they do not get enough income to sustain their operation due to regular / local visitors stop visiting them?

[Mr Ho]

As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!

The best thing about FKK is you actually get to see the girls in real life before you choose the one to fuck, where as with escort, you only photos!

[Sirioja]

Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.

Before FKK I didn't know until end of 2012 , I started with Russian escorts in Paris on 2011 , really Russian when Ukrainians are not on same level, even I m very sorry for Ukraine now and hate dirty Putin as I always told my regular escorts. I had some from 10/11 pm until 4 am for diner + 200/250 and sometimes present, little mums becoming so horny when I bought Disney present, usually less than 50 , for kid, making them more passionate than a fashion French perfume. I remember Anna from Ufa on January 2012 on her third tour and after around 10 times with her, first going to buy a Disney present, then to restaurant for her salmon and cup of champagne. I asked her to give me her pantie under table, she looked at me with round eyes but did, I put towel under her, when we left, towel was wet. I drove to Milano or Torino for her after she was unfortunately attacked in Paris. When I m known since years from girls reports by what became Amour Russe, since few years, I book for 200/45 and when I enjoy the girl and repeat, I usually stay with her for nearly 1 hour, meaning 200/57 or 58 for super GFE top beauties. I don't see in FKK, even at Globe or Aphrodisia, girls worthing more than my best Russian escorts I get for 200/ almost 1 hour and I m fully sure we have the most fresh in Paris compare to Dubai or elsewhere, because when they first leave Russia, most Russian girls dream much more of Paris than anywhere else. Only after, they think to make more money in Dubai or fucking Asians when they become more professionnal, but they first fall from tupolev in Paris when Milano is now dead. On this year, from Moscow Victoria was exceptionnal fresh GFE kissing all along, met her many times for 200/58 . I also discovered some real NL in NL for 160/60 and free entry with a soft drink, Floor being a late 20's real beauty when she did model in Paris years ago. I met in FKK few girls on escort level: Madelina. Ro, Katalina. Ro I got at Sharks for 200/120 before following her at Globe, EMA for 300/180 on my weekly visits for months, EMA Prestige for 200/120 , my German escort for usually 300/180 . My now Rhur German is on top level escort and for behavior. But so many FKK girls don t worth what they ask, with their average or less look and low level in bed. 90% of Globe girls don t worth the rate. Almost none at Aphrodisia Zurich city, but now I know why so expensive, to pay alcohol and cocaine for drunk drugged who work in city. They should better make sport to be able to control pressure when I won t pay too expensive for them when I drink orange juice when not even apple or ananas for 280/30 but only average looks mostly with already many kilometers in business, but look is not the most important for these guys with fog in eyes and brain. You don t find most fresh prettiest in most expensive clubs. 40/50/30 Gold Dusseldorf airport and Freubad. Ch with HH giving 90/30 are probably best value for quality at the moment. Swiss Dietikon can also be good value even they increased 8% girls rate but lowered a bit entry. For 1 hour sex, 4,5% increased, quite correct for few interesting girls.

[Mr Ho]

What excuse do you use to travel by yourself?

Use some sort of professional development opportunity: a conference, or short-term (like a few days) educational course.

Second venue may be some sort of a hobby you have. Maybe you a railroad fan and you want to visit some railroad museums in industrial towns like Dortmund and Darmstadt (wink wink, there is one there indeed!) It would be great if you had such hobby in your childhood and suddenly you feel a strong urge to resurrect the experience, blah blah, you get the idea.

Thirdly, maybe you want to explore some sort of business opportunity, perhaps starting your own business. Maybe not now, maybe after you retire. However being a practical man that you are, you wish to start the preparation early, research a bit deeper (should I say analyze?) the matter and you have to visit Germany.

Fourthly you could have just discovered some German ancestors in your family tree and now you must visit and / or search for their graves. A slight variation may be that you want to learn and practice some German, but that would require some effort, like endless hours of practice, unless du sprichst wirklich schon gut Deutsch.

Important: once you make up your legend, stick to it to death. You have to believe in it yourself or else your wife will sense the deception.

Conferences or anything the dates can be checked is dangerous if he does not actually go, I would say actually go to these things and take photos as evidence LOL! Then off to FKK at night time LOL! So the whole thing will be half true!

[DrPoon]

If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!

Another good point about FKK is the hygiene in Germany is top level. They have the bidet there whereas a street walking provider in the USA has very bad hygiene and would be lucky to even have a wet wipe, let alone a wipe between each client. Plus the temperatures in the USA can top 115 degrees and with all the sweat and residue down there anyone paying for full service is insane which is why mainly the BJ is the way to go in the USA.

[Mr Ho]

The reason why some of top stunner do escort and also on low days turn up at FKK as walk in is that they like to monetize their youth and beauties in more direct impactful way which is money sex exchange business, so it is good that the whole world is filled with young stunners who want to directly monetize their beauties instead of just sticking to complicated for both dating scene!

Arent we mongers who know where to around world are lucky LOL!

[DrPoon]

In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc

Nevada totally sucks. It is all cbg by law overpriced probably more than $500 per hour. Plus you need to drive 100 to 500 miles to a legal brothel once you are in Nevada.

Mexico you can wind up blown up there are reports of civil unrest in Tijuana wherein drug criminals are lighting cars on fire. And you can't have a gun in Mexico unless you are in the cartel, or a Mexican police officer bribed by the cartel.

[Mr Ho]

As other people said EUR50 for half hour so EUR100 for an hour. For people who need travel paying EUR100 an hour why do they need to travel if that price is available to where they live without the need to travel.

Also remember EUR100 an hour without extra. Any extra will be EUR30-50. The rate for half hours in Some FKKs in NRW are EUR40.

I agree no need to barter as it gives off bad vibes and invariably leads to poorer service. But it is also important to remember what trigger that behaviour in the first instance. It is normally come from people, tourist, not regular visitors. These people are an easy target for the sharks, gold diggers. It is also because lack of information as they will compare the price they pay at home with the one they pay in FKK. But they fail to compare it with other places like in many countries in Asia, in South America. In Thailand, Vietnam, Laos: for examples with that sum of money you might get the girl to stay with you for the whole night.
Also if you do not come there regularly, or it might be just once in a few years, once in a lifetime,whatever come after even if these FKKs cease to exist is no longer your concern. If you see the service is good you could actually just tip them.

Anyway it is your money you are using. You could even pay ten times the regular price. Many people could effort that given that it is not an regular basis. But sensible people will start thinking, why do I need to travel if I could get the same price or even cheaper in my cities, areas. If people stop visiting FKKs in Germany it is just a matter of time before it ceases to exist. By the end of the day it will effect us all.

Alternatively you could also visit high class Brothels, Night Clubs where you will be treated like a king as long as you are willing to pay. There are a lot of courtesans, Pornstars could be flown to your house as long as you want to pay.

I travel because I fuck best Eurasian girls here and I fuck best white and other exotic stunner level girls in Europe LOL! The best of both world LOL!

[Mr Ho]

Girls at the level of European FKK girls will be about $500 per hour in the USA.

If you can get them then the price is up to the buyer, but the problem in most states in USA is that such options are not even available! The same go for many other nations!

[Mongerer88]

In the US prostitution is illegal, except in Nevada. In Nevada there are a lot of street prostitute could be poked much less than that, especially in the car.
A beginner in porn industry in the US get paid around US $600-US $1000 per shoot which could be a few hours work. The scene will involve a rough sex, bareback, gang-bang, deep anal penetration, spanking, humiliation, sometimes with giant cocks, you name it.
Also people in the US could travel to neighbouring countries such as Mexico, Columbia, etc

The USA Has a massive escort and Sugar Baby scene with three separate escort review boards.

The legal Nevada brothels constitute far less than 1 percent of the transactions. More like a tenth of one percent.

The street scene is getting smaller every year in the USA, and is now only covered by one of those three review boards. Since it is most likely to be targeted by law enforcement, it is a very small percentage of the total transactions.

The prices generally range from $250 an hour to $700 an hour.

A tremendous number of independents who do full GFE, including BBBJTCIM, and who have their own websites and screen, are now indeed in the $500-$600 an hour. In smaller cities and in certain geographical areas, it can sometimes be a little bit less.

It is very difficult to make comparisons. Realistically, the way independent escorts are forced to operate in the USA, they see relatively few customers, often only one a day. And that is reflected in the high prices. As to whether the Romanian FKK lady at $100-$150 an hour (including upsells) is the equivalent of the $500 an hour USA Independent escort, that would depend on which two you pick for comparison.

The only part of your post I agree with is the porn discussion. It is possible to purchase sex from some porn stars, usually by finding them on Twitter and eventually emailing them. Ladies don't make much money doing porn. They primarily use it to enhance an Onlyfans presence. The porn stars who quietly escort tend to charge the same rates as independent escorts who do not do porn, although sometimes $100 an hour or so more.

Incidentally, it is the lowest price per hour ladies who are most likely to draw the interest of law enforcement. And it is the sites those ladies advertise on that in turn gets fake ads taken out by law enforcement. Currently the main target is the site skipthegames. Before that it was of course Backpage.

One of the reasons independent escorts charge above a certain price per hour point, and one of the reasons that Johns pay it, is that independent escorts who screen, have their own websites, and charge market rates are not typically targeted by law enforcement, especially in most large cities.

[Mr Ho]

Basel starts a test program where a few hundred people are legally allowed to buy weed from some pharmacies. It's quite likely that in a few years weed is fully legal again in Switzerland. While drug possession and consumption are technically illegal in Switzerland, possession of small quantities for personal consumption is normally not prosecuted, people might get a fine but that's it.

As you wrote, we had golden years in year 1999 to 2001 I believe, oh wow how I so enjoyed those golden years when I was teen and top weed was over the counter legal in professional grower shops, I smoked and fuck stunners, amazing time LOL!

The thing is CDB weed is legal it seems now, but now THC is not! I miss those golden years, but it is what it is and I follow the law! I had best time with weed, so that is that until the situation legally provide with the best weed again!

I might at one point go to Amsterdam to try ecstacy mdma sex with top escort stunner for a week as it is all legal in Amsterdam! I will book top escort from Germany to bring her over to Amsterdam though as I am not sure if Amsterdam escorts provide quality young girls!