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[HungryStud101]

I was just reading my post earlier. Believe it or not, I am a native speaker of English. Darn it! Why can't we edit our posts through perpetuity like most other web sites? I am not a very good proof reader of my own writing until after a day or so passes. This is frustrating.

[Takedown]

Takedown raised some interesting points. I am way past 50 and still enjoy visiting the clubs. I think it is just a question of keeping perspective and knowing what you get out of the hobby compared to other options: it is a hobby, and not the solution to any personal life issues (although sometimes it can be a positive or negative contributor). Take heart Takedown, you don't need to end it all when you are 50: it all depends on your circumstances.

I agree. Sorry to offend people in the older age brackets. I actually think the hobby can be healthy for regular visitors. I really meant it towards people who are consumed by it. For the German retirees who visit once a week, I think it is healthy. For the single, never married, 52 year old without loved ones, I think visiting the clubs 3-4 days per week is an unhealthy substitute for real affection and a real life. Like RN mentions, it may produce delusions in guys romancing women half their age. In this hobby, there is a fine line between enjoying healthy illusions and becoming delusional.

But yeah, I look forward to being able to be retired and enjoy 20 year old girls. I hope to have something similar to the Sunday Brunch Pensioner crew at Sharks when I am in my 60's and 70's. Those guys seem to enjoy the hobby and the camaraderie in a healthy manner.

[Optimist]

As Jnpr30 says, we all have different approaches. And even one person's approach can vary according to mood and circumstance. I love to feel at home with a girl, but other times will just want to enjoy her physical performance. It is different with every girl (apart from the mechanical girls who just go through the motions).

Takedown raised some interesting points. I am way past 50 and still enjoy visiting the clubs. I think it is just a question of keeping perspective and knowing what you get out of the hobby compared to other options: it is a hobby, and not the solution to any personal life issues (although sometimes it can be a positive or negative contributor). Take heart Takedown, you don't need to end it all when you are 50: it all depends on your circumstances.

RN. It is ok to buy an illusion, but only if we know it is an illusion and as you suggest don't believe in it: as you imply, it is hiding from reality to mistake a prostitute's affection for a stable reality (except in very rare cases). Like going to see a great play we can admire acting skills, even like the actor as a person, have our emotions stirred, but once we leave the show, we have to leave the illusion behind, hopefully having learnt something about ourselves and the world

As for marriage I never discuss whether it is better or worse than the hobby. I have the luck to be married to a wonderful woman and count it as my good fortune as Bfsie suggests. We all have different circumstances

Cheers.

[Smoke Light]

Mr Ho,

I love your posts, your philosophical views and ideas. Enjoy your life and freedom! If I could, I would put you in charge of the entire FKK recruitment system LOL.

XXL,

Thanks for the new car analogy. I can only add that a GF illusion can fade even sooner than a 10 year period. She may become ugly in a single year if she gets fat, or worse, after having a kid. In other words: it can only get worse, and it will, guaranteed.

Wife:

And that is why I write this post. After 30+ years, sex with wife is deplorable. Separate finances is the only possibility for us to stay together. 100% separate bank accounts, credit cards, retirement funds, etc. I pay 90% of all the bills, including taxes, car insurance, health benefits, and utility. She only pays for food, home decor and clothes. She likes to manage her own investments, I manage my own. Perhaps the only stuff we buy together is lottery tickets LOL. If this changes, I soon move out and file for divorce. Another anchor could be your ageing parents and troublesome kids. All of which is bad.

Marriage:

The only marriage that gets my stamp of approval is when the man is 50 or older. If you want marriage at this age, then ok. But let me clarify. Girlfriends with kids, mortgages, car loans, and property ownership are technically marriage. So beware. And stay out of this shit as far as you can.

FKK women:

I do fall in "love" with certain girls and they become my so-called "regulars / favorites / spoiled / overpaid". However, it gets kinda boring after about 5-10 rooms. I catch myself fantasizing about taking sex to the next level. It may be a room with another man, or group fuck, or some extras she doesn't provide, anal, deepthroat, etc. Of course she will be shocked if you ask for a new thing! It has been too easy for her to use you as a cash cow LOL. Spiritual connection (measured in Euros) is fine, but sex does slide into uninspiring tediousness rather quickly. I need variety. It's inevitable, regardless how good the sex was at the beginning. The more time goes on, I need a girl to be cheaper, more trash, and be happy about it. The only solution seems fucking new girls and visiting different clubs. If I lived in Germany I would most likely have at least one favorite in each club and rotate them weekly.

[HungryStud101]

Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal..

Yes. I have friends that like American and Canadian strip clubs. Can you imagine that? Spending $200-400 USD and not even fucking the girl or getting your cock sucked? I have met an old monger that only does massage now (to orgasm). "Hmmm?" I thought? Pay that money and you don't even fuck them? But as I age I kind of understand it. Let her do all the work. I have tried this for my last orgasm of the day when I binge hobby at the FKK/Clinica and I have enjoyed it. Also, there is a considerable difference between Sharks and say the Living Room for example. I found that you just have to have the right mindset and you can enjoy both.

I do like to hear what other guys like because it gives me ideas to try new things. I like to hear about new things including new services, strategies, new girls, new clubs, and new geographies. After all, that is what ISG is all about.

Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me...I like it when she fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage. I think the GF illusion is something some American mongers are after.

I am exactly the opposite. Passionate DFK is critical. What makes a date GFE to me are DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. I have had dates were 1 of the 3 were missing and I have experimentally determined that the one thing I missed most was the DFK. I love GFE (maybe it is a North American thing but it sure isn't exclusively American. I have too many Canadian Anglo and Quebecois friends that would argue with you XXL). The only think I can say I hate is fake moaning and fake orgasms. You don't have to have one for my benefit mind you. I can tell when someone is crying out like a bad porno for my benefit and I hate it. This happens in China. I love the looks but the fake moaning they do kills me (that and the hairy bushes.).

A woman after legal age in the West lasts about as long as a new car. Imagine you car is old and you're not even allowed to get rid of it to buy a new one.

XXL. This is a classic statement.

[Takedown]

Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal. So, I am amazed that some people think even more complex topics like "should you be married / have GFs / monger semi professionally / professionally" and so on can be generalized as if one formula fits all.

If you want to share "this is what I am doing and x and y worked for me but z did not", that is fine and encouraged -- but it is highly arrogant and presumptuous to think one's personal likes and experiences should be the guide posts for anyone else except self.

If you are referring to my posts regarding pro and semi pro mongering in relation to companionship, I think I adequately conveyed that it is my thoughts for myself and in these posts I left the door open for people who truly do not want companionship. I did not mention anything about amount of money to spend so I will assume that your comment regarding this topic was not about my posts.

This topic is in response to one poster who made the comment "We all agreed that professional mongering is better for sex life and cheaper. " When in fact there is obviously no consensus here. My personal thoughts is that it is better to keep the hobby casual and maintain a real life outside. If mainting a real relationship with casual mongering can be achieved, you will have a good sex life and also emotional security in your old age. I am not confident that sustained pro mongering allows for you to attain that emotional security in your golden years.

For me, the worst possible outcome of becoming professional is the real possibility of finding myself over 50 years old without a companion or children and visiting the clubs every weekend.

[Takedown]

What is missing in the discussion is what that woman in real life looks like. What she will look like 10 years from now is easy to predict because very few women are still beddable 10 years on.

Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me. I buy bodily contact. I like it when the girl fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage.

Relinquishing long-term relationships in favour of professional mongering is a necessity dictated not only by women's hypergamous instincts and the horrendous gender bias in family courts, but also by women's ridiculously short shelf-life after legal age..

Mongering is mongering and companionship is companionship. Perhaps some people don't want companionship; that is a personal decision but it would be wise to make sure that one is honest with himself before making that decision. I don't discount that some people can forgoe companionship in favor of a life of satisfying sex with professional stunner women but those people are in an extreme minority. The rest of us are wired to seek companionship. So if you are in the minority of people who can truly and I mean truly commit to a promongering but companionless life then I salute your individual composition. For most people who deep down desire companionship, I think it would be a miserable and pathetic existence to only pay for sex week (end) in and week (end) out.

I may not be as sexually interested in the same woman 10 years from now but I do want children and for my children to have a mother.

All of this is pretty simple common knowledge right? For most of us, it would be a good idea to not tell ourselves lies about what we desire from women, life, and this hobby.

All of this being said, companionship can be bought and that person can develop real emotions over time. Women in my family have who married much older men for security did eventually develop a version of love for their geriatric provider.

[Member #4581]

Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal. So, I am amazed that some people think even more complex topics like "should you be married / have GFs / monger semi professionally / professionally" and so on can be generalized as if one formula fits all.

If you want to share "this is what I am doing and x and y worked for me but z did not", that is fine and encouraged -- but it is highly arrogant and presumptuous to think one's personal likes and experiences should be the guide posts for anyone else except self.

[Free Dude]

Can any of the "pro mongers" tell me how to get in the game? How do you guys get paid for fucking prostitutes? I have been with many, many girls in the clubs, but have never managed to get paid to do so.

[XXL]

We do not all agree. It has been repeated here over and over again like a mantra guys who don't have a GF or wife want to believe in so they don't feel like a loser who has to buy the illusion that girls 1/2 or 1/3 their age like to have sex and spend time with them because they can't get a woman in real life. Takedown's thoughts are worth a second read.

What is missing in the discussion is what that woman in real life looks like. What she will look like 10 years from now is easy to predict because very few women are still beddable 10 years on.

Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me. I buy bodily animal contact. I hate kissing. I like the woman to have a pissy-sweaty smell about her. I like it when she fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage. I think the GF illusion is something some American mongers are after.

Relinquishing long-term relationships in favour of professional mongering is a necessity dictated not only by women's hypergamous instincts and the horrendous gender bias in family courts, but also by women's ridiculously short shelf-life after legal age.

Whatever you think about luuv, girl-friendliness and "real" feelings, mark my words: very few hot women are worth having sex with 10 years on.

Even if she doesn't take you to the cleaners in the meantime, what will you do when your (common law) wive has downgraded from an 8 to a 5? What will you tell her? Will you tell her "the way you look now I wouldn't want you as a girl-friend again"? You won't tell her anything, you will think "does she know what I think of her?". That's absolute hell. Hell for the rest of your life. Decades of hell for the sake of a few years' girl-friend happiness.

A woman after legal age in the West lasts about as long as a new car. Imagine you car is old and you're not even allowed to get rid of it to buy a new one.

[Bfsie]

Unlike the WGs you are with, you get your real GFs' (or wives') exclusive service (they don't fuck other men), their attention and love, which is very important to many men because in deep inside of us we all want to be loved and attended. This is fundamental difference between WGs and GFs (or wives). But the downside of having sturdy GFs or wives is that you basically ruin your sex life with different and various sex partners, which is also important for men biologically and from evolutionary point of view. So the question is how to manage these two conflicting interests.

I think that the best way to do it is to have GFs or wives in real life who love you while you monger in FKK clubs. This is achievable for many international mongers. For locals living in Germany or in neighboring countries without GFs or wives in real life, another option is to find FKK's GFs who love you or at least give you their strong affection and attention which make you feel that you are loved, while you monger in FKK clubs.

If you are married or have sturdy GFs, but I don't think they love you or give you enough affection and attention, I think that you are better off without them in your life, assumed that you don't have other commitments like children and so on.

[MyTwoInches]

OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage......

Just random thought of morning here LOL, but this is true LOL.

If Mr. Ho types up the same thing a thousand times and Mr. Cane dutifully agrees with him, that does not make "we all agreed".

A few dozen posters even bother to write here regularly, and other than you two, only a couple even chimed on this topic occasionally. Most men tune out this tiresome repeated advice on what to do with their life from a couple of anonymous guys who visit German brotels a few times a year.

But it is good to see you propose the theory, claim everyone agrees with you, and conclude it with "it is true".

[The Cane]

Worse, being over 50 without true companionship and visiting clubs every single weekend to buy an illusion sounds like a pathetic existence if you ask me.

A lot of younger guys think like this. It's understandable, especially given all of the societal "indoctrination" that begins the day you are born. Just remember this. "Companionship" and "marriage" are not one and the same thing. You can have companionship without marriage. Even more, you can have a marriage without true companionship! Do what works for you. But remember that. And be careful! Don't let any women score a "takedown" on you, all in the name of love. Protect yourself, including both your own heart as well as any assets you might acquire in life along the way.

[Mr Ho]

No, I don't think we all do. It's a hobby and I prefer to leave it at that rather than committing my entire life to it. Some interactions this past trip led me to ponder some things and I will eventually write up my thoughts about how I came to the conclusion that being a Pro in this hobby is something I want to step back from as I found that the guys who are enjoying it the most are the semi-pro guys. From what I've seen, most of the pros have huge social deficiencies. Worse, being over 50 without true companionship and visiting clubs every single weekend to buy an illusion sounds like a pathetic existence if you ask me. I'm young, single, and have disposable income so I enjoy it now, but in the name of Jesus, if I'm doing this on a weekly basis when I'm single and 50, just shoot me and donate my wealth and possessions to charity.

Is it cheaper? If you're with a gold digger or a failed marriage, perhaps. But in western societies, dual income households have become the norm so the expenses are becoming more and more equally shared. I'm in the 30-40 age range and plenty of women in my generation are earning 6 figure incomes. Mortgages, car payments, child costs, etc are split and paid from a combined household fund..

I be waiting for your conclusive thought then. But in name of jesus you wrote LOL.

Man, don't do it for name of Jesus, it is insulting man LOL.

I do it in name of lust and to live sex lives I dreamed when I was a young, well I began this when I was 17 or 18, so LOL.

I used to do both and in one way I do both still, but I am leaning heavily toward pro monger as it is more efficient.

Yes girls comes in all forms, but I only fuck stunners and beautiful girls and I get normal beautiful girls, but these girls are expensive and it is not like they charge me money, the lifestyle to get them is costing me too much, like cars, wining and dining and all the trips I do with them, so I began to lean more toward professional mongering.

For me, the game changer was that, when prostitution industry began to provide the girls that are young around 20 and they are real stunners, kinda girls I try to get, then this was the game changer for me to turn more toward pro monger.

[Rogue Nation]

OK, we all agreed here before that professional mongering is way better from sexual and sex life stand point and cheaper than marriage or having girlfriend.

We do not all agree. It has been repeated here over and over again like a mantra guys who don't have a GF or wife want to believe in so they don't feel like a loser who has to buy the illusion that girls 1/2 or 1/3 their age like to have sex and spend time with them because they can't get a woman in real life. Takedown's thoughts are worth a second read.