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[XXL]

I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.

No need to be secretive. I visited the AO places in Moers half a decade ago. I visited 5 times and got chlamydia twice. I fucked 2 or 3 girls each time. Doxocycline worked but it put me off AO in Europe. To me it seemed the risk was at least 10 times that of Indonesia or Africa where I had been barebacking then.

Fucking style might be a factor (protracted pounding with hardly any BJs being the worse).

Now I find sex with 0.02 polyurethane condoms is nearly as good as barebacking.

[Pistons]

Fact is, only a tiny bit of the customers go unprotected, so the risk is really minuscule if you go the extra length paying a fortune. And besides, it is even illegal now. So this is an oxymoron topic anyway.

[Chongmal]

I used the word "target" all the time when I am speaking with other customers in the club. The context: asking them which WG they plan to session with next. Also the "target" is not always some innocent prey unable to defend themself. I'd say Egyptian Angelina "targets" newbies. But she's 97% unsuccessful. So the "targets" have the wherewithal to stand their ground and assertively tell her to go away.

With regards to taking advantage, age and experience does not matter. Nor does age and experience connote "power". I'd say many of these younger WGs take advantage of much older, experienced customers by draining their savings. Taking advantage to me would be a Weinstein-type situation. She does not WANT to fuck him, but she does it only because he holds the key to their dreams and aspirations. I can't think of any customers who would hold that amount of power over a WG. Maybe if said customer knows the owner and can get her fired? Or if said customer threatens to out her as a WG to all her friends and family on FB?

Bfsie clearly is confident that he can ignite the chemistry so that WGs actually want to fuck him. That is different from a man with power who blackmails a woman for sex. But in the end it is just my interpretation. I could be completely wrong. Bfsie can correct me and I will take zero offense.

My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.

I also build a target list when I go to the clubs, containing the names of women I hope to session with. Maybe I should change to a more politically sensitive term, perhaps a "List of Eves". No, Eve has a gender and religious context. Can we settle on a "List of Them"?

Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm taking advantage of my List of Them or if they take advantage of me. It seems my abundance of good looks, experience and charm transfer to Them by the end of most nights.

[Trans Atlantic]

All these analysis of STDs stats are really a complete waste of time. Stats reflect group of people/encounters as a whole and not individual people and encounters. It doesn't reflect your lifestyle and / or genes and / or other factors that could make you more susceptible than the "average" person for certain diseases. It doesn't reflect the viral load of the girls you are BBFSing with.

She could be a walking bag of HIV virus vs. she caught HIV from 24 hours before your session changes the risk. She could be testing regularly but if she picked up an STD the first session immediately after providing her blood sample, it renders the negative result she receives two days later meaningless. If the STD she picks up have a long seroconversion period, then the negative results from her next several tests could also be false negatives. By the time the test returns positive, she could have been infecting various customers for weeks without knowing.

Just because that stats is 1% doesn't reflect your individual risk. If it is not 0%, then it means someone caught it and whether it is 10% or 0.04% or 0.000001% is really irrelevant if YOU happen to be that 0.000001%.

What matters is are you wiling to accept the consequences of being infected with a life-changing STD? For some mongers, maybe they don't give a fuck while others, maybe with wife and young kids may have less tolerance to the impacts of catching something as minor as oral herpes/gonorrhea/chlamydia.

There's really no point pushing stats to exaggerate or downplay risks from BBFS as they really have no meaning to an individual. It's an individual monger's choice on whether they are willing to accept risks and consequences STDs present.

That is what I plan to do. I do bareback here at home with working girls, but I also choose too.

Also being in FKK for 9 years without bareback sex, but with all other BBBJ etc and I never got any std in FKK so far, also I never read any std reports from FKK. It is odd though because many of these girls in FKK are quite reckless and fuck so many guys in FKK and outside, but yet, I never heard of incidents of std in FKK.

I suspect not many established board member would go around and advertise they caught a STD especially if they hang out in person with other board members. They would probably setup a duplicate account to do so but then get they get their credibility challenged when people see the low post count of the duplicate account.

[Chongmal]

The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.

With this rationale it's fair to say the FKK ladies are more likely to BB men with less Smegma, I think commonly referred to by some women in the business as White Dick Cheese. As a circumcised male, I can tell you I have been told on multiple occasions by WG that they prefer performing oral, BB or Covered, on a easy to see that it's clean, without sores, and fresh smelling dick. I love reading ISG in the middle of the night when I can't sleep. I never knew there was an actual word for White Dick Cheese. I will take great pleasure in spreading this knowledge to women while spreading legs and parting lips around the FKK arena.

[Pistons]

My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.

Not at all was it negative. But like I normally do, I try to switch up the context and paradigm to put things in perspective. In this case making Bfsie the prey instead of the hunter. But you can switch these things around too if you wish.

[XXL]

Since we are on the topic of BBFS, and HIV probabilty, no one mentioned the benefits of circumcision, ....

Let's say no to sexual mutilations!

Even if it's only males being mutilated and not "poor lill'girls", sexual mutilations are barbaric. Regarless of gender.

[McAdonis]

Hi McAdonis,

If I may take the liberty to suggest, how you have interpreted Bfsie's intuition sounds a tad negative hinting at an older more experienced man (with power) derived from the attributes you have listed has taken advantage of as you say an inexperienced "target" which is a much younger girl as Bfsie has explained. I am quite sure you are not seriously suggesting that here but wish you will confirm that this is the case to alleviate some fears. Thank you.

I used the word "target" all the time when I am speaking with other customers in the club. The context: asking them which WG they plan to session with next. Also the "target" is not always some innocent prey unable to defend themself. I'd say Egyptian Angelina "targets" newbies. But she's 97% unsuccessful. So the "targets" have the wherewithal to stand their ground and assertively tell her to go away.

With regards to taking advantage, age and experience does not matter. Nor does age and experience connote "power". I'd say many of these younger WGs take advantage of much older, experienced customers by draining their savings. Taking advantage to me would be a Weinstein-type situation. She does not WANT to fuck him, but she does it only because he holds the key to their dreams and aspirations. I can't think of any customers who would hold that amount of power over a WG. Maybe if said customer knows the owner and can get her fired? Or if said customer threatens to out her as a WG to all her friends and family on FB?

Bfsie clearly is confident that he can ignite the chemistry so that WGs actually want to fuck him. That is different from a man with power who blackmails a woman for sex. But in the end it is just my interpretation. I could be completely wrong. Bfsie can correct me and I will take zero offense.

My original post did not seem negative to me. KK and Pistons responded to it, maybe they though it was negative too? I don't proof-read every single word in my posts. A third of posters are moderated around here it seems, presumably because someone found their post offensive and reported them. Maybe I should be next.

[Member #4585]

Since we are on the topic of BBFS, and HIV probabilty, no one mentioned the benefits of circumcision, last time I checked it does confer protection against HIV, as the foreskin is highly populated by an immue cell called dendric cells, which are the target cells for HIV itself, removal of the foreskin on the other hand significantly decrease those cells, ergo decreasing the chance of being infected with HIV. No pushing an agends or anything, just worth a read.

The implication of what you have described means it's safer for working girls to bare back an Ottoman since they will be circumcised. Maybe this helps with conversion or why the girls like a relationship with an Ottoman. Just a suggestion.

[Member #4585]

Jazakallah Bitumen, if you're into it there's a great parable by the same poet on the dangers of the animal-soul:

http://www.naseeb.com/journals/very-...m-x-rated-7756

Remember: any loving is good loving. Nice after dinner anecdote.

[Member #4585]

When Bfsie writes that he selectively chooses his BBFS targets based on intuition, I think he means this: he picks only from the pool of WGs that he believes to be strictly "condom only". Then he uses his looks, charm, and experience to seduce his inexperienced target, so that he becomes her first AO experience with a customer.

Hi McAdonis,

If I may take the liberty to suggest, how you have interpreted Bfsie's intuition sounds a tad negative hinting at an older more experienced man (with power) derived from the attributes you have listed has taken advantage of as you say an inexperienced "target" which is a much younger girl as Bfsie has explained. I am quite sure you are not seriously suggesting that here but wish you will confirm that this is the case to alleviate some fears. Thank you.

[Pistons]

When Bfsie writes that he selectively chooses his BBFS targets based on intuition, I think he means this: he picks only from the pool of WGs that he believes to be strictly "condom only". Then he uses his looks, charm, and experience to seduce his inexperienced target, so that he becomes her first AO experience with a customer.

Also known as the Russian tactic?

In mother Russia you don't play the game, the game plays you.

As seen from the girls perspective of course.

[Kosher Kowboy]

When Bfsie writes that he selectively chooses his BBFS targets based on intuition, I think he means this: he picks only from the pool of WGs that he believes to be strictly "condom only". Then he uses his looks, charm, and experience to seduce his inexperienced target, so that he becomes her first AO experience with a customer.

If that system works all the power to him or anyone else who uses that system. All systems are fine if they work except for one; that being the guys who switch positions and rip the condom off in between swapping positions and shove it in. Happens here unfortunately. One of my CFS regs had it happen the other night the guy ended up on the DNS list that gets circulated. Sadly, we have dirtballs among us and I am sure some clown has done that to a WG in an FKK. Other than that I am a fan of whatever works. To each his own. I would however like to borrow some looks and charms though to help my cause. The journey to AO Land has many avenues and paths to arrive at destination, for those that enjoy this activity one must find their groove and what works for them. As to being the first AO experience with a client ever or for that day my thought is ' you are never first and you are never last'.

I always assume they were previously ' vashed'.

[McAdonis]

Avoid the known BB girls at mainstream clubs, probably a wise idea and I agree if one is worried about an STD to do such, to each their own. Now I ask how do you know the ' non well known' BB WG do not really bareback. (They do, all do some it is just more obvious and known) How do you know if a guy just left some random AO Day Care Center with an STD and will do as you say see a lower volume Shark (not picking on Sharks, Sharks being used generically for mainstream clubs) and infect her right before you see her and pick up a present from the Day Care Center delivered to Darmstadt unknowingly?

When Bfsie writes that he selectively chooses his BBFS targets based on intuition, I think he means this: he picks only from the pool of WGs that he believes to be strictly "condom only". Then he uses his looks, charm, and experience to seduce his inexperienced target, so that he becomes her first AO experience with a customer.

[UncleOx]

8/10,000 = 0. 0008 = 0. 08% infected male to female transmission rate.

4/10,000 = 0. 0004 = 0. 04% infected female to male transmission rate.
......
So the probability of a man getting HIV from a single random encounter with a female German sex worker is:
0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008%.

Congratulation, you believe these numbers, and conclude that BBFS in FKK clubs is extremely safe.

The 0.04% infected female to male transmission rate, means, (Assume a WG works 250 days / year), a lucky BBFS guy keeps fucking a HIV infected WG daily for about 10 years, he would have only one single chance to get HIV infection.

I don't believe this BS numbers.

On the other hand, HIV Prevalence among female sex workers in Germany is much higher than 0. 2%.

I once saw a report that HIV Prevalence among male and female sex workers is very close. If HIV Prevalence for male providers is 20%, then it would never be so low for female providers.

Anyway, enjoy your BBFS, good luck.