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[UncleOx]

8/10,000 = 0. 0008 = 0. 08% infected male to female transmission rate.

4/10,000 = 0. 0004 = 0. 04% infected female to male transmission rate.
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So the probability of a man getting HIV from a single random encounter with a female German sex worker is:
0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008%.

Congratulation, you believe these numbers, and conclude that BBFS in FKK clubs is extremely safe.

The 0.04% infected female to male transmission rate, means, (Assume a WG works 250 days / year), a lucky BBFS guy keeps fucking a HIV infected WG daily for about 10 years, he would have only one single chance to get HIV infection.

I don't believe this BS numbers.

On the other hand, HIV Prevalence among female sex workers in Germany is much higher than 0. 2%.

I once saw a report that HIV Prevalence among male and female sex workers is very close. If HIV Prevalence for male providers is 20%, then it would never be so low for female providers.

Anyway, enjoy your BBFS, good luck.

[BigBuddy69]

4/10,000 = 0. 0004 = 0. 04% infected female to male transmission rate.

And that's when the first partner is 100% surely infected. When talking about random encounters you have to multiply the possibility of encountering someone who is HIV infected by the possibility of transmission.

I also provided a reference that puts the probability of encountering HIV in a random sex worker in Germany at 0. 2%.

See page 14. https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf.

So the probability of a man getting HIV from a single random encounter with a female German sex worker is:

0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008%.

Don't forget that your 0.04 % was calculated on a sample of women who were diagnosed with HIV and taking care of their health. If you have sex with a woman in the first stage of infection and with some others frequent STD like gonorrhoea and chlamydia because she's fucking 10 different guys BB per day, the risks are probably much higher.

[Optimist]

I don't want admin to label me as a argumentative member and delay my post in the future, so this is my last post on this topic. I do have the sources telling me about this. Let's leave this like that.

Ok. I accept you have some information of some kind different to my experience/information. I am interested to hear that you have these sources.

No way can you be labelled argumentative. You have replied with good grace

Cheers.

[Takedown]

Good point. Thank you for injecting the voice of reason into this so-called "discussion. " There is no need to glorify activities which expose our working girls to unnecessary risks or which force our working girls to have to take "breaks" during certain treatments, thereby depriving everyone else from enjoying their company for certain periods of time.

So, thank you BigBuddy69.

Come on, that's an arbitrary line for unnecessary risk.

BBBJ is an unnecessary risk but it feels way better than CBJ. Married men fucking prostitutes is an unnecessary risk, but it feels better than fucking the same middle or old age, monotonous vagina. Arbitrary.

TD.

[Neurosynth]

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Also given intercourse with a man who *IS HIV infected*, the transmission rate to women is 0.08% for vaginal intercourse, and 1.38% for anal.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/estimat...behaviors.html

I have read several articles related to those observational studies. Actually, the risk of acquiring HIV is about "per coital act" instead of "per sexual intercourse". So I believe the actual risk should be about 4%-8% per penile-vaginal intercourse if exposures to an infected source.

Yes, per act, that's what I've been saying. But your notion that the risk is 4%-8% is incorrect. See the linked CDC statistics above. Given an infected partner, 8 in 10,000 vaginal male to female events will result in infection, and 4 in 10,000 for female to male.

8/10,000 = 0. 0008 = 0. 08% infected male to female transmission rate.

4/10,000 = 0. 0004 = 0. 04% infected female to male transmission rate.

And that's when the first partner is 100% surely infected. When talking about random encounters you have to multiply the possibility of encountering someone who is HIV infected by the possibility of transmission.

I also provided a reference that puts the probability of encountering HIV in a random sex worker in Germany at 0. 2%.

See page 14. https://ecdc.europa.eu/sites/portal/...ex-workers.pdf.

So the probability of a man getting HIV from a single random encounter with a female German sex worker is:

0. 002 * 0. 0004 = 0. 0000008 = 0. 00008%.

[Polyamorist]

You sure know your Sufism.

Jazakallah Bitumen, if you're into it there's a great parable by the same poet on the dangers of the animal-soul:

http://www.naseeb.com/journals/very-...m-x-rated-7756

[Pistons]

Marketa was saving to do her business in Prague, so she must be somewhere in that beautiful city, she was great and all natural and no tattoo. Golden era of Artemis. Another one I miss is Geraldine Hungarian, Coco Greek albanian, Joy German also know as July in Palace, Kimmi blonde German from Berlin also worked in Palace, Ivy German girl from Hamburg, and list continue. FKK Artemis had real gold era from 2009 till 2015. It was very good 6 years.

Well now we are not doing too bad at all, so let us crave for the best stunners we can find here and there in various FKK.

Yes, many top girls leave. Thankfully some top girls also return, and new ones join the ranks too. Or if you are lucky, you may stumble upon a girl you thought had left long ago, like I did at Wellcum last summer with Natali from Oase. Then there are girls who tell everyone including their friends that they are leaving the business only to leave the club, then I bump into them at a different club like I did with a girl at Oceans who had told all her Wellcum friends that she was quitting for good.

Too bad with Artemis's demise. It could be a generational thing and the club can always make a comeback like other clubs have done elsewhere such as Oase and Palace. But maybe the management was played out after that raid 2 years ago. There are still a few good girls at Artemis, but it is less of a destination worth several days in a row like it used to be. Nowadays Wellcum has taken over that role for me as a solo club with solid lineup. While the Hessen and NRW clubs more help each other.

[Member #4585]

Harassment pure and simple. And who is funding this behavior? We are!

We are like the rich husband whose wife lives a lavish lifestyle supported by him, and disdains him behind his back, and bit by bit in public too. All the time she pushes the boundaries, seeing what she can get away with, while he puts on a brave face.

If management won't listen to you at an FKK, go to another place. Easier said than done I know, but we have to stop funding the MMFKKs! Money talks and right now what we are saying is, "This behavior is normal and acceptable. This is how we value ourselves. ".

"Any wine will get you high.

Judge like a king, and choose the purest".

Mathnawi IV, 2683-96, Rumi.

You sure know your Sufism.

[Pistons]

Indeed Polyamorist. Thankfully there is only one Angelina though. But she is from the underworld. I once had a dream. She was in it, but she had horns on her head. Quite freak dream. LOL!

[Takedown]

Condom use absolutely decreases the risk of both of those. While Herpes can be transmitted through skin-skin contact, it still prevents spread from bodily fluids and sores located on the penis. Condoms are highly effective at preventing Gonorrhoea transmission.

[Polyamorist]

But she gets it more nowadays that she is not my type. But she is still shittalking me to her friends behind my back. I don't know what she says, but her friends don't go with me. Too bad for them I guess. The Angelina influence won't make them much money if that's their tactics to trust in her.

Harassment pure and simple. And who is funding this behavior? We are!

We are like the rich husband whose wife lives a lavish lifestyle supported by him, and disdains him behind his back, and bit by bit in public too. All the time she pushes the boundaries, seeing what she can get away with, while he puts on a brave face.

If management won't listen to you at an FKK, go to another place. Easier said than done I know, but we have to stop funding the MMFKKs! Money talks and right now what we are saying is, "This behavior is normal and acceptable. This is how we value ourselves. ".

"Any wine will get you high.

Judge like a king, and choose the purest".

Mathnawi IV, 2683-96, Rumi.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I don't want admin to label me as a argumentative member and delay my post in the future, so this is my last post on this topic. I do have the sources telling me about this. Let's leave this like that.

I do not think there is anything argumentative in your posts at all, rather very good discussion material. I hope you rejoin the discussion. I disagree with your points, not your right to voice them. I think ' argumentative' would refer more to attacking another member's character not their message or simply disagreeing to disagree with no intention of carrying on a discussion related to the content.

Bfsie. KK did specifically encourage you to continue writing your opinion. I think the crux of the discussion was your suggestion that working girls in AO clubs only work there because they got STDs before working there, and don't care about repeat infections. I am not sure where you got this information from but it contradicts my own experience 100%. They get tested ad nauseam, take prophylactic antibiotics, and worry.

Rocky. Girls in AO Clubs get tested. Girls in non AO Clubs may well never get tested..

Correct on the crux of my points it just so happens I expanded quite a bit on the topic. And yes, I do hope to hear what Bfsie feels on my reply to his statements if he chooses to post. Polite and civil always works best as you say, keeps members focused on the topics at hand rather than flaming each other and firing insults which certainly block the flow of good discussions. Which is why I dissented against the opinion of Bfsie not he the poster. We are all equals. We just do not think alike at times and this is good otherwise the red couches would be too full. Or maybe empty.

On top of the Crux you refer I also wanted to bring to light the hypocrisies that exist that if you AO a Gypsy you will be in a coffin tomorrow but if you AO in a mainstream club you are sticking your dick in the Virgin Mary. AO is beyond rife in the mainstream clubs, guys go between clubs including AO clubs. ' Cross contamination' is unavoidable so IMHO for one to think you can AO some girl at a real FKK club 'safely' is IMO not correct.

[Bfsie]

I think the crux of the discussion was your suggestion that working girls in AO clubs only work there because they got STDs before working there, and don't care about repeat infections. I am not sure where you got this information from but it contradicts my own experience 100%.

I don't want admin to label me as a argumentative member and delay my post in the future, so this is my last post on this topic. I do have the sources telling me about this. Let's leave this like that.

[BaltiX]

It seems like the FKK clubs located in Frankfurt itself (Mainhattan and Palace) follow the condom law strictly, more so than other clubs based on posts I read here. Why is that?

[Optimist]

KK. Thank you for your insistence on polite and civilised discussion. Unlike many ISG members you show it is possible to disagree (as you and I do on some matters) and remain on good terms.

As for AO girls not caring about STDs. Every one I have discussed this with have been very concerned and are horrified if any of their colleagues, or themselves, get an infection. They are as reluctant as anybody to get ill (I wish I could convince them to stop smoking).

Bfsie. KK did specifically encourage you to continue writing your opinion. I think the crux of the discussion was your suggestion that working girls in AO clubs only work there because they got STDs before working there, and don't care about repeat infections. I am not sure where you got this information from but it contradicts my own experience 100%. They get tested ad nauseam, take prophylactic antibiotics, and worry.

Rocky. Girls in AO Clubs get tested. Girls in non AO Clubs may well never get tested.

Cheers to you all.