Kaohsiung

[BruceTea]

So the total damage comes down to 2500+200=2700.

This leave me with the question to ask, should I tip or not. I usually don't tip for this kinda service because I will be back for the girls anyways, and usually if I like them it would be the same girl. What do you guys think? Tip or not, and will this spoil them and lead them to think it's ok to jack up the price?

That's actually a good deal. I haven't visited a "hotel" service (wink wink) in a few years, but I remember those places as one of the first places to go for FS. Anyway, I've never gotten it lower than 3000 nt (that includes everything: room and girl). I've never tipped the girl, but since you got such a great deal, I really don't see why not. Rule of thumb. In Taiwan, NO tipping is expected unless it's stated upfront. For outcall services (tea services, hint hint) , there is a no penalty for changing girls, but once you selected, the pimp (agent, whatever) tells you upfront that you have to give the girl a 200 nt cab fare. But they do tell you ahead of time.

And since you like her and want her again in the future, do whatever you want. In Taiwan, people do stupid things with their money without regards to others so you'll only be jacking up the prices for yourself next time. She'll be happy to see you (a tipper) and maybe give you better service. But for others who get her, they'll pay the same price and get the service they came for: wham bam thank you ma'am. But I'd say no one tips for service. They only tip because they like the girl and want to maintain a better relationship with her.

I have no idea about the coffee code word. I think that's in Taipei where there are cafe internet places with BJ and feel ups.

But thank you for your report. I miss the old style of getting girls. I also would mention that one difference in hotel style is BBBJ. I remember I got that a good portion of the time. No massages or much foreplay, but a BBBJ, covered for lovin, and then shower together. Another old time fun is the mo mo tea shops (long gone) which also had BBBJs. And that was nasty because there were no showers in that tiny room. She wipes your dick with a wiping clothe and sucks on it. Pretty nasty given the humid weather and leftover [CodeWord140] on your dick. But love the style and fun and the favorable pricing. I think it was 800 nt for BJ and touching. $1000 tip for girl if she decides for FS with you. Again, that was over 10 years ago so I may have the prices wrong.

[Kobo51]

I visited this hotel today that was mentioned in Seamaser's most "#55". Walked in and right away the a guy greeted me and leaded me to a room, and asked me if I was staying overnight or just resting. I asked him straight out and said I want a FS massage, and he seems very cautious and was worried if was a cop. It took some time to clear this matter up, but apparently they have a secret code for girls. The guy told me coffee is used instead of coming out straight and strong. Apparently there was a place busted not too long ago. The entire building was busted not just one establishment, and I guess that's why he is so up tight cautious.

Anyways I never had a viet girl before and heard they were good, so when the guy asked me what type of girl I want I just told him slim and pretty, and he also told me that if I don't like her I can tell him and he will switch up. The first girl that came in was what I was looking for, because she resembles one of my good friend who I would love to bang, but sadly didn't, which is a good thing because if I banged my friend we would just be fuck buddies. Anyways. This girl's name is "Moon" in Chinese it would pronouce (yue4 liang4). She is got a pretty face and a natural b cup. We headed to the shower together and she washed me up and tried up. She actually brushes her teeth before service, which is nice. After I laid on the bed and she gave me a good 5 min BBBJ, and caped my tool, and asked ride in cg style, and switched into missionary. *Tip here: always make sure you take a shit before action. I was so backed up and needed to go real bad so it was kinda hard to keep my cock stiff, so I told her to give me a HJ instead, and she did so and lick my nipples at the same time and let me rub her pussy as well. Finally I came and we went to the shower and cleaned up chatted a bit. I smoked in the room and she didn't so we just chatted and she seems like she was waiting for me to tip her, because there is this weird atmosphere or awkwardness in the room after finish. Before leaving the room she hugged me and reminded me her name, and I told her I would come back for her next time. We went out the door together and met the guy at the lobby. When I was waiting for the elevator I took out 200nt and gave it to the girl.

So the total damage comes down to 2500+200=2700.

This leave me with the question to ask, should I tip or not. I usually don't tip for this kinda service because I will be back for the girls anyways, and usually if I like them it would be the same girl. What do you guys think? Tip or not, and will this spoil them and lead them to think it's ok to jack up the price?

[BruceTea]

This info was given by friends and long time veterans of this thread. Thank you Valder and others.

The Feng Shan Strip is along Jiu Roo First Road. Along that road, there are SPAs and Massage Parlors (around 10 of them) which can be hits or misses. As Seamaster mentioned, the quality is declining, but if you want to try it out for the massage, it's a good gamble. The massages are somewhat decent and moderately priced. Around 1300-1600 nt for 90 minutes could get a nice full body massage with a possibility of HJ. Anything extra is up to you and the masseuse. I'd say the fun factor is a 7 out of 10. The girls are a hit or miss, but I'd say most are 4-6 out 10 in looks with an occassional 7 or 8 out of 10 in looks.

Beyond the Feng Shan Strip, go to Feng Shan Road and make a left. That intersection should have a 24 hour Fruit Stand and when you make a left, there is a large gas station to your right. You're in the correct direction. Keep going (it'll be a 5-10 minute motorscooter ride or car ride). You'll get to a huge intersection where you will see a McDonald's to your left (see attachment with the red D marked). Don't do anything, keep going straight. That McDonald is the midway point to your destination. For further directions go to Valder's more detailed map seen on Post #28 of this thread.

As you go further, you will see a few SPAs and Massage Parlours mostly to your left (they are ALL on that side). Mostly small and hints of Vietnamese service. One I believe is near a Domino's Pizza. That one looks nice and modern but I've tried it and it was a waste of time. Ugly girls. I've seen 5 of their girls and to me, none are do-able. Keep going and you'll see more. These are it. Several are very good and the I'd rate the service 7 out of 10 for most of them. Girls I'd say you'll easily find someone you'll like. Rating are more favorable than the Feng Shan Strip. Prices are 1600 nt for 40 minutes which includes massage, showers, and a HJ / BJ.

If you keep going, there is a Highway 1 overpass. See pic attachment. Most of the good massage parlors are before that overpass. If you go beyond the overpass, you will see another McDonald's! Beyond the overpass, there are 2 more parlors and passing the McDonald's, you will find another one. The one beyond the McDonald is pretty good. They're all pretty good, but you'd have to find girls to your liking.

Once you pass the one that's beyond McDonald, you can stop or go back. None are beyond that point.

[Seamaster811]

Some of us hit up places outside of Kaohsiung City for cheap service. Usually the price is 1600 for 40 minutes of FS. And while the quality of the girls can't compare to those in the city, it's still a pretty good bang for your buck when you just need a quick fix. Most of these places seem to be in Feng Shan. There's the strip on Jian Guo Road and some more on Feng Song Road near the 10 Freeway. I hit up Jian Guo Road sometimes when I just need a cheap bang, and the girls used to be doable, but unfortunately I can't say that's the case anymore.

Long story short, the last 3 times I went to the Feng Shan Strip, the girls have been pretty bad. None of the girls I liked before work there anymore, and the new ones have gone sharply down in quality. Before the girls were like 30+ and average a 7, maybe an 8 if you're lucky, but now the girls are pushing on 40 and average 5-6. Seriously, it's that bad. And the service has gone down quite a bit too. Alice Spa used to do cat washes and sometimes BBBJ on the shower bed but now you just lay there to get lathered up and that's it. One of the pimps I'm kind of cool with at Crystal Spa kind of let me know that something was up but said he couldn't divulge too much, but he made it clear that this is how things are now and it'll probably be that way for awhile.

So just letting you guys know. It's still the cheapest option for FS, but know beforehand that you're getting girls around 40 that average 5-6 in dim lighting. Might be a problem for some, might not for others. Personally, I don't think the Feng Shan Strip is worth going to anymore. If price is your main concern, just go to the old apartment buildings on Qi Xian Road that advertise 24H KTV like Hawaii Spa or something. Same price, 1600 for 40 minutes of FS, but the girls are better. Just my two cents.

Peace out.

[Seamaster811]

As recommended by BruceTea, I decided to hit up Van Gogh to see how it compares to Green House. Here is my review.

First off, directions. Take the MRT to Formosa Boulevard Station and take Exit 10. Walk up towards Qi Xian Road and turn right without crossing the street. Keep walking for a little bit and you'll see Galaxy Casino on your right. The entrance is curved and says Johnnie Walker in huge letters on the top. Go in and you'll see 3 elevators. Take it up to the 14th floor and the elevator will open up to the lobby of Van Gogh. The price is 1600 for 50 minutes of HS with the option for FS at the discretion of each individual girl.

My first impressions of the place are that it's a less fancy version of Green House. The setup is kind of the same. Elevator doors open up to the lobby, there's some people behind a small front desk, and a few chairs in the waiting area. No porn mags that I could see. The decor is quite average with some telltale signs of age, but still pretty good. There's music playing in the background but it's more run-of-the-mill pop songs and less love motel tunes like Green House. Lighting is also dimmer and just straight up yellow lights. The rooms are big and while the bed is still technically a massage bed with a hole for your face, the size is about a single size bed, which gives you more room to work with when you get your thrust on. Overall, the size and ambiance of Van Gogh is better than your usual 1st floor walk-in, but it's a noticeable notch down from Green House.

So I got off the elevator and a guy just lead me to a room while asking me if there was a specific girl I wanted. No asking me if I've been here before or wanting to see some ID. I just said that I wanted to try a new girl and he said he would set it up for me. After about 3 minutes in the room, the first girl came. Mid-20s, good face, decent body, sweet smile. Normally I would have picked her but I sent her back just so I could see more girls. The second girl who came was #567: Chinese, late-20s, tall, thin, small boobs, decent face. She had a tattoo showing on her cleavage and I thought that was pretty hot, so I picked her. The routine was pretty regular. Showered by myself, mediocre massage on the bed, HJ, CBJ, then back to a HJ for the finish. Fairly decent, albeit a bit bland. She asked me if I wanted to do FS but I wasn't really feeling her so I declined. After I busted, she helped me shower and I paid at the front desk. Overall, I'd say face = 7, body = 7, service = 6. Can't say I'd recommend her but not much to complain about either.

The first experience was quite average, but this place came highly recommended, so I decided to give it another go a few days later. First girl who came was mid-20s, short, petite, flat, but cute face. Second girl was also mid-20s, medium height, nice curves, but didn't look too enthusiastic. The third girl who came was actually the same girl who came first during my last visit (mid-20s, good face, decent body, sweet smile) , and I liked her the first time, so I decided to get her. Same routine as usual. She tea bagged a bit and gave a few licks on the bare pole before putting on a condom for a CBJ. Then I flipped her over and sucked on her tits and kissed her neck, which she was responsive to, so I went for some light kissing and she kissed back, which lead to some DFK. I asked her if she does FS and she said 1000 extra, and it was on. It was a pretty good romp. She got into it and the moaning quite loud but not too fake. I paid the extra 1000 for FS to her before leaving the room, then paid the front desk 1600 before leaving. Overall, I'd say face = 8, body = 8, service = 9. Definitely try her out. I forgot her number but she has straight shoulder length hair with highlights. I'm definitely getting her again so I'll update with her number when I know.

So how does this place compare to Green House? Well, location and convenience is about the same, as is the price. As far as the facilities go, Green House is definitely more luxurious while Van Gogh is mediocre but decent. Girl-wise, the quality is about the same but Van Gogh does seem to have slightly younger ones, so I'll give them the upper hand there. As for service, I think the Green House girls do a better job at the massage, HJ, BJ, and simulating sex. At Van Gogh no one simulated sex with me and it was just a straight up HJ / BJ until bust. The main difference as I see it is that it's extremely difficult to get FS at Green House whereas at Van Gogh it's quite easy. So in the end, it depends on what you want. If you want to enjoy yourself at somewhere posh and don't need the FS, then Green House is better. But if you need the FS to get your bang on, then Van Gogh would be a better choice.

And that's all there is to it.

[LennyBerg]

Hi Bros,

Anyone can share if any of the spas are still open for FS or HS? I will be heading to Kaohsiung on Sunday leaving on Wednesday.

Please share the address and if possible directions to get there also as I see the FRs are already quite old.

Very much appreciated!

[SHjack]

First time I went to Green House, they did ask to see my I'd and even asked me to give them my phone number. I think they can smell a newbie a mile away. Shouldn't be a problem, they just want to look at it.

This has been the case even in the FongShan area where I've ventured to recently. One place is next to a steak restaurant and after asking for and looking at my identification, told me only a few girls is working and I'd have to wait. Asked how long and he told me an hour. I left.

I've also been to a few places Valder talked about in the far reaches beyond Fong Shan. No MRT in that area so a long motorscooter ride or a car is necessary. But in that area, there are over 10 massage parlors / spas on the same side of the street that start from 1600 nt and that's for either FS or BJ ending. They're pretty much the same set up. You go in and the first floor is the reception. They take you to a locked 2nd or 3rd floor and you wait in a small dark room that has a massage table. You wait for your lineup. It's really hit or miss as you could get a lineup of 4-5 girls you don't want to take (and want to leave immediately) or you can find someone you like after a few looks. That's not a problem. The problem is, would you get up and leave and risk getting hassled? Pretty much all the shops let me leave after not finding one I like. None gave me a problem in-store. But one did have a guy follow me to my motorscooter. I'll post that story and picture of that shop when I get a chance..

Thanks Bruce Tea,

Glad I am not the only one that gets their ID checked.

Seamaster, yes, I am a nervous one. I need to work on that. I guess I also look a little ex-military. Clean cut, short hair, muscular. Maybe that is why they think I am LE.

Guess I also need to find a place or 2 I like and become a regular, hopefully that will make getting a little action less stressful!

Cheers,

J

[BruceTea]

First time I went to Green House, they did ask to see my I'd and even asked me to give them my phone number. I think they can smell a newbie a mile away. Shouldn't be a problem, they just want to look at it.

This has been the case even in the FongShan area where I've ventured to recently. One place is next to a steak restaurant and after asking for and looking at my identification, told me only a few girls is working and I'd have to wait. Asked how long and he told me an hour. I left.

I've also been to a few places Valder talked about in the far reaches beyond Fong Shan. No MRT in that area so a long motorscooter ride or a car is necessary. But in that area, there are over 10 massage parlors / spas on the same side of the street that start from 1600 nt and that's for either FS or BJ ending. They're pretty much the same set up. You go in and the first floor is the reception. They take you to a locked 2nd or 3rd floor and you wait in a small dark room that has a massage table. You wait for your lineup. It's really hit or miss as you could get a lineup of 4-5 girls you don't want to take (and want to leave immediately) or you can find someone you like after a few looks. That's not a problem. The problem is, would you get up and leave and risk getting hassled? Pretty much all the shops let me leave after not finding one I like. None gave me a problem in-store. But one did have a guy follow me to my motorscooter. I'll post that story and picture of that shop when I get a chance.

My suggestion for the Fong Shan area is to be polite and pretend you got a call from your wife or something. Even without Chinese, a "honey" or "I come home" will be sufficient. The far reaches of Fong shan has a lot of parlors and since the reception area is in the first floor, you'd have to mind your manners and swiftness there.

In my opinion, I'd stick to the city center places recommended in the previous few pages of this thread for most people. They're by far the most consistent and still a notch above the ones that are not in the city area. But for the same price, the city area ones only result in a HJ, but the outer city areas end up with FS or a BJ. But the girl quality is consistently better in the city area.

[Seamaster811]

Hey Seamaster,

Thanks very much for the below info.

LOL! I am usually smarter than that, but I guess my little brother is pretty dumb and only thinks about one thing!

I didn't notice the phone number until you mentioned it but you are right, the number shows up on my phone as "+9XXXXXXXX" nine digits total, where as local calls are "09XXX." 10 digits including the "0". All the numbers are like this. The girl, the pimp and one other number which I did not answer after things went south.

Thanks for that tip! Makes me feel much better that they are probably not in Taiwan.

I guess they are using VPN to spoof their location on Momo? I noticed the last known location of the girl was within 5km of me.

Thanks also for your tips. I have learned my lesson! And thanks the recommendation for Green House. I have been there once. They also asked me if I was LE and wanted to see my I'd (which I didn't bring as I didn't want to lose if I got shook down.) I'll stick to known places recommended by more experienced brothers on this forum!

In hindsight I feel silly that I fell for this, but hope that others can learn from my mistake.

Cheers! SHJack.

Hm, that's odd. I've never heard of Green House giving anyone a hard time before. Maybe you looked nervous or something? I don't know. And FYI, they have some really nice porn mags in the waiting area. That's not what you're there for, of course, but just saying, they're good!

But yeah, stay off the internet and stick to walk-ins. And if you happen to venture out and try a new one, be sure to write a review!

[SHjack]

Hey SHjack.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. What you encountered was a classic P4P scam where a girl contacts you online, she miraculously happens to be in the same city as you, you arrange a meet up, but before you can see the girl you need to confirm you're not a cop through various methods that all involve money. It's a classic scam that's been going on for years.

5, 000 isn't that bad. Good thing you had the smarts to pull out before it got any higher. They will keep milking you non-stop and I've known people who've been scammed out of 30, 000+. Consider yourself lucky. And yes, it's "tuition".

What you should do now is just ignore them. Don't confront them, explain yourself to them, or even reply to their texts. They will threaten to kill you or whatever but it's all empty threats. Did you notice that the number they used to call you (not the girl, but the dudes') all look funny? That's because these scam groups are all based in China. So don't worry about the threats. Just completely ignore them and they will leave you alone after a week or two...

Hi Seamaster,

Thanks very much for your reply and information.

Now that you mention it, yes, the phone numbers are different from local numbers. They were +9XXXXXXXX numbers, not 09XXXXXX numbers like local mobiles.

I am very relieved to know they are probably not in Taiwan.

They must have been using some sort of VPN as the MoMo app showed her location was 5km away from me, but her number was one of the +9XXX. Numbers.

I will definitely stick to the places recommended by more experienced brothers on this forum.

I have been to Green House once before. They kinda gave me a hard time about proving I was not LE. I was not carrying any ID in case I got shook down.

Thanks again for your reply!

[SHjack]

Hey Seamaster,

Thanks very much for the below info.

LOL! I am usually smarter than that, but I guess my little brother is pretty dumb and only thinks about one thing!

I didn't notice the phone number until you mentioned it but you are right, the number shows up on my phone as "+9XXXXXXXX" nine digits total, where as local calls are "09XXX." 10 digits including the "0". All the numbers are like this. The girl, the pimp and one other number which I did not answer after things went south.

Thanks for that tip! Makes me feel much better that they are probably not in Taiwan.

I guess they are using VPN to spoof their location on Momo? I noticed the last known location of the girl was within 5km of me.

Thanks also for your tips. I have learned my lesson! And thanks the recommendation for Green House. I have been there once. They also asked me if I was LE and wanted to see my I'd (which I didn't bring as I didn't want to lose if I got shook down.) I'll stick to known places recommended by more experienced brothers on this forum!

In hindsight I feel silly that I fell for this, but hope that others can learn from my mistake.

Cheers! SHJack.

Hey SHjack.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. What you encountered was a classic P4P scam where a girl contacts you online, she miraculously happens to be in the same city as you, you arrange a meet up, but before you can see the girl you need to confirm you're not a cop through various methods that all involve money. It's a classic scam that's been going on for years.

5, 000 isn't that bad. Good thing you had the smarts to pull out before it got any higher. They will keep milking you non-stop and I've known people who've been scammed out of 30, 000+. Consider yourself lucky. And yes, it's "tuition".

What you should do now is just ignore them. Don't confront them, explain yourself to them, or even reply to their texts. They will threaten to kill you or whatever but it's all empty threats. Did you notice that the number they used to call you (not the girl, but the dudes') all look funny? That's because these scam groups are all based in China. So don't worry about the threats. Just completely ignore them and they will leave you alone after a week or two...

[Seamaster811]

You can't seem to receive PMs. Go to page 4 of this thread for the Green House info.

[Seamaster811]

Hi Everyone,

Had an embarrassing and confusing experience tonight that I thought I should share / ask for comments on.

I was approached online by a "22 yo student" offering "compensated dating".3, 000NTD for 2hours. This was on the mainland hook-up app called "MoMo" &38476; &38476;

I am an ABC and my Chinese is not that great, but I decided to give it a go and ended up texting her on "LINE"

She told me to go to a street in Fengshan District, then called me saying a guy (her pimp) would call me.

He did. And asked me to buy 3, 000NTD worth of "My Card" points at the nearest convenience store.

I did. Then sent a photo of the card I'd and password to the girl.

Next the pimp calls me back and told me the points are valid, but since its my first time using his service, he needs to ensure I am not LE.

He asks me to put up a bond. 20, 000NTD worth of "My Card" points. Which the girl will repay in cash once she meets me and looks at my I'd to ensure I am not LE.

I am uncomfortable with this number, and am pretty sure they already have access to the points I already bought. In any case, only have 2, 000NTD in cash on me. He says this is fine, so I stupidly buy 2, 000NTD more in "MyCard" points.

The guy calls back again saying the points are valid, but the girl is nervous that I really am LE and asks me to buy 8, 000NTD more.

I decline saying (truthfully) I have no more cash. He threatens to kill me.

I get the heck out of the unfamiliar neighborhood and go home. The girl continues to LINE me saying she will definitely refund the deposit money, but that I just need to do it to prove I am not LE. She is very insistent that she will give me good service once the deposit is taken care.

I go on to the "MyCard" Taiwan website and see that the points have already been redeemed. I figured as much. But I have never used "MyCard" so have no idea how it all works, what the point are used for, how to get a cash refund, etc.

I don't have much experience with P4P. Never done outcall before, so don't know how the payment system usually works. And my Chinese is not good enough to navigate the Taiwan websites on mongering.

But seems to me that sending passwords for digital recharge cards before the deed is done is a great way to get ripped off.

I am fine with losing 5, 000NTD. Call it tuition. But just don't want any further trouble with the pimp. He claims he will come after me. He has my phone number.

Any comments or suggestions? Thanks.

Hey SHjack.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you. What you encountered was a classic P4P scam where a girl contacts you online, she miraculously happens to be in the same city as you, you arrange a meet up, but before you can see the girl you need to confirm you're not a cop through various methods that all involve money. It's a classic scam that's been going on for years.

5, 000 isn't that bad. Good thing you had the smarts to pull out before it got any higher. They will keep milking you non-stop and I've known people who've been scammed out of 30, 000+. Consider yourself lucky. And yes, it's "tuition".

What you should do now is just ignore them. Don't confront them, explain yourself to them, or even reply to their texts. They will threaten to kill you or whatever but it's all empty threats. Did you notice that the number they used to call you (not the girl, but the dudes') all look funny? That's because these scam groups are all based in China. So don't worry about the threats. Just completely ignore them and they will leave you alone after a week or two.

For future reference, never solicit a girl online UNLESS the girl or the company is recommended to you by a trusted source who has first-hand experience. Internet P4P in Taiwan is a very dangerous undertaking. Most of them are scams, some of them are cops. You don't want either. There are some legitimate ones out there, but the chances of you finding them by fishing in the blind is way too low. Also, you have no reason to resort to the internet. The streets are littered with walks-ins and almost all of them are legit with market prices and services that are pretty standard. If you're new and iffy about just randomly walking into one, just read up on the reviews in this forum and go to some of the tried and trusted places. I recommend starting with Green House. I'll link you the review in a PM.

Good luck out there. Stay safe bro.

[SHjack]

Hi Everyone,

Had an embarrassing and confusing experience tonight that I thought I should share / ask for comments on.

I was approached online by a "22 yo student" offering "compensated dating".3, 000NTD for 2hours. This was on the mainland hook-up app called "MoMo" &38476; &38476;

I am an ABC and my Chinese is not that great, but I decided to give it a go and ended up texting her on "LINE"

She told me to go to a street in Fengshan District, then called me saying a guy (her pimp) would call me.

He did. And asked me to buy 3, 000NTD worth of "My Card" points at the nearest convenience store.

I did. Then sent a photo of the card I'd and password to the girl.

Next the pimp calls me back and told me the points are valid, but since its my first time using his service, he needs to ensure I am not LE.

He asks me to put up a bond. 20, 000NTD worth of "My Card" points. Which the girl will repay in cash once she meets me and looks at my I'd to ensure I am not LE.

I am uncomfortable with this number, and am pretty sure they already have access to the points I already bought. In any case, only have 2, 000NTD in cash on me. He says this is fine, so I stupidly buy 2, 000NTD more in "MyCard" points.

The guy calls back again saying the points are valid, but the girl is nervous that I really am LE and asks me to buy 8, 000NTD more.

I decline saying (truthfully) I have no more cash. He threatens to kill me.

I get the heck out of the unfamiliar neighborhood and go home. The girl continues to LINE me saying she will definitely refund the deposit money, but that I just need to do it to prove I am not LE. She is very insistent that she will give me good service once the deposit is taken care.

I go on to the "MyCard" Taiwan website and see that the points have already been redeemed. I figured as much. But I have never used "MyCard" so have no idea how it all works, what the point are used for, how to get a cash refund, etc.

I don't have much experience with P4P. Never done outcall before, so don't know how the payment system usually works. And my Chinese is not good enough to navigate the Taiwan websites on mongering.

But seems to me that sending passwords for digital recharge cards before the deed is done is a great way to get ripped off.

I am fine with losing 5, 000NTD. Call it tuition. But just don't want any further trouble with the pimp. He claims he will come after me. He has my phone number.

Any comments or suggestions? Thanks.

[BruceTea]

The english name of this place is called Van Gogh.

I don't know the exact address, but it's on Chi Sien 1st Road. Look at Seamaster's post of Hawaii Spa and walk in that area. Van Gogh is in that area. I've attached a picture for reference, as it is easy to find and very noticeable.

The building set up is clearly similar to Green House (read all the past posts about Green House). Ground floor is Galaxy Casino (a video casino place). One of the floors is Tai Zhi (Prince KTV). Van Gogh is on the 14th floor. Go to the building and there are 4 elevators (similar to Green House). Push the 14th floor (there is a small sticker next to 14th floor that says Van Gogh in Chinese).

Once you get to the 14 floor, the lobby is similar to GH. There is an aquarium, a reception area, chairs and tables to wait, and a left hallway and a right hallway. The guy will take you and tell you the price. 50 minutes for 1600 nt.

Once in the room, you wait for the girl to come one by one. The room is nice. Very GH-like and clean and decent showers with decent amount of hot water. Believe me when I say I've been to dumps where the water pressure is poor and with little to no hot water. Anyway, nice ambiance, LCD tv, and clean.

Girl come in. You like, you keep. You don't like, she goes and gets next girl.

Once you select, she tells you to shower and there are clean towels in the room. You shower and wait for the girl to come back.

On to the massage table. Naked, you lie on your front and she gives a massage. About 15-20 minutes. To me, it's ok. Massage is clearly not their strengths or what they are good at. My girl massaged me naked, as she pretty much took off her clothes before the massage. Nothing great nothing erotic (read my previous posts if you want 'erotic' massage).

On to the front. Same drill as GH. Rub your nipples, get on top of you, you play with her breasts, etc. HJ included. Extras at your own negotiation skills and what she is willing to do.

Out of the five times I've been here, all were excellent experiences. Highly recommended. Easy to find location, Nice rooms, clean and modern, pretty girls, good service, very good value for a very fun time.

Have fun.