Good insight.

[Muddy7]

Muddy, you didn't see any girls that is at least 8-8. 5 in your taste in Rio? So if no 8 girls in Rio, where are you find all those so called beauties? In mamba?

Actually the best looking girl I met in my last 2 trips was on mamba.

She did not have a sex ad.

She was very pretty.

FACE: 8.

Body:7.

Personality: 9.

I met her 2 times in my last trip, but I have not been able to meet her in this trip, maybe she has found a boyfriend / sponsor.

She was 19 and a part time actress, very pretty.

When I search mamba I exclude sex ads, I know most of the profiles are fake, if you dont search for sex ads there are alot of 8,9, 10s on mamba with real profiles and photos and there are even more on vkontakte

[Me and You]

From my experience you can find different prices for girls in clubs from 100 $ OR 150 $ 2 hours until 400-500 $ 2 hours. Avoid Dlux and Busha bar and Avalon. Expensive. Go Caribean or Vodka bar. Vodka Bar is a place for students as semi pros who needs some money for life. I got one girl from Vodka Bar 21 blonde an 8. A very GFE dfk BBJ DATY anal CIM. And she stays more than 3 hours for 100 $. And considering udha bar and are that services from girl in Clubs is general is better than Rio. Rio girls in general no DFK no DATY (some or many of them) and sure no cim and anal. So take this consideration. And I am not into3 hours or a night meetings. I like to taste more plates as I can. A 3 hour meeting means one long session. And one hour meeting from other clubs or mamba semi pros (as free lancers girls. They have their own time) is a long session without paying the 300 $ and drinks and private dances and entry and tips. I am not against Rio. I got some girls from there. Just one girl in every visit in Kiev and I go sometimes just for the eye candy. To watch the show and the girls. And some private dances. And this is not bad (not expensive as entertainment). I go Rio but I do not take a girl every time.

More you stay late you have less prices and if you get numbers at night in Clubs and meet during day time you have less prices also from Clubs girls.

[Ronaldinjo]

How much do you think each of these $300 girls at Rio really cost you?

Muddy, you didn't see any girls that is at least 8-8. 5 in your taste in Rio? So if no 8 girls in Rio, where are you find all those so called beauties? In mamba?

[LilJoey]

How much do you think each of these $300 girls at Rio really cost you? *

Don't forget:

The cost of airline ticket, *

Rent for your apt in Kiev, *

The money you pay for table dances (I assume you want to see their puddy to make sure before you take them home) , *

The money you pay to get in the club and the VIP room, *

The cost of their drinks and cigs when they sit with you to talk to you (I assume you get them at least one drink). I know the other night 3 girls sat with me so I can interview them and I paid 730 grivna that night just for drinks.

I would say each girls cost you at least $430 not $300 since it seems you really don't stay long in Kiev.

Is it really worth all the time you spend flying? *

And to be honest with you I don't think the RIO girls are that hot, it seems when you travel to Kiev you stay for a short time, I know I don't need 3 hours with the girls because I can't see a girl every night and bang her 2 times every night. 2 pops every night if physically too much.

I don't mind coming to Kiev for Rio once every 18 months but 3-4 times every year is just too much, I don't think the Rio girls are hot enough for me to do this.

BTW- has a good time with Bella, nice looking blonde, nice ass, I would rate her 7. 5.

There was another girl, young girl named Katrin, maybe she was new because I hadn't seen her before, spoke English, she was nice and young I would say probably 20.

Overrated Darina and Lera (nice ass) were there too, couldn't get a chance to talk to Katya

Muddy, I haven't commented on your ratings of some of the girls you rated that I know from Rio, because it is a pointless endeavor, and each guy has a subjective view of this topic. To my mind, girls that you have rated 7 or 7. 5 actually deserve an 8 or 8. 5. But this just illustrates that point that it is subjective. *

A much more useful insight that would help us communicate would be to know what you think of the looks of the Working Girls you have met in places like D'lux or Arena *or Buddha Bar or Shooters who are asking $400 or $500 for an hour or two, and sometimes can be negotiated down to $300/2hours (a $150 / hr net price). These are the girls in the regular clubs who are very beautiful and who think that because they are hot stuff they can demand such high prices. Have you spent some time in the regular nightclubs? Have you seen the WG's on offer in the regular nightclubs and what their beauty level is? How do you feel these top level regular club WG's looks compare with the top girls you have seen at Rio? Similar? Or much better? (within your own personal rating system).

My view of it, after I looked in the regular nightclubs several times, is that the beauty level of the top WG's I have seen in the regular clubs is similar to the beauty level of the top girls at Rio. Therefore, I would rather pay the rates at Rio for that level of beauty, than pay the higher rates asked by the top hotties in the regular nightclubs. *

However, if one believes that the hottest WG's in the regular dance clubs are better looking than the top girls at Rio, then maybe there is an argument to make that it might be worth it to pay higher rates of $150 / hr net rate and higher for them.

But, interestingly, there are some recent claims made on this thread that the $300/3hours (a $100 / hr net price) in effect at Rio, is not the lowest price for very hot nightclub WG's (above level 8) that you can see in advance how they look, and that at the regular nightclubs it is possible to negotiate even lower prices with the WG pros or semi *pros. *Now it puzzles me that in this thread over the last year of posts it has pretty much uniformly been reported that prices like $400 or $500 were being demanded in the regular nightclubs, and that they couldn't be negotiated down to as low as $200/2 hours. But this claim of lower prices for WG's in the regular nightclubs was made recently by Cruiser D, a veteran poster with lots of experience, so it cannot be discounted, without more testing and reporting by ISG'ers who know what they are doing. I hope and wish it is true, and not just his memory of prices from a past era, or prices he personally gets from girls he has known for a long time and are in his dauntingly large contact list built up over the years. We need to be talking about prices other ISG'ers should be capable of achieving and reproducing when they go to the regular nightclubs and try to pick up hot WG's. This area needs more reporting.

So Muddy if you're still in Kiev, hit the regular nightclubs a bit, and see if you have any luck in getting to WG's who look better than the 7. 5's you saw at Rio, and if you were able to get prices for three hours of less than $300, or even to get 2 hours/$200, which would also be better than Rio, please report on it. Or*The Knight, or other senior members, perhaps if you go clubbing you can give a recent update on price conditions for WG's in the regular nightclubs.

LJ

[Member #4274]

I just got back from several weeks of monger hell in the KSA. They censor ISG there and I did not have a VPN. And right now I am in monger heaven, Kiev. With Easter this weekend, I will get back to fun and games on Monday.

I went through as many ISG Kiev posts as I could stomach for the last few weeks and found the vast number of them utterly boring and hopeless and worst of all, useless. It is a waste of time to keeping reading the total crap that now dominates the forum. The forum is no longer fun nor interesting.

I will now from time to time check out the forum but posting may be rare. Better to just have my own way of fun and let all you others be led by your nose and wallet to Rio and Gia. More for me, and of course more for those who know the real Kiev like Irish, Cruiser and a few others.

Uke Boy, thats the best post I have seen on this Kiev board in 6 months! Please post your experiences in Kiev. I know I'll read them gladly.

[Uke Boy]

I just got back from several weeks of monger hell in the KSA. They censor ISG there and I did not have a VPN. And right now I am in monger heaven, Kiev. With Easter this weekend, I will get back to fun and games on Monday.

I went through as many ISG Kiev posts as I could stomach for the last few weeks and found the vast number of them utterly boring and hopeless and worst of all, useless. It is a waste of time to keeping reading the total crap that now dominates the forum. The forum is no longer fun nor interesting.

I will now from time to time check out the forum but posting may be rare. Better to just have my own way of fun and let all you others be led by your nose and wallet to Rio and Gia. More for me, and of course more for those who know the real Kiev like Irish, Cruiser and a few others.

[Gentleman Travel]

How much do you think each of these $300 girls at Rio really cost you?

Don't forget:

The cost of airline ticket,

Rent for your apt in Kiev,

The money you pay for table dances (I assume you want to see their puddy to make sure before you take them home) ,

The money you pay to get in the club and the VIP room,

The cost of their drinks and cigs when they sit with you to talk to you (I assume you get them at least one drink). I know the other night 3 girls sat with me so I can interview them and I paid 730 grivna that night just for drinks.

I would say each girls cost you at least $430 not $300.

Make it more like $500+ per girl, and for some guys only bagging a couple of girls in a week, $1000+.

That is if you are travelling on your own time and your own dime.

Many of the guys here are combining business with pleasure, in which case you only need to factor in the marginal costs (dinners for two, taxis and P4P).

But for someone to travel from the US (or even UK) all the way to Kiev or Moscow, solely for the sake of P4P mongering, it is simply not a good economic deal.

The hourly / nightly costs are similar to what you pay in any major city, although the quality and experience might be better.

Sure it is tougher in the US because of LE and bizarre high-end prices by some stunners and poor service by others.

But invest the same time and effort and money on the home front, and you will find some affordable and attractive gems.

And there are EE beauties filling up the strip clubs and escort agencies of most western cities.

No, the reason to go mongering in Ukraine or Russia is for the unique and exciting experience.

The sheer number of beautiful babes. The open sexuality of the women and the society.

The thrill of the chase. The prospect of scoring a freebie that you never could at home.

Sexual experiences that are rare or difficult to obtain from western P4P.

There are lots of good reasons to monger in Eastern Europe, but straight cost-benefit is rarely one of them.

[Climaxnow]

I don't mind coming to Kiev for Rio once every 18 months but 3-4 times every year is just too much, I don't think the Rio girls are hot enough for me to do this.

I think most of the frequent travelers to Kiev are trying to cross the threshold into free pussy / girlfriends, something that may not be possible at home. The U. K. Guys have ridiculous amounts of talent at home but still fly out to Kiev.

[Muddy7]

I'm American from NY so plenty of hot pussy around from every part of world, but more costly.

How much do you think each of these $300 girls at Rio really cost you?

Don't forget:

The cost of airline ticket,

Rent for your apt in Kiev,

The money you pay for table dances (I assume you want to see their puddy to make sure before you take them home) ,

The money you pay to get in the club and the VIP room,

The cost of their drinks and cigs when they sit with you to talk to you (I assume you get them at least one drink). I know the other night 3 girls sat with me so I can interview them and I paid 730 grivna that night just for drinks.

I would say each girls cost you at least $430 not $300 since it seems you really don't stay long in Kiev.

Is it really worth all the time you spend flying?

And to be honest with you I don't think the RIO girls are that hot, it seems when you travel to Kiev you stay for a short time, I know I don't need 3 hours with the girls because I can't see a girl every night and bang her 2 times every night. 2 pops every night if physically too much.

I don't mind coming to Kiev for Rio once every 18 months but 3-4 times every year is just too much, I don't think the Rio girls are hot enough for me to do this.

BTW- has a good time with Bella, nice looking blonde, nice ass, I would rate her 7. 5.

There was another girl, young girl named Katrin, maybe she was new because I hadn't seen her before, spoke English, she was nice and young I would say probably 20.

Overrated Darina and Lera(nice ass) were there too, couldn't get a chance to talk to Katya

[SooNice]

Up 5 girls a day, not 5 girls everyday. I know a lot of girls in Kiev and I don't like to disappoint, what can I say, I am all about the love. I have over 1100 contacts in my Ukrainian android phone, I know a lot of girls. It is to the point now where I tell the girls. Yeah, you can come over now or in an hour but don't be surprised if there is another girl here or just leaving.

The hottest pussy for the lowest price isn't Rio.

The most I ever pay for a girl is $100. I've gotten a lot of very attractive girls on mamba who started out at $500. When I ask the super hot girls why they met me for $100 they reply with, I like your height, I like your photos, etc. I met one of your Vodka Escort girls off of mamba for $90. We've been (fuck) buddies for the last 2 or so years. One of the sexpats I met earlier in my trips to Kiev put it this way, 'Pretty Woman' is one of the favorite video rentals in Ukraine. He's a douche but that statement has more then a little truth to it. It truly is a case of YMMV.

Ukrainian girls and girls in general are a lot of fun.

Gosh you make me jelous. I'm tired of chatting up girls online. It would be convenient with a huge list for bootycalls. Cruiser D take me under your wings and teach me LOL.

Since I got single last year, I have shagged a lot of girls but most of them are p4p in German gb clubs or FKK's. Maybe around 10-15 freebies from datingsites and from regular clubs.

I'm in my mid thirties, athletic, decent looking scandinavian man and well dressed. BUT It's hard to make contact with real ukranian hotties on Mamba. I get a lot of replies but most of them are smileys and nothing more. I guess one downside is that my profile is written in English and I speak no Russian. Another one is that I'm only 178 cm tall. EE girls are tall in general + high heels.

It's hard to find time to chit chat. I want to get straight to the point. Sometimes it works. One time I exchanged 3 messages with a girl from Kharkov. We met and had sex for 3 days. Love was in the air. She even introduced me to her mum, but distance is a bad foundation for a relationship.

I can cum 4-5 times a day when I'm with a GF. If I wank, then maybe 10 times. Too bad I can't apply this to gangbang events or other p4p nights. I guess I get nervous. 2-3 times and I'm drained and half impotent.

I'll try to get as many freebies as possible during my stay. If necessary I'll go for p4p and negotiate with the girls. I don't want to spend more than 100 dollars per hour. I wish you all guys did the same to keep the prices down on the market. Stop flashing with your dough.

Girls girls girls, yes we love them.

[SooNice]

SooNice. Going to clubs in Kiev is your best bet in finding pro's and semi pro's that you can touch, feel, sniff, talk to and take home. Go to D'Lux, Go to Arena, Go to Avalon, Go to Sky Bar. Or go to any club in Kiev that foreigners know about. Ok?

Don't go to Buddha Bar, the place sucks.

Go to Rio and then you can post about how lame it is to go there when you can go to the real clubs.

LilJoey, so many words, so little (if not repetitive) information.

"sniff" LOL.

I'm sure I'll do fine. Will report after my trip.

Thank you.

[Ronaldinjo]

so, ronaldinjo, we are exactly the same, except i am not portugueese, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. lol.

vitamin c refers to cialis, which i actually prefer to viagra, because it stays in your system for 36 hours, so i pop 1 a day during a mongering trip when i expect many sexual episodes. it isn't necessary in the beginning for the first times you have sex, but it helps when you are way out there into a zone of fucking multiple times each day for several days in a row as a sort of insurance policy that you won't have any problem with maintaining an erection when in a state of near sexual exhaustion, so that you don't end up wasting the money you might have paid for that session. it can't help you with "leche", and if you have no more leche left after having ejaculated your entire current supply, you will not be able to cum despite your erection. but p4p girls are not overjoyed with this because they are not there for the long fuck and personal pleasure, and they would prefer the quick fuck and out with their money, plus it will cost you for the time, so best to end the session after a reasonable amount of fucking even if you haven't cum because you can't.

in an fkk i find myself inspired to do 3 to 4 sessions each visit. it might be possible for me to get 5 in on the first night, but i could not do that 2 nights in a row. the 2nd night would be more like 2 times, then the third night i might be back up to 3 times. but that is behavior that i have only in these special pussy concentrated environments like an fkk where many naked girls are all over the place and i can stay around all day and night if i want to until an urge to be with one again comes to me.

in kiev i have found that because i taking out girls from rio either for 3 hours, or for all night, that in the three hour date i try to stretch out the sex to go on for a long time and occupy 2 to 2. 5 hours of the time together with sex, and unless it is my first session, i am usually cumming just once. after the girl goes home, usually around 5 or 6 am, i have a bite to eat, watching the news, and then sleep from around 7am until about 1 or 2pm. then there is time to invite over a mamba girl or a girl from some other website for an hour session of cheap sex. then back to the super hot club girls at night. cumming twice a day is what seems to be happening to me in kiev. but it is related to the fact that at night i am usually with an expensive girl for about 2 hours in bed, and after having sex twice a day for a few days, i am not usually going to pop twice in 2 hours, so i use up most or all that time with one long lasting sex session, and time my cumming at the end by controlling the positions i use and the speed of the fucking.

yes, there are some guys who have a faster recharge rate and they can have leche ready to go in a very short time after cumming. and some guys have a slower recharge rate. it's also a factor of age and metabolism, general health and even the foods you eat. i think you will find, though, that if you put yourself in a more taxing situation where there is much more sexual demand and enticement, like in an fkk, or a brazilian terma, you will rise to the occasion and will be able to do much more sex.

than you normally have.

as to leela and vladislava, on tuesday night, i was sitting with sophia, in vip, the girl i had been with on sunday, two days earlier, and she was saying that she didn't feel so good, and then leela from the night before walked by and i called her over. sophia moved on and leela said she had been waiting for me with a little suggestive smile. she is the one who suggested taking her friend vladislava. the price was standard amount of $300 each,

joey,

i can only envy those gyes that can cum multiple and multiple times for 3-4-5 days in a raw. i knew one brazilian who did it, and he told me he ate a lot of beef and nuts. so my performances are very much like yours. by the way, just for interest, are you divorces with children, does your children know your big love to quality pussy, scandinavian or german, where is your permanent residence and how is morgening life in your country? in portugal morgening life compared to our big and toung sister brazil is poor, costly and boring. i have a boy and i guess he suspects that i'm not indifferent for slavic pussy. potrugueeze brunettes are not so appealing to me, maybe because i used to them, i preffere less dark ladies. it difficult to date pretty young girls in portugal unless you are rich, which i'm not.

you took leila home at monday and then duo on tuesday. curious if it is was possible to take both of them on monday, the first day you banged leeyla, or this opportunity came only the day after, did you know that duo possibility with leeyla and vladislava existed before? usually girls offer you duo or you offer it to them? and joey, when you make duo, are you cumming twice with each girl separately?

[LilJoey]

i'm portugueese divorced man on my early 50ies, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. its hard to believe how you manage to bang several girls in a raw day by day (as cruiser the posted for example) , even with big quantities of viagra (by the way gyes, to call viagra vitamin see is misnomer, it is same as to call viagra anticancer drug, no connection) , so i can't comprehend it, even much yunger horny boys can't bang 5 new girls each day several days a row, or maybe gyes cums only once a day, or cruiser the cums only once while banging 5 girls? or just speaks nonsence?

joey, how many times you cum in each encounter, every session last how much time on avarage? do you cum after every session?

and by the way, day before duo with vladislava and leela, you had a session with leela. how did you bring up the topic about duo with both of them? did she tell you that she has hot girlfriend and there is possibility for duo or you inquired and offered the duo possibility later? how much duo costed. 600 $ for 3 hours or did you agree on a little bit less?

with respect, ronaldinjo

so, ronaldinjo, we are exactly the same, except i am not portugueese, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. lol.

vitamin c refers to cialis, which i actually prefer to viagra, because it stays in your system for 36 hours, so i pop 1 a day during a mongering trip when i expect many sexual episodes. it isn't necessary in the beginning for the first times you have sex, but it helps when you are way out there into a zone of fucking multiple times each day for several days in a row as a sort of insurance policy that you won't have any problem with maintaining an erection when in a state of near sexual exhaustion, so that you don't end up wasting the money you might have paid for that session. it can't help you with "leche", and if you have no more leche left after having ejaculated your entire current supply, you will not be able to cum despite your erection. but p4p girls are not overjoyed with this because they are not there for the long fuck and personal pleasure, and they would prefer the quick fuck and out with their money, plus it will cost you for the time, so best to end the session after a reasonable amount of fucking even if you haven't cum because you can't.

in an fkk i find myself inspired to do 3 to 4 sessions each visit. it might be possible for me to get 5 in on the first night, but i could not do that 2 nights in a row. the 2nd night would be more like 2 times, then the third night i might be back up to 3 times. but that is behavior that i have only in these special pussy concentrated environments like an fkk where many naked girls are all over the place and i can stay around all day and night if i want to until an urge to be with one again comes to me.

in kiev i have found that because i taking out girls from rio either for 3 hours, or for all night, that in the three hour date i try to stretch out the sex to go on for a long time and occupy 2 to 2. 5 hours of the time together with sex, and unless it is my first session, i am usually cumming just once. after the girl goes home, usually around 5 or 6 am, i have a bite to eat, watching the news, and then sleep from around 7am until about 1 or 2pm. then there is time to invite over a mamba girl or a girl from some other website for an hour session of cheap sex. then back to the super hot club girls at night. cumming twice a day is what seems to be happening to me in kiev. but it is related to the fact that at night i am usually with an expensive girl for about 2 hours in bed, and after having sex twice a day for a few days, i am not usually going to pop twice in 2 hours, so i use up most or all that time with one long lasting sex session, and time my cumming at the end by controlling the positions i use and the speed of the fucking.

yes, there are some guys who have a faster recharge rate and they can have leche ready to go in a very short time after cumming. and some guys have a slower recharge rate. it's also a factor of age and metabolism, general health and even the foods you eat. i think you will find, though, that if you put yourself in a more taxing situation where there is much more sexual demand and enticement, like in an fkk, or a brazilian terma, you will rise to the occasion and will be able to do much more sex.

than you normally have.

as to leela and vladislava, on tuesday night, i was sitting with sophia, in vip, the girl i had been with on sunday, two days earlier, and she was saying that she didn't feel so good, and then leela from the night before walked by and i called her over. sophia moved on and leela said she had been waiting for me with a little suggestive smile. she is the one who suggested taking her friend vladislava. the price was standard amount of $300 each,

[LilJoey]

soonice. going to clubs in kiev is your best bet in finding pro's and semi pro's that you can touch, feel, sniff, talk to and take home. go to d'lux, go to arena, go to avalon, go to sky bar. or go to any club in kiev that foreigners know about. ok?

don't go to buddha bar, the place sucks.

go to rio and then you can post about how lame it is to go there when you can go to the real clubs.

liljoey, so many words, so little (if not repetitive) information.

up 5 girls a day, not 5 girls everyday. i know a lot of girls in kiev and i don't like to disappoint, what can i say, i am all about the love. i have over 1100 contacts in my ukrainian android phone, i know a lot of girls. it is to the point now where i tell the girls. yeah, you can come over now or in an hour but don't be surprised if there is another girl here or just leaving.

the hottest pussy for the lowest price isn't rio.

the most i ever pay for a girl is $100. i've gotten a lot of very attractive girls on mamba who started out at $500. when i ask the super hot girls why they met me for $100 they reply with, i like your height, i like your photos, etc. i met one of your vodka escort girls off of mamba for $90. we've been (fuck) buddies for the last 2 or so years. one of the sexpats i met earlier in my trips to kiev put it this way, 'pretty woman' is one of the favorite video rentals in ukraine. he's a douche but that statement has more then a little truth to it. it truly is a case of ymmv.

ukrainian girls and girls in general are a lot of fun.

better not leave your ukrainian android phone on a bench someplace. very valuable 1100 contacts.

out of curiosity which of "my vodka escort girls" did you meet? (i've only had three before they went out of business, inna, julia and alina).

cruiser d, i don't recall any reports on this thread within the last year reporting lower prices being asked by wg's in the regular clubs like d'lux, arena etc. the posts pretty uniformly state that the prices demanded by wg's in these clubs start high, like at $500 or $400, and usually you can get 2 hours, and maybe you can negotiate the price down to $300/2hours. that's higher than rio's prices.

no one has been reporting getting wg rates at the regular clubs of $200/2hours. that would be the equivalent of the $100 / hr net rate being asked at rio for a 3 hour date (with the advantage of only having to pay for 2 hours instead of rio's 3 hour minimum).

do you have different information than has been uniformly reported on this board?

i think you are steering this fellow wrong. when it comes to comparing rates at rio with rates of wg's at the regular clubs like d'lux and arena, etc, where you can see the girl in advance (not like the website girls from mamba where it's a surprise what will show up) , then rio is asking the lower prices.

do you really disagree with the statement that the hottest p4p pussy for the lowest price -- that you can see in advance in a club -- currently available to a newbie (not an old contact in your android phone) -- is at rio?

(if you are claiming that in the lower priced girls one can meet off of mamba, there are girls to be gotten who are hotter than the girls one can get at rio, then i will not contradict you because i don't have enough of a sampling of mamba girls under my belt to be statistically valid as a basis to do so, although it has not been my experience on mamba thus far. as i reported, i have thus far only gotten girls off of mamba who are significantly lower in beauty than the rio girls i have gotten. but i know i need to ramp up the sampling of mamba girls on my next trip to see if what you and others claim is possible for me too. believe me i would love to get girls as hot as the rio girls i have gotten for a lower mamba price of $100 / hr or $75 / hr.)

(it appears you have another pet peeve, this time about buddha bar. yes, in terms of environment it is less fun than going to a disco dance club. it's a restaurant / bar. but in terms of being a location where one can meet wg's it's as functional as the other clubs. the wg's are there waiting. rp wasn't a dance club in the true sense either, since only the girls danced for the most part, and the men ogled. yet it was a good place to pick up wg's so it served its purpose as a wg venue. one might say it's easier to spot the wg's at buddha bar than at the dance clubs. but i was never impressed with the quantity. none of these clubs has ever approached rp for quantity of hot pussy.)

lj

[Member #4491]

Choose several nice meeting locations for a coffee or a drink located not too far apart around the downtown area, and go from one location to the other, to meet with your successive dates. You must warn the girls in advance that you are a very busy man and if they are not timely, you will not be able to wait long for them to arrive and will need to reschedule the meeting with them. Even if you can't sustain 5 sexual encounters a day, you can certainly have mini dates with 5 or more girls each day. You are looking for non pro or semi pro girls, not agency girls.

They may look like us on the outside but in reality they are all Philippina girls. Different name, same game.

Women want the same thing and say the same things, but with different dialects. They want to be seen, recognized, acknowledged and entertained. They want a smiling and humble winner. They want your time (attention) or your money. And sometimes both. I love them but they are lazy, greedy and vain. And naive, romantic and sweet. What a mixture. No wonder they makes us fight here in this little pieces of cyber dust.

LJ, you are a returning visitor so to hit a few social forums and get some regulars would not be so hard, after what I have discovered in these last weeks. Some of the girls I chat with are super lovely and traditional in their views and thoughts. Julia is really nice to chat with. I fall in love with her every time I chat with her. Right now we are chatting about her thoughts on her future. She wants to get a good education and she wants to travel. How original. But still I love her sweet, caring and submissive persona.

LJ, your post makes total sense. They always did. You are totally logical given your claimed (and reflected) personality, and your way of penetrating this cookie. Rio is a predictable entry point (and as Cruiser D pointed out, it is far from the end point). ONE of the ways to start the Ukraine exploration. They should thank you by the way. Rio will have an LJ related boost in turnover. I will pitch in. Thanks once again for taking the time.

B.