Good insight.

[Cruiser D]

SooNice. Going to clubs in Kiev is your best bet in finding pro's and semi pro's that you can touch, feel, sniff, talk to and take home. Go to D'Lux, Go to Arena, Go to Avalon, Go to Sky Bar. Or go to any club in Kiev that foreigners know about. Ok?

Don't go to Buddha Bar, the place sucks.

Go to Rio and then you can post about how lame it is to go there when you can go to the real clubs.

LilJoey, so many words, so little (if not repetitive) information.

As far as I understand, picking up girls (pro's &nsemi pro's) in regular clubs is the best bet? I'm used to the FKK scene in germany and hope for some DFK, BBBJ and licking in Kiev.

I have pretty nice experiences from Mamba, but it's very time consuming to chat and a huge risk that the girl is butt ugly in reality or doesn't show up. I want sex for sure.

[Cruiser D]

Up 5 girls a day, not 5 girls everyday. I know a lot of girls in Kiev and I don't like to disappoint, what can I say, I am all about the love. I have over 1100 contacts in my Ukrainian android phone, I know a lot of girls. It is to the point now where I tell the girls. Yeah, you can come over now or in an hour but don't be surprised if there is another girl here or just leaving.

The hottest pussy for the lowest price isn't Rio.

The most I ever pay for a girl is $100. I've gotten a lot of very attractive girls on mamba who started out at $500. When I ask the super hot girls why they met me for $100 they reply with, I like your height, I like your photos, etc. I met one of your Vodka Escort girls off of mamba for $90. We've been (fuck) buddies for the last 2 or so years. One of the sexpats I met earlier in my trips to Kiev put it this way, 'Pretty Woman' is one of the favorite video rentals in Ukraine. He's a douche but that statement has more then a little truth to it. It truly is a case of YMMV.

Ukrainian girls and girls in general are a lot of fun.

Up to 5 girls a day for all the days you are in Kiev is quite impressive, Cruiser D. My hat is off to you, if you can sustain that pace.

There's nothing intrinsically better about the "method" itself of ordering girls off a website like mamba versus finding them on a river boat or a strip club. What's the difference? I don't get the negativity about the method. The point should be where and how to get the hottest pussy for the lowest price.

Thus far my experience has been that the more average girls are coming from mamba, and I find much hotter girls at Rio. Those are the facts Of my experience. Believe me, because of the price differential I truly wish that truth were reversed. Yet I'll keep trying with mamba to see if I can Get better results than girls of 6 or 7 quality level.

[LilJoey]

LilJoey:

One of the girls said she comes to the club one hour early for English lessons, I guess RIO has hired an English teacher, maybe Joey is their English teacher

Now that's an interesting job. I would only give lessons at my apartment, however. It would be in my specialty, of course, which is linguistics, I. E. The use of the tongue to communicate. In this part of the lesson I use my tongue on their cute little clitorises to cause them to "communicate" whatever's on their mind. Of course my methods would be much more effective than Pimsleur's. It would definitely involve certain very specialized exercises for the tongue, vital to getting rid of a heavy Russian accent and would have to involve trying to talk while my shaft was stuck down their cute little throats, for every mistake, they would get another centimeter, and special exercises to see if they can remember to say,"yes, yes, oh fuck meeee!" instead of the usual "Da, Da, Da!!" at the brink of an orgasm. Then I will know if they have really learned right and proper English.

Hmmmm. Let me see. From your list I have already started giving lessons to Darina, Lera, Katya, and Sophia. They are cumming along nicely in their studies.

[Ronaldinjo]

liljoey:

one of the girls said she come to the club one hour early for english lessons, i guess rio has hired an english teacher.

darina.

face: 6.

body: 8 small tits.

personality: a generous 6

it seems she thinks she is the queen of rio, just didn't enjoy talking to her. i just asked her what is your name and she said i will come talk to you after i change. 10 minutes later she is ordering her cocktail, cigarettes, and water and was trying to get me to have a private dance and is talking about her $500 fee.

lera.

face: 7.

body: 7.

personality: 7.

katya.

face: 7.

body: 7.

personality: i don't know, didn't talk to her, she was busy, i would say she is probably better than lera and darina.

isabella.

face: 6. 5.

body: 7.

personality: 7 fun, nice to talk you.

zalata:

face: 6.

body: 8. 5.

personality: 7.

blond, small breasts. she really has a great body, loved her ass and thighs, when i talked to her i got the feeling she was on drugs, she seemed a little high, she said she has just started working there and at this time does not go out.

marina.

face: 7. 5.

body: 6. 5.

personality: 7.

nice pretty blond girl.

sophia.

face: 7 liked her big blue eyes.

body: 8 very nice tits, nics ass.

personality: 7

you give a very low mark to girls faces. maybe you find 8th and 9s in mamba. can you describe marina? how she looks, does she speeks english?

[Muddy7]

LilJoey:
One of the girls said she comes to the club one hour early for English lessons, I guess RIO has hired an English teacher, maybe Joey is their English teacher

Darina.
FACE: 6.
BODY: 8 small tits.
PERSONALITY: a generous 6
It seems she thinks she is the queen of RIO, just didn't enjoy talking to her. I just asked her what is your name and she said I will come talk to you after I change. 10 minutes later she is ordering her cocktail, cigarettes, and water and was trying to get me to have a private dance and is talking about her $500 fee.

Lera.
FACE: 7.
BODY: 7.
PERSONALITY: 7.

Katya.
FACE: 7.
BODY: 7.
PERSONALITY: I don't know, didn't talk to her, she was busy, I would say she is probably better than Lera and Darina.

Isabella.
FACE: 6. 5.
BODY: 7.
PERSONALITY: 7 fun, nice to talk you.

Zalata:
FACE: 6.5
BODY: 8. 5.
PERSONALITY: 7.
Blond, small breasts. She really has a great body, loved her ass and thighs, when I talked to her I got the feeling she was on drugs, she seemed a little high, she said she has just started working there and at this time does not go out.

Marina.
FACE: 7. 5.
BODY: 6. 5.
PERSONALITY: 7.
pretty blond girl.

Sophia.
FACE: 7 liked her big blue eyes.
BODY: 8 very nice tits, nice ass.
PERSONALITY: 7

[Ronaldinjo]

Dear Ronaldinjo, I was just joking with you about pulling out of me the story of the Vladislava and Leela duo on my last night. So don't be regretting anything. And I did put in the chronology of which girls and when I saw them. The only thing I didn't do is create a paragraph for each girl, describing the sex play with each for the horny old dogs on this forum, but I figured the description of what went down with Vladislava and Leela was salacious enough to satisfy that need, and I hoped I would be forgiven for not posting repetitive sexual details of the date with each girl, Katya (Friday night) , Anita (Saturday night) , Sophia (Sunday afternoon) , Leela 1st time (Monday night) , Leela and Vladislava (Tuesday night). All girls from Rio; and Eva@mamba (Monday afternoon) , and a freebie date with Asia (Tuesday afternoon). Saturday afternoon got wasted by cancellations by Eva of her 2pm appointment, and cancellation by Asia of her 5pm date. Both were rescheduled for later in trip. I have no idea where Sunday night disappeared to after Sophia left my apartment. Just can't remember. Anyway that's the whole chronology. I posted descriptions of how each girl looks in another of my responses to you (Katya long shiny light brown mane of hair gorgeous cute Barby doll princess) , Anita and Sophia (blondes with pretty faces and great bodies) , Leela (outstandingly pretty classic beauty brunette with sizzling hot curves) and Vladislava (jet black hair, amazing deep blue eyes, tall slender very good looking pretty faced sex amazon) by way of reminder. So really you have it all, except for the porno, which I will allow you to imagine for yourself, and it Will probably be better than what I might write. LOL.

I had numbers of girls I know from past trips who I had spoken to before my arrival and was supposed to call and see. For example, Sasha formerly of River Palace (awesome brunette) , Natasha (blonde) and Stesha (brunette) both formerly of top-modals. Com, and a few other Rio girls whose mumbers I have, like Darina (sizzling hot dirty blonde princess) or Ada or Lera, etc, but to tell you the truth, I just didn't have the strength or desire. Which is why I'm in awe of a guy like Hunter Dave who bangs them out like a machine press, or claims of 5 a day made recently by Cruiser D. I observedin a previous post that I am capable of 3 or 4 girls a night and routinely do it when I am in the FKK. But for some reason, I am much more slowed down when I am in Kiev, most probably because of the effort needed to go find the next girl, whereas in the FKK the girls are all over you continually.

Happy Mongering.

LJ

I'm portugueese divorced man on my early 50ies, former sportsman, good shaped and good looking typical latino man. Its hard to believe how you manage to bang several girls in a raw day by day (as cruiser the posted for example) , even with big quantities of viagra (by the way gyes, to call viagra vitamin see is misnomer, it is same as to call viagra anticancer drug, no connection) , so I can't comprehend it, even much yunger horny boys can't bang 5 new girls each day several days a row, or maybe gyes cums only once a day, or cruiser the cums only once while banging 5 girls? Or just speaks nonsence?

Joey, how many times you cum in each encounter, every session last how much time on avarage? Do you cum after every session?

And by the way, day before duo with Vladislava and Leela, you had a session with Leela. How did you bring up the topic about duo with both of them? Did she tell you that she has hot girlfriend and there is possibility for duo or you inquired and offered the duo possibility later? How much duo costed. 600 $ for 3 hours or did you agree on a little bit less?

With respect, Ronaldinjo

[LilJoey]

Hello, my friends,

I've been lurking this thread since I booked a ticket to Kiev, going in a couple of weeks. I try to find concrete and straight forward info about the scene, but it's a hassle to read the babble inbetween. It would be most helpful if any experienced fellow could gather useful info in one single post. I'm talking about url's to saloons, url's to RIO and similar clubs, best agencies and clubs for freebies. Or the best would be pin point on google maps.

As far as I understand, picking up girls (pro's &nsemi pro's) in regular clubs is the best bet? I'm used to the FKK scene in germany and hope for some DFK, BBBJ and licking in Kiev.

I have pretty nice experiences from Mamba, but it's very time consuming to chat and a huge risk that the girl is butt ugly in reality or doesn't show up. I want sex for sure.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

If you're already booked and going, friend, I suggest you stop being lazy like most FKK guys and read the thread going back as many months as you can until trip time lest you waste your money spent on the travel expenses. Everything you asked for is in the thread just a few pages back. That's how I know you haven't read it. Romany Star created the Google map and posted it on the thread. In the Reports of Distinction section there was a post by Latexian with links to some of my older reports. That should get you started. My prior reports more or less are designed to spoon feed you the necessary info. So Read, dear newbie, read. Then ask any questions that don't reveal that you are lazy, and you will get better responses for guidance requests. Yes mamba is a risk of what you get, so that's why it's a numbers game and you have to chase down many contacts if you are looking for the cheaper sex available in Kiev. If you're looking for P4p pros and semi pros, then I will bet that you will lose that bet that the best place is regular clubs in Kiev. You need to read more of the thread. Yes I am goading you, but for your own benefit.

[LilJoey]

Dear Lyljoey,

I'm happy that you had great time in Kiev, you are real Kievman for us with great advices and good heart. Not like most (not all) mongers here that write mostly bullshit, complaining, writing about beauties from mamba and streets, but actually don't disclose us how and what to do appropriatelly, don't disclose us hot mamba girls. I'm happy with your report, but regret now that pulled it early from you beacause I'm used for your chronologic and informative report. So will be happy if you write all your great Kiev expirience chronologically day by day as you used before. So, if you can write it for us, if you can't, never mind.

Dear Ronaldinjo, I was just joking with you about pulling out of me the story of the Vladislava and Leela duo on my last night. So don't be regretting anything. And I did put in the chronology of which girls and when I saw them. The only thing I didn't do is create a paragraph for each girl, describing the sex play with each for the horny old dogs on this forum, but I figured the description of what went down with Vladislava and Leela was salacious enough to satisfy that need, and I hoped I would be forgiven for not posting repetitive sexual details of the date with each girl, Katya (Friday night) , Anita (Saturday night) , Sophia (Sunday afternoon) , Leela 1st time (Monday night) , Leela and Vladislava (Tuesday night). All girls from Rio; and Eva@mamba (Monday afternoon) , and a freebie date with Asia (Tuesday afternoon). Saturday afternoon got wasted by cancellations by Eva of her 2pm appointment, and cancellation by Asia of her 5pm date. Both were rescheduled for later in trip. I have no idea where Sunday night disappeared to after Sophia left my apartment. Just can't remember. Anyway that's the whole chronology. I posted descriptions of how each girl looks in another of my responses to you (Katya long shiny light brown mane of hair gorgeous cute Barby doll princess) , Anita and Sophia (blondes with pretty faces and great bodies) , Leela (outstandingly pretty classic beauty brunette with sizzling hot curves) and Vladislava (jet black hair, amazing deep blue eyes, tall slender very good looking pretty faced sex amazon) by way of reminder. So really you have it all, except for the porno, which I will allow you to imagine for yourself, and it Will probably be better than what I might write. LOL.

I had numbers of girls I know from past trips who I had spoken to before my arrival and was supposed to call and see. For example, Sasha formerly of River Palace (awesome brunette), Natasha (blonde) and Stesha (brunette) both formerly of top--modals.com, and a few other Rio girls whose mumbers i have, like Darina (sizzling hot dirty blonde princess) or Ada or Lera, etc., but to tell you the truth, I just didn't have the strength or desire. Which is why I'm in awe of a guy like Hunter Dave who bangs them out like a machine press, or claims of 5 a day made recently by Cruiser D. I observedin a previous post that I am capable of 3 or 4 girls a night and routinely do it when I am in the FKK. But for some reason, I am much more slowed down when I am in Kiev, most probably because of the effort needed to go find the next girl, whereas in the FKK the girls are all over you continually.

Happy Mongering

LJ

[LilJoey]

Five in a day. For that I would have to inject a mixture of Andros, Cyalis and honey, and I am not yet 40.

I naturally do what I can to pay less than I have to, but feel an urge to comment on the idea that people are idiots because they pay more than they have to if they go somewhere else where they can pay less money (but more time) for the same thing. How a man wish to spend his money is for him to decide. And this crap I sometimes see about being loyal and not push up the market price, is just bs. Why the f*ck should a monger care about strangers that clearly do nothing to help him get the secret cheap punani, if he can afford to set a new standard of prices? If I have two dollars, and the rest of the monger population has only one and do shit to help me get what I need for one dollar, I will gladly spend the two and cock block all the suckers in the world. Now who is the idiot? Friends is another story but Monger loyalty is a myth. Just look at ISG. Most people try to not "overpay" for anything, but people are not equally equipped with time, looks and pick up skills. Shared wisdom means price control. And as a consequence, if seniors leave newbs to completely have their own learning curve, they WILL pay what they are asked to pay to get that pussy on their well deserved fuck vacation. And this will be necessity be more than the experts are used to and perhaps willing to pay, hence driving up the prices. Simple instant karma. So with every advice of what NOT to do, there should be one solid hands on advice of WHAT to do instead. We men have to learn to hold hands again. Lead each other a bit. Believe it or not you cynical f*cks, but what goes around comes around.

Having said all of this about capitalistic freedom I must add that a woman working in a steel factory in the coal mine towns in southeast of Ukraine makes 150 USD per month. One hour of sex will cost equal to 2-4 days of normal low paid work in many other parts of the world. A generous interpretation of this "rule" would be that the correct price for P4P in Ukraine is somewhere around 50-60 USD / h.

I am chatting with primarily one sweet girl in Ukraine. During the few days I will be there, I will for sure see her several times. And some Mamba girls and maybe a Rio girl or two, to see what this is about (I hate fake moans and always fear to end up with this in places like Rio). The girls on Mamba get many requests per day for P4P but be honest and a bit original and you will get responses from real girls (if this is what you are looking for). I go 5 years below my own age in the stated age preferences and of course message all pretty girls that has no stated age preference, with my semi suggestive message in Russian (Google translate). The younger ones seems to jump the gun easier. Had a couple of complaints and I deviated from this age principle today again, so now I am blocked. Since Mamba has low control of what is fake and what is real, it turns into a numbers game. Draw enough numbers and you will win. But it is a fine line to walk to catch both the good ones AND the bad ones, while weeding out the fugly ones at the same time.

B.

Barba, you have hit the nail on the head with this post. You are, indeed, largely on your own in Mongering in Kiev.

Assuming your goal is to have great GFE sex with the highest level of beauty you can get to within the time you have allotted to yourself in Kiev, you have two pathways open before you: (1) the more certain but more costly pathway to very hot pussy (which is laid out in detail and careful analysis in the body of my earlier reports. I held nothing back. It's all there and can unerringly guide the newbie to hot pussy. All they have to do is not be lazy and read and learn) , or (2) the less costly but more difficult, time consuming and risky path of heavily dating girls from mamba or that you can pick up in clubs and streets and shopping malls, that might or might not get you the high level beauties you would like to experience during your trip, which is advocated by some veteran members.

I am by nature a more cautious, methodical fellow. I did not want to come to Kiev for a few days and follow a course which was risky and might result in only sex with average looking girls. I wanted to guarantee that I would be able to have very beautiful girls during my trip. Therefore, I have focused on the 1st path, while spending only some time gingerly testing the possibilities of the 2nd path to see if I could get some acceptable results before committing more time from my trip to it. And I analyzed the correct path to achieve this and have laid out my analysis, reasoning and recommendations for all who are not too lazy to read. Think of this 1st pathway as a safety net. It is the most likely or more guaranteed way to get high level beauties at the lowest price available with sufficient likelihood within a short visit to Kiev.

My results on using mamba have been cheap, but not impressive in the beauty department, and I've only gotten girls on a 6 to 7 level of beauty. If they were the best that I had gotten on a Kiev trip, I would have been disappointed.

But I am willing to admit that it is possible that my mediocre results from mamba might have been the result of me not pursuing the mamba option sufficiently, and not committing enough time from my trip to it. I have been afraid of leaving the safety net of sure and certain very beautiful but costly pussy, for fear of having disappointing trip results.

But to do this 2nd pathway of using mamba correctly, after meeting with Hunter Dave this past trip, I have come to realize that you can't be half assed about it. You need to schedule dates with many, many girls, back to back, One after the other, and you need to go all out, in order to properly play this numbers game.

Choose several nice meeting locations for a coffee or a drink located not too far apart around the downtown area, and go from one location to the other, to meet with your successive dates. You must warn the girls in advance that you are a very busy man and if they are not timely, you will not be able to wait long for them to arrive and will need to reschedule the meeting with them. Even if you can't sustain 5 sexual encounters a day, you can certainly have mini dates with 5 or more girls each day. You are looking for non pro or semi pro girls, not agency girls.

Ultimately, you are relying on your own charms to develop a nice connection with them and ultimately get them up to your apartment on some pretext and hopefully get things to proceed to a sexual encounter (for which there is no guarantee). Obviously, you can't afford to date a girl more than a couple of times without it getting down to sex.

There's much more advice that the veterans can give on how to and what to do. I wish they would contribute as you suggested they should, and create a primer containing their insights and advice.

But even without it, I have come to the conclusion that it could be worth it to try an all out mamba dating schedule for a couple of days and see where it can lead. Yes, it's a risk that I won't meet good looking Enough girls, but on the other hand, it might also pay off over time. So I think what I will do my next trip, is focus on the mamba for a couple of days of multiple mini dates and see where it leads, and give the 2nd pathway a better chance of succeeding. Maybe I will come up with girls who are hot enough, and much cheaper to boot. I can still leave the safety net in place for the last night or 2 nights of my trip, or schedule a 1 night stopover in FKK land on the way home, just in case. But I don't think I can legitimately reject the 2nd pathway as a means of getting very beautiful girls, unless I give it a fair chance.

LJ

[Member #4491]

Five in a day. For that I would have to inject a mixture of Andros, Cyalis and honey, and I am not yet 40.

I naturally do what I can to pay less than I have to, but feel an urge to comment on the idea that people are idiots because they pay more than they have to if they go somewhere else where they can pay less money (but more time) for the same thing. How a man wish to spend his money is for him to decide. And this crap I sometimes see about being loyal and not push up the market price, is just bs. Why the f*ck should a monger care about strangers that clearly do nothing to help him get the secret cheap punani, if he can afford to set a new standard of prices? If I have two dollars, and the rest of the monger population has only one and do shit to help me get what I need for one dollar, I will gladly spend the two and cock block all the suckers in the world. Now who is the idiot? Friends is another story but Monger loyalty is a myth. Just look at ISG. Most people try to not "overpay" for anything, but people are not equally equipped with time, looks and pick up skills. Shared wisdom means price control. And as a consequence, if seniors leave newbs to completely have their own learning curve, they WILL pay what they are asked to pay to get that pussy on their well deserved fuck vacation. And this will be necessity be more than the experts are used to and perhaps willing to pay, hence driving up the prices. Simple instant karma. So with every advice of what NOT to do, there should be one solid hands on advice of WHAT to do instead. We men have to learn to hold hands again. Lead each other a bit. Believe it or not you cynical f*cks, but what goes around comes around.

Having said all of this about capitalistic freedom I must add that a woman working in a steel factory in the coal mine towns in southeast of Ukraine makes 150 USD per month. One hour of sex will cost equal to 2-4 days of normal low paid work in many other parts of the world. A generous interpretation of this "rule" would be that the correct price for P4P in Ukraine is somewhere around 50-60 USD / h.

I am chatting with primarily one sweet girl in Ukraine. During the few days I will be there, I will for sure see her several times. And some Mamba girls and maybe a Rio girl or two, to see what this is about (I hate fake moans and always fear to end up with this in places like Rio). The girls on Mamba get many requests per day for P4P but be honest and a bit original and you will get responses from real girls (if this is what you are looking for). I go 5 years below my own age in the stated age preferences and of course message all pretty girls that has no stated age preference, with my semi suggestive message in Russian (Google translate). The younger ones seems to jump the gun easier. Had a couple of complaints and I deviated from this age principle today again, so now I am blocked. Since Mamba has low control of what is fake and what is real, it turns into a numbers game. Draw enough numbers and you will win. But it is a fine line to walk to catch both the good ones AND the bad ones, while weeding out the fugly ones at the same time.

B.

[SooNice]

Hello, my friends,

I've been lurking this thread since I booked a ticket to Kiev, going in a couple of weeks. I try to find concrete and straight forward info about the scene, but it's a hassle to read the babble inbetween. It would be most helpful if any experienced fellow could gather useful info in one single post. I'm talking about url's to saloons, url's to RIO and similar clubs, best agencies and clubs for freebies. Or the best would be pin point on google maps.

As far as I understand, picking up girls (pro's &nsemi pro's) in regular clubs is the best bet? I'm used to the FKK scene in germany and hope for some DFK, BBBJ and licking in Kiev.

I have pretty nice experiences from Mamba, but it's very time consuming to chat and a huge risk that the girl is butt ugly in reality or doesn't show up. I want sex for sure.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

[LilJoey]

I have sex with 2 to 5 beautiful girls every day I am in Kiev. Sadly usually not at the same time. I'm not saying that in itself is repetitive. I'm talking about going to Rio non stop. Like I mentioned before, even was I was going to Rio a lot in 2006-2007 ($200) it was on a wall balanced diet of serial dating, night club semi pros and RP pros.

It's Kyiv! There are hot girls all over the place and all you guys talk about is Rio, Rio, Rio, a small strip club with mostly average girls!

Considering the talent of Kyiv as a whole comparing Rio to McD is accurate but I'd be willing to push it to TGI Fridays.

Up to 5 girls a day for all the days you are in Kiev is quite impressive, Cruiser D. My hat is off to you, if you can sustain that pace.

There is nothing average about the girls I have selected for take out from Rio. I ignore the average looking Rio girls as do most guys.

While it is true that hot girls are all over the place in Kiev, those girls are mostly not Working Girls, so it is not true that a typical monger has any reasonably high likelihod of bedding them the very night he sees them.

That's why guys who want the hot girl in the bed THAT night need to seek out the WG's, like those at a venue like Rio, or in its day, the River Palace, or mamba. Ru and other websites.

There's nothing intrinsically better about the "method" itself of ordering girls off a website like mamba versus finding them on a river boat or a strip club. What's the difference? I don't get the negativity about the method. The point should be where and how to get the hottest pussy for the lowest price.

Thus far my experience has been that the more average girls are coming from mamba, and I find much hotter girls at Rio. Those are the facts Of my experience. Believe me, because of the price differential I truly wish that truth were reversed. Yet I'll keep trying with mamba to see if I can Get better results than girls of 6 or 7 quality level.

[Ronaldinjo]

Vladislava has jet black medium length hair and a very pretty face with the bluest, most amazing eyes, the kind of face that I could look at all day long and never get tired of seeing. Her breasts are enhanced, but to very sexy effect. She is slender and not wide-hipped like I usually prefer. But her tiny ass is so nicely shaped, it just called to me to enter her from behind when she was eating out Leela who was giving an operatic concert at the time. Vladislava has great presence and carries herself well. She is a conscientious pleaser, and an unabashed screamer. In my book, she is very hot stuff. Dynamite, in fact. And together with Leela, a true Slavic beauty with a smoking hot beautiful sexy shape, the two of these bisexual felines, will take your breath away. They are good friends and like each other and work well together. Lucky, lucky is the guy who finds himself in a sandwich with these two sex stars, entangled in a fucking, licking, screaming extravaganza. If you dare, just make sure you can outlast them, so you can score a couple of orgasms for each of them before you come. You won't regret the show that such an effort will produce.

There. You pulled it out of me, Ronaldinjo. In advance of my report. Are you happy now?

In retrospect the beautiful hours spent with Katya on Friday night (she finally allowed me normal DATY) when I first came to town, and Anita on Saturday night, Sophia on Sunday, all three very beautiful, sexy girls, whose appearance I have adequately described in my recent post in response to your questions, was just a prelude to Monday night's introduction to the sexual delights of Leela, and Tuesday night's awesome duo with Leela and her friend Vladislava.

At this point, the Leela and Vladislava duo adventure, is up there with my ATF experiences ranking together with the other dynamic duo in my Kiev sex life, the very cute and sexy Ada, together with the truly beautiful princess, Rosa (who has since retired) about which I have previously reported.

Of additional note was a freebie date on Tuesday afternoon with former Asia of Rio who retired last year, and who is now too involved with a boyfriend for me to get anywhere with her short term. But she still wants contact with me, so I will let it play out and see. She has got the best body and ass I've seen on any Rio dancer. I squirm with desire when I see how good her ass looks in jeans. It's true torture that I can't just have her.

Lastly there was the mamba girl I selected to meet with on Monday afternoon, Eva, about whom I've posted above.

Now my sights are set on FKK-land and my upcoming visit to Vienna Goldentime on April 18 to spend some quality time with Joanna, an amazing, perfect bodied Cover Girl type whose story I posted about previously. I will then head to Berlin for the night and possibly hit Artemis, and then I will be in Frankfurt's FKK Oase and Palace for weekend of April 20. 22, and lastly an overnight in London on April 22.

But I won't stop thinking about the great Kiev girls I enjoyed at the beginning of April for a very long time.

Happy Mongering.

LJ

Dear Lyljoey,

I'm happy that you had great time in Kiev, you are real Kievman for us with great advices and good heart. Not like most (not all) mongers here that write mostly bullshit, complaining, writing about beauties from mamba and streets, but actually don't disclose us how and what to do appropriatelly, don't disclose us hot mamba girls. I'm happy with your report, but regret now that pulled it early from you beacause I'm used for your chronologic and informative report. So will be happy if you write all your great Kiev expirience chronologically day by day as you used before. So, if you can write it for us, if you can't, never mind.

[LilJoey]

Do you need to wait until after midnight for the talent to arrive?

Thanks again for all of you who have helped me plan this trip for my friend.

Dave

Dave, this has been posted many times before. You're not reading the thread adequately. The club opens at 8pm and closes at 5am. Take out dates are 3hrs minimum and many girls want to return to the club before 5am closing, so waiting to take a girl out until after 2am could result in her saying she can only stay with you until shortly before 5am and you don't get the full three hours, or she could say it's late and not enough time to go out and to come back the next night. Some girls will agree to stay with you after 5am, but many have university and other things during the day and they must get some sleep in the morning. Also you must bear in mind that finding a girl for take out who is the best looking and most likely to give you GFE service requires a process which I have adequately described in prior posts that will take time, and then the girl has to agree to accept your invitation, and if she doesn't then it's back to the drawing board.

Therefore, in light of the foregoing factors, you need to be in a position to take the girl out sometime prior to 2am. In order to view the line ups in as many of the three different bars that you wish to, have conversation with and maybe private dances with the girls you wish to, and narrow down your choices to a girl who there is chemistry with who accepts your invitation, you need to allow sufficient time at the club. Your first forays at the club will be occupied with learning what's available in the line ups, since of late there has been continuing change seen. It's best to give yourself more time, rather than less time. Also, if you want to take advantage of the lower per hour cost of an all night date, the earlier you take a girl out the more hours you get together with her until shortly before 5am.

So all things considered, if your intention for that evening is to take out a very hot girl from Rio, you should get to the club between 8pm opening time and 9:30 or at latest 10pm. Even an earlier 3 hour date is better from the point of view of being in better condition for sex and not tired and exhausted, both you and the girl.

If you are not goal oriented toward taking out a hottie that night, and just want to check out the club, then it doesn't matter, and go when you want.

LJ

[Cruiser D]

I have sex with 2 to 5 beautiful girls every day I am in Kiev. Sadly usually not at the same time. I'm not saying that in itself is repetitive. I'm talking about going to Rio non stop. Like I mentioned before, even was I was going to Rio a lot in 2006-2007 ($200) it was on a wall balanced diet of serial dating, night club semi pros and RP pros.

It's Kyiv! There are hot girls all over the place and all you guys talk about is Rio, Rio, Rio, a small strip club with mostly average girls!

Considering the talent of Kyiv as a whole comparing Rio to McD is accurate but I'd be willing to push it to TGI Fridays.

While having sex with very beautiful girls three or four nights in a row during a Kiev visit, is admittedly repetitive, I don't think most guys would feel it's monotonous. I don't think McD is the right level of comparison. The more accurate comparison would be to eating in upscale very good restaurants for a few days in a row during a vacation.