LilJoey vs Climaxnow, Uke Boy, Muddy7, Barba, et al.

[Member #4491]

LJ, I also enjoy to dive down there and make a girl come, but I could not lick on plastic. At least I think it would make me loose the interest for licking her pussy. But I never tried so maybe it is better than it sounds. I always like to lick the girl a bit in the ass also so I would need a plastic bag.

I understand the analogy with food but it is the opposite of how I meant it. A meal that looks good will not by default taste good. And whatever looks good is for me strongly related to how I connect to her personality. Beauty (and ugliness) comes from within is just as corny as it is true. And beauty comes from Mamba just as well as from a club. But if a girl connects AND are photo model pretty in the sense we are trained to judge, why not. Of course this is the best. But for me I rather have the connection than the visual perfection, IF I must choose. That is real steaming sex for me. My sperm is precious to me and should not be wasted on bad attitude. LOL. I can live with a **** and I can live with a "human experience" (fat ass, floppy tits, sweat, etc) but I can not take the bitches that requires men to qualify AND pay them for money. That is the real turn off for me. It is an emotional clash for me that kills my sex drive totally if the woman is passive aggressive and unaccommodating. According to my experience from other locations, the drop dead pretty ones are often of this repulsive type. I am agitating and did not even visit most of those clubs, so take it with a pinch of salt. For sure, if I find both beauty and a honest person for a reasonable price / sacrifice, I will also prefer that. Anyone would. In some cases I feel that I did find both looks and "love" (as in Barry White looooove) on Mamba, and this was with very little time and energy spent; hence the low cost alternatives should at least not be viewed as a time consuming solutions for the eternal cum challenge.

Angus Magee, finally someone does something! Blink.

Barba

[Ronaldinjo]

Man, you are an intelligent person, why are you making exuces all the time for what you writing or thinking? Mutual personal attacks will not lead to positive results. Everyone has its own life and his own opinions, we are democratic society and we can choose to do whatever we like and want, unless it harms someone. In my opinion your writing is very interesting and I read most of it and I like it. Wish ohers could do the same way, we could benefit much more. If someone doesn't like your comments he is welcomed to skip them. I personaly think that accusing you being Rio shill is one big bulshit. By the way Lj, I asked all Rio managers about Leela and Vladislava, they didn't have slightest idea who those girls are. There was one tall blond Stanislava. Are you sure you pronounced correctly the names?

[Schuker69]

after the cat fight i endured the last 2 pages with a barf bag nearby i was wondering who was going to call them out and demand this bs to stop. since i am a newbie to forum it wasn't going to be me. why? from the get go had to defend myself from my very first post, and the next 2 or 3 after that. first post was a very condensed story from a recent 10 week visit to kiev / lviv. immediately got trashed, so i had to defend myself from some members on here for various reasons- where some replies show they can not put a sentence together, do not have any game so trash is thrown, or read a post and do not comprehend it properly. why? who knows? stupidity? meds not kicked in? some accusing me of fabrication, etc. as listed-

- i was accused of being full of shit, (because i had a plan and worked it well)

- mentioned a website where i met a few non pros (for this i was called a shill)

.not enough detail (i was in kiev for 9 weeks and if i was to include a detailed breakdown of my every move it would have filled up 15 pages on here)

- do you have proof? wtf! do you want me to notorize it?

see a pattern here? all this from different members! welcome aboard schuker69! haha. so makes me laugh when i have to read this fighting nonsense from these so called "senior members?" more like senior weenies. so stop the verbal attacks and get back to what is important here- to communicate in a friendly fashion how to meet, hang, and bed many beautiful gems in kiev and surrounding towns because from what i have seen there is plenty to go around and alot of freebies which is the most fun of all. rejection has to be tolerated and part of the game so when it happens just move to the girl 4 feet over and try again. visiting for an extended time like i did and you meet a keeper? a lady you would like to see more as a gf, which always leads to the best sex, which will be fun and dirty too! be nice to her but not a smuck either- like u pick the restaurant (not her until you trust her) and take her out for dinner, talking in a cozy, and quiet environment, sipping on wine, with a lady who is dressed sexy and you don't have to defend against ten other dudes that want her too. of course this is one segment that takes up the calender, while other nites listening to a live band at a club (hard to find" on khrash st, but can't remember the name, not a pick up bar, great music though) or just going solo to caribean club, because lots of babes, and others. yes, i do not understand slavic women but i am trying and this forum helps, but nothing like the real deal. my next trip i will be better prepared and learn a bit of ukrainian / russian phrases as i have a few ladies who i will see again. my ukraine cell phone has many contacts from my trip and there will be more because like i said- i think- it's all in the numbers! i will not comment on rio but suffice to say i agree with barba. next!

the verbal vomit is silly. anyone that can not see that something fishy is going on with rio here prior to the football event, must be blind. i heard they [CodeWord140] in the drinks and date-[CodeWord123] pretty football fans in rio. blink. regardless of who gets paid for what, we can now stop both the pissing fight and the commercials. just stop that shit, please. and no one should be banned. you should just shut the f*ck up on certain topics, gentlemen. be adults.

i do not agree that "night club" is the fastest and easiest way to get a girl in ukraine. mamba is at least just as fast. little joey, your opinions are not facts. they are your opinions. the facts you mix in does not make opinions into anything else but opinions. so let us get the facts strait. it is not so hard or time consuming to score a girl for under 100 usd in ukraine. i had some numbers in my phone and texted them on the bus, and had a girl over in a couple of hours from getting off the plane. and a couple of pretty young girls on hold as well. i do not find it so hard to investigate who has false pictures in vk, mamba, etc. in fact it is quite easy imho. forget the 300 usd girls. it is not so hard to get a pretty girl from mamba. and after you came over her tits or in her pussy, you do not give a f*ck if she is a 7 or a 9 anyway, so no use in getting anal about that.

this is how i see it; if your ego and not your adult self is controlling you, you will need an "objectively high ranked girl" to try to nurture that ill little monster, but if you disconnect from the little insane ego within, you will remember that good sex is not related to the golden rectangle and photo model beauties. every time you deal with these paid yet spoiled prostitution queens that demands you to qualify in several ways, you will loose self esteem and your ego will take a tighter grip of you, pushing you further and further away from relying on your own abilities in exploring the true world of lovely females. i visit clubs on rare occasions but let us face it, rio and such clubs are corrupt environments, totally lacking anything remotely close to a genuine male to female encounter. (i do not mean corrupt in the financial sense and i hope you are intelligent enough to understand that.) sure i am generalizing, but one tasty apple does not make the rotten basket better. from what i saw in ukraine, there are many pretty and available girls in normal clubs, so no need to humiliate yourself.

"it is better to travel well than to arrive."/buddha.

b.

[Angus Magee]

Can somebody (the most intelligent between you two) put an end to this flaming? The first one who will stop and keep silent on this dispute will surely not be an idiot.

I have reported some of the flame posts (both sides) to Jackson. Hopefully he will step in, clean up the thread and perhaps even give some time outs to the participants. It really does showcase just how much some ISG threads need moderation. In the past month or so the Kiev thread has become more and more tiresome to browse for all the posturing and bacl and forth bull shit. It used to be a favorite thread of mine, now I rarely visit.

Grow up guys.

AM

[LilJoey]

LJ,

I am absolutely not trying to flame you but somehow I find this sad to read. If you can not see why, I can not explain licking a rubber and paying her 300 USD for it. What happened with the world?

B

People are different, Barba. I don't know your feelings about DATY and what gives you enjoyment sexually. Some men don't even like to do it. As for myself, a significant part of DATY that I enjoy and arouses me is seeing and feeling how my oral efforts are pleasuring the girl I am with and how her excitement builds and her moans increase and ultimately how her body shakes and abdominal muscles involuntarily convulse from the orgasm I just gave her. It's a big turn on for me. Of course, I like it better when there is natural direct contact of my lips and tongue with the girl's clitoris and pussy generally. But even covered, it is still exciting for me to go down on a very pretty girl and make her cum. Many years ago when I was much more concerned about catching something from DATY, I used to routinely use a plastic sheet on any p4p girl or other girl I didn't know well to do the best I could to have safe sex. In recent years I have not taken such precautions, and prefer to enjoy natural oral sex, both BBBJ and DATY. Anyway, I knew about the issue with Katya and DATY in advance. The first night I spent time with her, I passed on her because of this issue. But I really do like the girl, and on another night when I spent time with her, I decided to take her, even with the limitation of covered oral sex. The $300 fee I paid was to have her as my consort for the night. Her orgasm from the DATY were very sexy. I enjoyed fucking this beautiful girl in many positions. The experience with her was sexually very enjoyable and GFE, despite the lack of the natural oral sex. So, yes I like natural DATY, but even without it, the sex and the relationship that developed between me and Katya was fantastic. I have seen Katya a number of times since, each time was wonderful. The last time we were together recently, DATY was finally natural and not covered. As I reported, all other girls I had from Rio enjoyed DATY (and there were many over the last year's visits) , with the exception of the other girl I mentioned Lera.

Personally, I am only interested in very beautiful girls for p4p sex. I enjoy it. I don't enjoy sex with less beautiful girls as much, and so the nice looking but not really beautiful girls that I have gotten from mamba and top-modals over the years are not very exciting to me. They fill some in between time for me on days in Kiev that I have time to call them. But these above average nice looking girls are not the reason I enjoy Kiev. Even though your pragmatic observation is true, and the ejaculation I will have is physically the same. It is the very high level beauties that I want to have, if I can. The enjoyment of the visual beauty for me is a large factor. So we don't feel the same. To me, your analogy that after the man cum's, it's all the same, so you ask why fixate on very beautiful girls. To me, that's like saying, since everything you eat will ultimately come out as a bowel movement, do what difference does it make what a food tastes like when you eat it. The answer is that one can enjoy the fine taste during eating. Similarly, I enjoy the visual beauty, while I have the sex. I never had to explain this, so it is interesting to try to put it in words. But that's how I feel.

LJ

[Member #4491]

So I split open a condom and put it on her pussy with a little lube underneath and got her little clit hopping, even through the latex.

LJ,

I am absolutely not trying to flame you but somehow I find this sad to read. If you can not see why, I can not explain licking a rubber and paying her 300 USD for it. What happened with the world?

B

[Member #4491]

hello!

the verbal vomit is silly. anyone that can not see that something fishy is going on with rio here prior to the football event, must be blind. i heard they [CodeWord140] in the drinks and date-[CodeWord123] pretty football fans in rio. blink. regardless of who gets paid for what, we can now stop both the pissing fight and the commercials. just stop that shit, please. and no one should be banned. you should just shut the f*ck up on certain topics, gentlemen. be adults.

i do not agree that "night club" is the fastest and easiest way to get a girl in ukraine. mamba is at least just as fast. little joey, your opinions are not facts. they are your opinions. the facts you mix in does not make opinions into anything else but opinions. so let us get the facts strait. it is not so hard or time consuming to score a girl for under 100 usd in ukraine. i had some numbers in my phone and texted them on the bus, and had a girl over in a couple of hours from getting off the plane. and a couple of pretty young girls on hold as well. i do not find it so hard to investigate who has false pictures in vk, mamba, etc. in fact it is quite easy imho. forget the 300 usd girls. it is not so hard to get a pretty girl from mamba. and after you came over her tits or in her pussy, you do not give a f*ck if she is a 7 or a 9 anyway, so no use in getting anal about that.

this is how i see it; if your ego and not your adult self is controlling you, you will need an "objectively high ranked girl" to try to nurture that ill little monster, but if you disconnect from the little insane ego within, you will remember that good sex is not related to the golden rectangle and photo model beauties. every time you deal with these paid yet spoiled prostitution queens that demands you to qualify in several ways, you will loose self esteem and your ego will take a tighter grip of you, pushing you further and further away from relying on your own abilities in exploring the true world of lovely females. i visit clubs on rare occasions but let us face it, rio and such clubs are corrupt environments, totally lacking anything remotely close to a genuine male to female encounter. (i do not mean corrupt in the financial sense and i hope you are intelligent enough to understand that.) sure i am generalizing, but one tasty apple does not make the rotten basket better. from what i saw in ukraine, there are many pretty and available girls in normal clubs, so no need to humiliate yourself.

"it is better to travel well than to arrive."/buddha.

b.

[Muddy7]

katya permitted me to perform daty if she was covered. So i split open a condom and put it on her pussy with a little lube underneath and got her little clit hopping, even through the latex. .

lol ..........

[BionicMan]

Can somebody (the most intelligent between you two) put an end to this flaming? The first one who will stop and keep silent on this dispute will surely not be an idiot.

[LilJoey]

completely untrue. i enjoyed visiting rio to have a beer, listen to the music, and watch the line up. that's where it ended for me because i would have felt foolish to have given $300 to a girl that probably would not kiss me, probably would not let me go down on her, and probably would give me a covered blow job. of course, its not absolute and the girls may stray from there normal practices. as with most prostitutes, the more you see them the more they do. the game in that place was obvious and i did not want to participate.

here's another big downer with rio. don't expect any possible side work from the rio girls. this is a very controlled environment where these girls to not want to loose there jobs. if you visit regular prostitutes, assuming you are a good guy, they will share there friends numbers and you can develop a grape vine of girls. you created a false standard in kiev of $300 covered blow jobs in the wee hours. it took me a week and a half to realize the true standard is in deed $100 an hour for good day time sex, bbbj and daty included. it's not so quickly accessible for first time tourists but if they properly prepare and do the leg work, this is what they will discover.

if you bother to read my reports you will discover which girls gave me bbbj. and others have reported similar results. it's all in the thread. good information, worthwhile knowing, but either you didn't read enough, or you have a closed mind and prefer to follow uke boy and live in the world of "probably" she won't this and "probably" she won't do that. so you held back and didn't take the plunge. you have to take a risk if you want to reap the rewards. only i hoped that my experiences and my reports about them could help make the risk a more educated one for other mongers. each monger needs to make an assessment of the girl he is thinking of inviting home, will she or won't she. this is where each monger must use all the tools at his disposal, including what she let's you do to her in the private dance, how she seems to feel about you, and if you want to risk spoiling the mood or flow, you can simply ask her up front in as charming or cute a way as you can muster, whether she will let you kiss her here or down there etc.. i have sometimes asked in advance, and sometimes rolled the dice without asking, relying in intuition and a feeling of rapport. sometimes i won. sometimes i lost. somehow, though, even if i didn't get the bbbj, when i was with a really beautiful girl who allowed me daty, and the sex was great, and lots of fun, the lack of the bbbj was not a bummer do as to take away how great the experience was overall. but each guy has different feelings on this, and to some the bbbj is all--important, and nothing else good about the sex with a gorgeous girl and how good she looks as you're pounding her pussy in various positions can make up for not having a bbbj. to each his own.

read kirch's recent report. kirch said it accurately. kirsch, please post the names on which girl is doing what. obviously, the thread needs info like that.

daty was never an issue with any of the girls i took home over a full year period of many trips and many girls, with the exception of two girls that i identified for the readership, namely lera and katya. however, katya permitted me to perform daty if she was covered. so i split open a condom and put it on her pussy with a little lube underneath and got her little clit hopping, even through the latex. however, i was happy to report that on my latest trip this year on the date i had with katya on friday night march 30 i was finally permitted to lick her delicious pussy directly, and she loved it. don't know if she is loosening up generally, or whether she had dated me enough times to relax with me. anyway, those are facts. live in the world of facts.

by the way, these concerns over what the girl will do, bbbj or covered blow job, definitely are an issue in all the other venues in kiev too, including mamba girls, and girls from nightclubs, whatever. more and more of the young girls are more health conscious and insisting on covered bj, as in safe sex. so i would not say that the conditions at rio are any different than a cross section of girls off the street, out of a nightclub, or other location. probably the more of an uneducated country hick the girl is, the more likely you are to get a bbbj. the more sophisticated and worldly girls are more health conscious. i have no data to back this last idea up. it's just a hypothesis i have. of course, with freebies you are far more likely to get bbbj and everything you want.

[Muddy7]

So you don't accept an apology and continue the stupidity? Fine. You are a mindless loser. Since you are the same person as Uke Boy, it is obvious why you didn't accept the apology, considering what I recently wrote about him and about his malice and falsehoods. So I take the apologies to you back. You have re-instated yourself as an idiot with a small brain. LOL

LOL

Joey, you're just sooooooooo stupid

so how many user names do you have at this site loser?

[Climaxnow]

no, climaxnow, you falsely reported recently that one can not get daty or bbbj from girls at rio. then you admitted never having taken a girl from rio. then you posted that you might go to rio, implying you had never been. you are a falsifier. you have not posted the truth. many members have gotten bbbj as well as daty from girls at rio. i posted the truth about which girls did give either service and which girls did not give one or the other service. you report falsely. i reported the truth. others like me who are honest have also posted the truth, that it depends on the girl, and it also depends on you and what the rapport between you and the girl is. you have an agenda against rio, together with uke boy, so you falsify and smear without compunction. you have no values? no honor? shame on you. i have told the true facts of my experiences whether good or bad, in order to guide others and forewarn of issues to beware of. in your malice toward me, you have not behaved as an honest person. of that you should be ashamed.

completely untrue. i enjoyed visiting rio to have a beer, listen to the music, and watch the line up. that's where it ended for me because i would have felt foolish to have given $300 to a girl that probably would not kiss me, probably would not let me go down on her, and probably would give me a covered blow job. of course, its not absolute and the girls may stray from there normal practices. as with most prostitutes, the more you see them the more they do. the game in that place was obvious and i did not want to participate.

here's another big downer with rio. don't expect any possible side work from the rio girls. this is a very controlled environment where these girls to not want to loose there jobs. if you visit regular prostitutes, assuming you are a good guy, they will share there friends numbers and you can develop a grape vine of girls. lj created a false standard in kiev of $300 covered blow jobs in the wee hours. it took me a week and a half to realize the true standard is in deed $100 an hour for good day time sex, bbbj and daty included. it's not so quickly accessible for first time tourists but if they properly prepare and do the leg work, this is what they will discover. you really have to throw as much shit against the wall and see what sticks in kiev. this includes getting your ass into those night clubs and doing the tedious work of prospecting on mamba. rio does not play into this schematic because you will not be able to create any friends from that venue.

[Nille Copenhagen]

What is happing to this forum? A big fight! And it has been going on for page.

[LilJoey]

LOL, get a life man.

How many user names do you have here? 4-5? Or more

So you don't accept an apology and continue the stupidity? Fine. You are a mindless loser. Since you are the same person as Uke Boy, it is obvious why you didn't accept the apology, considering what I recently wrote about him and about his malice and falsehoods. So I take the apologies to you back. You have re-instated yourself as an idiot with a small brain. LOL

[Muddy7]

LOL, get a life man

how many user names do you have here? 4-5? or more