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[Takedown]

And you my friend have committed one huge fallacy if you are suggesting that I am rejecting companionship as a worthy thing. I am not. Nor did I say (or even suggest) that 60 year-old men and 17 year-old boys have the same needs. Or that survival and happiness are both the same thing. That all came from you! It's as if you are more interested in making some counterargument than really "hearing" and considering the main points I made.

I said that marriage and companionship are not the same thing, and that one can even have a marriage with no companionship. That was not said to "reject" companionship. It was just to point out something that people don't realize sometimes. I talked about having a full and varied life, the importance of which becomes more evident as one grows older, like say when you're 60 versus 17? And I absolutely did not suggest that spreading one's seed around is the sole source of happiness! That came from you. No need for you to put words in my mouth or attempt to make my points for me..

Your examples and your logic are incongruent, hence my rebuttals. Mentioning thousands of years of biological tendency but putting very little emphasis on companionship is why I presented my counterargument.

Regarding companionship: you first used the term "indoctrination" to refer to my views on that. However, we both agree that companionship does not equal marriage. I have made all attempts to consistently use that term rather than marriage but remember you made the argument of indoctrination in relation to marriage, your assumption not mine.

Optimist referenced his open transparency with his spouse regrading this hobby. This shows his value for companionship and seems to be exactly what I want. Companionship and fucking multiple women. You on the other hand stated that you chose a life of being "single and free and fucking." You seemed pretty ecstatic about that lifestyle without mention of a desire for companionship so it seems to the reader that you don't value the latter, which is within your right. But that is the point of this subject, the value of companionship versus freely fucking.

Regarding age:

"It is not the years in your life but the life in your years that counts." -Adlai Stephenson.

[Optimist]

A woman has no right to consider a man's money is (partly) hers. When a man considers a woman's money to be partly his we call him a pimp.

Things may be different if a man is squandering his wife's inheritance.

Exactly so. When my wife was working, her colleagues were most concerned to know that she was in charge of her earnings, not me. Otherwise I would have been no different to a pimp and they made it clear that would have been the lowest of the low

[Optimist]

Indeed, for "la tendresse", many guys will observe how girls can switch it on or off like a light, and grow frustrated at how random it all seems. Even apathy may set in: "I don't give a damn for these games: just gim-me the suck-and-fuck and I'm out-ta here!"

Your four levels provide a good framework to work within. The fourth level you describe is an area where reality and illusion are hardest to disentangle. There are three variants.

1. In most cases it will be that the girl has a high Emotional Intelligence and can tune in to many different guys. It is real but it is only within a commercial relationship. If the girl and client are stable then it can work as a club relationship. (a sub division would be whether or not the girl is consciously turning on the Emotional Intelligence or it is intrinsic to her core).

2 More often the girl and guy are emotionally vulnerable and one or other plays games, either intentionally, or out of their emotional uncertainty. The risk of harm in these cases is high. This is where it is important for both parties to get out, but it is hard to do so.

3. The situation grows so that it moves into a non- commercial and non-club relationship. This is rare, and leads swiftly either to break up, or more rarely, a lasting relationship.

The problem is trying to work out what exactly is happening in any particular case.

Of course, many guys will choose the less complex and risky option of fuck and go.

Cheers.

[HungryStud101]

If you had typed a comment, someone had replied to it, and THEN you re-edit your original comment, of course it is not the right thing to do.

If you think this is just a hooker board and we should not take things seriously, why did you lament that your original comment did not come our right?

Oh that. I made a few typos. Other times, I forgot to add details to a report and I could no longer do so.

As you can see, I don't come here to argue very often. I come here for fun. I write trip reports for fun and to help others. We are not solving world hunger.

You should at least be able to edit until someone replies to you post.

[Smoke Light]

Does this wonderful woman know about and agree to your fucking dozens of other women, and spending thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars that she could rightly consider at least partly hers to do so? If she does, then she is indeed a wonderful woman, and you are to be congratulated on your good fortune. If she does not know about or agree to your hobby, then your relationship with her is based on dishonesty, and you are abusing her love and trust. Would you like her to use your money to find boy toys to fuck her behind your back?

I can only speak for myself. Married many years, I tell my wife she can have sex on the side as much as she wants. And she should be thankful that I am with her and pay most of all her life expenses. Regarding two aspects, moral and financial. Financially, it would be improper to disclose to a wife any P4P spendings, as it could be used directly against you in a court. Morally, yes, fucking dozens of other women is moral, because it is your wellness. You pay for a gym, travel to a vacation resort, visit a psychologist when dealing with a complicated family issue. Same with mongering. It is not dishonest because you are buying services offered by a sex worker, not having second family with five kids in another country LOL.

[Optimist]

Does this wonderful woman know about and agree to your fucking dozens of other women, and spending thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars that she could rightly consider at least partly hers to do so? If she does, then she is indeed a wonderful woman, and you are to be congratulated on your good fortune. If she does not know about or agree to your hobby, then your relationship with her is based on dishonesty, and you are abusing her love and trust. Would you like her to use your money to find boy toys to fuck her behind your back?

All agreed and above board and open. Nothing behind backs.

You are right to focus on the financial arrangements. It is possible to be married but for there to be financial autonomy. Without this marriage could become a form of slavery. As an aside, the working girls often are acutely aware that me being married limits my potential as a sugar daddy lol

[TomKash]

Does this wonderful woman know about and agree to your fucking dozens of other women, and spending thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars that she could rightly consider at least partly hers to do so? If she does, then she is indeed a wonderful woman, and you are to be congratulated on your good fortune. If she does not know about or agree to your hobby, then your relationship with her is based on dishonesty, and you are abusing her love and trust. Would you like her to use your money to find boy toys to fuck her behind your back?

Why so harsh on married men? Its normal for people all over to have multiple partners before / after and even while still married.

In some societies one can marry several women at same time legally while in others people maintain / sponsor mistress / girl friends.

Even if it is taboo and in some societies men / women just change their sex partners like it means nothing.

What's important is at time of relationship both or everyone involved have consent. And that can happen for multiple reasons Itself.

One may like physical presence. Other may like intellect. Some run after confidence some after power, in business of pleasure its.

Money / gifts that's works (While money works in most cases while people acknowledge it or not).

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[Polyamorist]

Or more accurately maybe what the French refer to as la tendresse. In fact, also when visiting clubs. It is good if I can have sex with six young women in one day, but infinitely better if I get on well with them: of the two options the sex is the less precious, unlike when I first visited clubs.

Salaam Optimist, as it happens I was thinking about this the other day and I came to the conclusion there are four types of sexual experience:

1. The girl doesn't like you and gives a low level of service.

2. The girl performs a lot of service but you can't tell if she likes you or not.

3. The girl performs limited service but you nevertheless get the sense she likes you.

4. The girl likes you and does an awesome job. Of course this is what we as mongers always seek!

Type 2 behavior can occur in clubs with strict management. For instance some have reported it in Globe. Personally I remember a time in Macau where a "model" girl put on the most awesome PSE performance ever for me: I just wasn't sure I was part of that performance, so left with mixed feelings.

Type 3 might occur with a proud or inexperienced girl in an environment where services are not standardized. You can easily forgive limited service if she leaves you with the feeling that she really likes you and you can build on what you have for a better experience next time. Of course you have to consider the possibility that she is fooling you, especially if there was no DFK.

Indeed, for "la tendresse", many guys will observe how girls can switch it on or off like a light, and grow frustrated at how random it all seems. Even apathy may set in: "I don't give a damn for these games: just gim-me the suck-and-fuck and I'm out-ta here!"

[Mr Ho]

A woman has no right to consider a man's money is (partly) hers. When a man considers a woman's money to be partly his we call him a pimp.

Things may be different if a man is squandering his wife's inheritance.

Well I agree with you, but there is one huge problem in many nations concerning your stand point., law do not legally agree with us LOL LOL!

[Takedown]

A woman has no right to consider a man's money is (partly) hers. When a man considers a woman's money to be partly his we call him a pimp.

Things may be different if a man is squandering his wife's inheritance.

Lots of marriages have joint finances. And in lots of marriages, the woman makes more money. The money is theirs together. Welcome to the 21st century.

[BigBuddy69]

Optimist is clearly not the only married man to go in brothels.

XXL you're right, and when a woman in a club considers a guest's money to be only hers (and the guy obeys) , I call the guy a wimp.

[XXL]

Does this wonderful woman know about and agree to your fucking dozens of other women, and spending thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars that she could rightly consider at least partly hers to do so? ...

A woman has no right to consider a man's money is (partly) hers. When a man considers a woman's money to be partly his we call him a pimp.

Things may be different if a man is squandering his wife's inheritance.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

Snip. As for marriage I never discuss whether it is better or worse than the hobby. I have the luck to be married to a wonderful woman and count it as my good fortune as Bfsie suggests. We all have different circumstances

Cheers.

Does this wonderful woman know about and agree to your fucking dozens of other women, and spending thousands, if not tens of thousands, of dollars that she could rightly consider at least partly hers to do so? If she does, then she is indeed a wonderful woman, and you are to be congratulated on your good fortune. If she does not know about or agree to your hobby, then your relationship with her is based on dishonesty, and you are abusing her love and trust. Would you like her to use your money to find boy toys to fuck her behind your back?

[The Cane]

Rejecting companionship in favor of an argument of biological evolution has one huge fallacy. Do 60 year old men have the same needs as a 17 year old boy? I'd hope not. When living into old age, companionship becomes a higher priority which is why I quoted the literature / research. I'm talking about the need for companionship while differentiating physical and emotional needs. If you want to designate modern acts that satisfy emotion needs into the term indoctrination, then you can have your point. Otherwise, I will go on to say that survival and happiness are not one and the same. Yes, hundreds of thousands of years evolution has biologically programmed us to spread many seeds into many vessels, but fulfilling that one need is not the sole source of happiness.

And you my friend have committed one huge fallacy if you are suggesting that I am rejecting companionship as a worthy thing. I am not. Nor did I say (or even suggest) that 60 year-old men and 17 year-old boys have the same needs. Or that survival and happiness are both the same thing. That all came from you! It's as if you are more interested in making some counterargument than really "hearing" and considering the main points I made.

I said that marriage and companionship are not the same thing, and that one can even have a marriage with no companionship. That was not said to "reject" companionship. It was just to point out something that people don't realize sometimes. I talked about having a full and varied life, the importance of which becomes more evident as one grows older, like say when you're 60 versus 17? And I absolutely did not suggest that spreading one's seed around is the sole source of happiness! That came from you. No need for you to put words in my mouth or attempt to make my points for me.

You know, it's the younger guys who think they know everything too. You see, I was one of those younger guys before, so I know this from experience! Let's have this conversation again in 20 years (if we're both still going) and see what you think then.

[Mr Ho]

As (probably) the Methuselah of the Forum, my continued existence is proof that being married and visiting brothels is the secret to a long life (like the 100 year olds who put down their longevity to smoking or drinking). Of course, what I say trumps all statistical evidence LOL.

Takedown. You at your young age are very wise. Companionship (as The Cane says, not synonymous with marriage) in life outside clubs gets more and more important as I get older. Or more accurately maybe what the French refer to as la tendresse. In fact, also when visiting clubs. It is good if I can have sex with six young women in one day, but infinitely better if I get on well with them: of the two options the sex is the less precious, unlike when I first visited clubs. The best workers know this and use it to earn more money.

My two pence worth

Secret of long life is in Okinawa Japan and it is because of food and culture there. I think marriage can make you live longer if it is working our good, but if it is not marriage will kill you slowly, but surely both physically and financially LOL So it is like a strong medicine, if it works it works, if it does not marriage is lethal weapon to your life LOL.

As for companionship or connection with people, I got plenty and it does not need to be with wife, that is for guys who are billy no mate with only blocked choices in lives. Companionship can be friends or pets even, I even think dogs can connect with human than some of wives by looking at it.

Good marriage is good, but bad ones are lethal and remember most marriage fails.

It is cult religion conducted by society, governments and religion to fool men.

They show you love, that how they fool ya LOL!